Madeleine McCann: More Evidence, Tony Parsons Knows And Claims
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DAILY MAIL: “McCanns win right to see key evidence about Madeleine’s disappearance held by police”
The parents of Madeleine McCann today won the right to see key documents held by police relating to her disappearance.
Won?
The McCanns had planned to take Leicestershire Police to the High Court but no case was heard as the force agreed to give them access to 81 pieces of information gathered as part of the investigation.
Progress? Elsewhere, in the same online article:
The couple, who are both 40, are not expected to attend today’s hearing in London before Mrs Justice Hogg…The hearing is scheduled to take place in the High Court’s family division, although it will be held in open court.
Such is the news.
DAILY MIRROR: “Portuguese police to rule out Madeleine McCann abduction theory”
Portuguese police have decided that Madeleine McCann could not have been abducted, it was claimed yesterday.
Claimed.
They believe the youngster died in her family’s rented holiday flat in Praia da Luz.
Believe.
The newspaper Correio da Manha said a 50-page report, handed to prosecutors last week, reveals “new and strong doubts” about Gerry and Kate McCanns’ claim that their daughter was snatched.
So says a report about a report in a Portuguese newspaper.
TONY PARSONS: A case of cruelty
It happens less and less these days, simply because the story of Madeleine McCann is slipping from the news.
But every time that little girl’s face appears on the TV screen, our five-year-old daughter looks up and says exactly the same five words: “Did they find Madeleine yet?”
That little girl, the one who disappeared.
Somebody knows something. Almost certainly more than one person knows something. It’s not enough to shrug and walk away.
The Mirror’s Lori Campbell didn’t shrug.
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July 8th, 2008 at 12:49 am
464
SpongeBob Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 12:32 am
549 Chenier
I ponder about that person - whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.’
I commented earlier today that the precise wording does not exclude the involvement of one of her parents; indeed, it is perfectly possible to construe that sentence as suggesting that Madeleine did not feel secure with her parents. As in, ‘why didn’t you come to us when we were crying?’
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I am commenting on that phrase - so while I can see you taking what you say from other areas of the text, but from that one; from that paragraph, I cannot read that. How so?
On the releasing of files aspect, I agree that it is far from a success for the parents, and had wondered beforehand why they would take such an action. It is there to contemplate.. Desperation perhaps, which will be construed in a completely different ways by the pro and the anti camp
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The ‘and’ is the problem; construction always requires precision and that ‘and’ is enough to suggest the existence of 2 groups of people.
Justice Hogg had a real problem, apart from the Attorney General glaring at her.
If she accepts the new and revised edition promulgated by the McCanns at Strasbourg, of there being one criminal as opposed to a gang of kidnappers working to fill an order, then the chances of Madeleine being alive are more or less non-existent.
I think she was trying to square the circle, and avoid mentioning that fact in her judgement.
As for the McCanns trying to get their hands on the files, the only thing we know is that the police, the Attorney General and SOCA don’t want them to.
They regard it as contrary to the public interest, and since I am a member of that public I’m not going to second guess them…
July 8th, 2008 at 12:42 am
470
Ta!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:42 am
Nite nite Fair
And I’ll keep my fingers crossed for your computer too
July 8th, 2008 at 12:41 am
On that note I’m off!
Goodnight all. Hope Polly (Computer!) is feeling better tomorrow!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:37 am
Hang in there, Jo.
Some of these posters have blinders when it comes to their own xenophobia.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:36 am
463
Fair
I won’t answer any questions, unless my lawyer is present!
I like Pooh
July 8th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Sky now saying that the Mc’s wanted more from the files. But have compromised.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:35 am
461
chenier
[edited]
“But I’m glad I went, since that was history in the making; I think unprecedented.”
Yes, I agree. I’ve read what you wrote about that. But I can’t help wondering what would have happened if the police hadn’t offered to hand them the 81 leads …..
This looks like a win-win situation.
Leads from the ‘early days’ [in case she really was abducted] could have been important [not sure if they still are after an year]. I think they trust LP but they’re not sure or even doubt about the Portuguese teams efforts to follow them up. Did they explain why or how these leads could help them?
And the LP didn’t offend their Portuguese collegues by disclosing information that’s part of the ’secrecy’ thing. Which makes me wonder if they’re going to release more information if the secrecy period ends? Did anybody say anything about that?
July 8th, 2008 at 12:32 am
549 Chenier
I ponder about that person - whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.’
I commented earlier today that the precise wording does not exclude the involvement of one of her parents; indeed, it is perfectly possible to construe that sentence as suggesting that Madeleine did not feel secure with her parents. As in, ‘why didn’t you come to us when we were crying?’
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I am commenting on that phrase - so while I can see you taking what you say from other areas of the text, but from that one; from that paragraph, I cannot read that. How so?
On the releasing of files aspect, I agree that it is far from a success for the parents, and had wondered beforehand why they would take such an action. It is there to contemplate.. Desperation perhaps, which will be construed in a completely different ways by the pro and the anti camp
July 8th, 2008 at 12:28 am
462
I’m saying nothing!
”I’m looking down Pooh”!!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am
460
Fair
You ‘forgot’ to mention being arrested and beaten and living in India [or somewhere like that] to study buddhisme. Seems someone hasn’t learned much of the buddhists….
But hé! who cares, I’m a mere stupid Dutch citizen
July 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am
445
Totje Says:
July 7th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
And look what I’ve missed.
Chenier on high heels to the Court. With an ironed shirt and a jacket on. So I bet she only ironed the front of the shirt…
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How well you know me!
But I’m glad I went, since that was history in the making; I think unprecedented.
And it’s always fun watching a lawyer who thought he had been really clever having to climb down in front of the pitiless gaze of 3 other leading Counsel…
I shall keep my fingers crossed for your laptop
July 8th, 2008 at 12:20 am
452 Totje
It really doesn’t matter. Some have memories (& then get accused of compiling files!) & remember the mistakes others make.
But perhaps nannies do serious government work too? And get whipped over to war torn countries at the drop of a hat. I dunno! I am a mere stupid British citizen.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:18 am
441
SpongeBob Says:
July 7th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
427 Chenier
Sometimes a good rag, agreed. Can be rather dry. But they have journalists who do occasionally investigate, rather than regurgitating PA feeds day after day
Still, mentioned the taking of M from her parents
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“I ponder about that person - whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.’
I commented earlier today that the precise wording does not exclude the involvement of one of her parents; indeed, it is perfectly possible to construe that sentence as suggesting that Madeleine did not feel secure with her parents. As in, ‘why didn’t you come to us when we were crying?’
More importantly the fact remains that Justice Hogg has not read all 11,000 items of information in the Leicestershire police files. In fact, Justice Hogg has not read any of them. Which means that her capacity to judge whether the Mccanns may have been involved in the disappearance of their daughter is extremely limited.
The only evidence she has is her personal impressions; those are not the stuff of sound, evidence-based decisions.
It is, as far as I know, unprecedented for a Judge in the Family Courts to give a judgement in open court in a case involving a minor.
On the other hand, as far as I know, SOCA and the Attorney General have never previously had to intervene to assist a police force in compelling a Judge to vary an order which she had previously made as being contrary to the public interest.
And the public interest has to be upheld in public…
July 8th, 2008 at 12:16 am
ooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh Gandy!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:14 am
448
Fair
Thanks for the correction.
It matters not. It amounts to the same.
The bewigged thing tickled me….as I’m sure they have the Judges for many years.. better tickled than controlled eh?
July 8th, 2008 at 12:14 am
450
MrsT
Sorry, I was wrong then. I allways find it hard to see if it’s a girl or a boy on a picture.
MY mrT has made arrangements that I have to go and visit the newborns of the members of his team. He says parents expect him to say the baby is beautiful and he thinks most baby’s are ugly!
That’s what he says, but I’m sure he’s afraid he has to hold them or cuddle them or make noices like ‘cootchycootchycoo’ and pull faces at them
July 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Thank you Fair.
There are some photos in the Forum.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Ah congrats Mrs T. Lovely news! Must have missed it as we’ve been away visting ours this weekend!
(Tried to sneek her in the car with us but it didn’t work!)
Congrats to the parents too.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:10 am
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m28obC-jzy0
July 8th, 2008 at 12:08 am
448
Hi Fair
Jo wrote she’s Swiss/French living in Spain……
We can’t be sure about anything anybody posts about themselves, can we?
[I should have saved that post of C&C about the nanny]
July 8th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Hi Totje
Think my pc is gonna give up again any moment! Seems to be just running off the battery. But knowing diddly squat about computers I may be wrong! Glad you (hopefully) got yours fixed.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Totje !!!!!
A gorgeous baby boy
July 8th, 2008 at 12:04 am
Hi mrs T
Congrats on the grandchild [sorry, I'm not sure if I remember correctly it's a girl?].
Nice piccie though!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:03 am
443 SpongeBob
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Jo is the swiss/French. living in Spain. (& whatever you said
Marie is French. Living in France. (very pleasant person)
July 8th, 2008 at 12:01 am
435
jass
Oh, dear…and all that Jass!!!
You are nasty and just appear to interrupt discussion. I am trying to finish my novel ! Go away unless you wish to contribute.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Hiya Totje
July 7th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
And look what I’ve missed.
Chenier on high heels to the Court. With an ironed shirt and a jacket on. So I bet she only ironed the front of the shirt
And [finally] the ranting-xenophobic-multi-blogposter got exposed?
And the McC’s got access to information they could have had months ago were it not that their sollicitors didn’t make notes? Silly ….
Does anybody know about the other case [the one behind closed doors]?
Was it ‘our’ family McC?
But alas, no matter how much I would like to hope Madeleine is still alive and well [may be even adopted by a childless rich couple] I fear chances are small….
July 7th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Hip hip hoorah!!!! [don't know how to spell that]
Three cheers for me! I need fireworks and a bunch of dancing thingy’s. Duncaaaaaaaannnnnn, pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssse?!
[Here you are then - duncan]
After over a week of frustration, threats to kill the graphics card manufacturer, the laptop manufacturer, the repairman, the laptop seller, Bill Gates as well as Agent Orange [!!!] I’m back. I don’t know for how long though, because I still have to do some updates and it seems they’ve caused all the trouble [after the repair man installed a new graphics card].
July 7th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Fair
Marie I believe was Swiss /French. This is the person I remember as being Swiss/French.
Not the English/British/Catholic/Monarchy/English Legal system/McCann hating Jo. That’s all