Madeleine McCann: Justice Hogg Says, Portugal Reacts And No Evidence
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY STAR: “COPS GIVE UP MADDIE DOSSIERS!”
POLICE yesterday agreed to show Madeleine McCann’s parents 81 witness statements. The couple’s detectives will study the confidential documents and re-interview the witnesses.
And what have we learned so far, after 14 months of inbestigating – other thn a child is missing?
Her GP mum Kate and heart consultant dad Gerry, both 40.
Says High Court Judge Mrs Justice Hogg: At the court in London, the judge said:
“There is, of course, one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine and where she may be found.
“I ponder about that person – whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.
“I entreat that person, whoever they may be, to show mercy and compassion and come forward now and tell us where Madeleine is to be found.”
DAILY MAIL: “Judge’s impassioned plea to Madeleine abductor: ‘Show mercy’”
The judge’s unequivocal support for the McCanns is likely to attract criticism in Portugal, where there has been resentment over perceived interference in the case by the British Government.
Likely? The Mail offers no evidence of any criticism.
THE GUARDIAN: “Police disclose possible leads to McCanns”
So let’s review the facts:
The couple’s counsel, Tim Scott QC, told the judge yesterday there was no proof that Madeleine was alive, “but there is not a scrap of evidence that she is not”.
Madeleine McCann: The no news news story
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July 9th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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willo Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Cheryl you are funny. Why would they admit to that? How would they know that?
Pointless waste of time to prove nothing. Still sums you up I suppose.
Are you suggesting in your reply the McCanns have arrogant drunkard genes? Seemed obvious to most anyway but good sleuthing.
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The FBI keeps statistics, Willo.
I wouldn’t say the McCanns necessarily ‘have arrogant drunkard genes’, I haven’t noticed any arrogance about them in what has been shown on TV and pics in newspapers; but did note like the majority over there they do enjoy drinking as a past time since it seems they have a child missing and it is said they left her and her siblings alone for a night of dining and drinking! But that is not really a fair statement to make just about them as what I’ve read on here in past the Brits have been known to leave their children in hotel rooms alone while they sit in the pubs below. I have nothing against people who drink, Willo, I find it interesting to observe them - some become quite funny and happy when drinking and others become real assholes.
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And some people don’t require drink to make them assholes
[Duncanr]
July 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am
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coco
oi! what about my % ?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Guys …….. If you buy the Clan dolls as a set you get a much bigger Window of Opprtunity!
If you just buy the KMc doll you get quite a small one.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Coco
New thread
Could you send me a doll or shall I just ask M3 to send me one?without stuffing of course,I am allergic to prawns jajajajaja
July 9th, 2008 at 9:21 am
JO! lol. If you buy the full set of Clan dolls you get TWO Cuddle cats absoluetly free!
Just in case one’s in the wash and there’s a photo-shoot.
Did you get the Philly doll? Mine looks really scary in real-life.
The Jon Corner doll comes with a selection of Cuddle-Cats too!
July 9th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Before I go, I would just like to say Jass that you are numero uno………………fukwit windylickin nomark, but that apart you are an all round arsehole……..TTFN.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:12 am
At all times jurisdiction was assumed by the Court because, there being no evidence to the contrary, it
is presumed Madeleine is alive.
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Now Chenny spin that to say the opposite of it what it means. The sainted one is rather direct in that statement, but no doubt you will conclude that she is some amatuer, who you have every right to second guess………..tish, tosh and posh with a large amount of pish, have a nice day.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IlX9lCO8jv0
July 9th, 2008 at 9:02 am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1033510/Brussels-throws-McCanns-appeal-European-missing-child-alert-system.html
“Kate and Gerry McCann’s campaign for an alert system for missing children across Europe will not be adopted by the EU, ministers said yesterday”
and then……
‘This announcement is very encouraging as it underlines the fact that there is a Europe-wide desire for things to improve.’
Wot?
I think the DM needs a holidays….a loooooog one
July 9th, 2008 at 8:56 am
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Ferdinand Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 8:53 am
548 jo:
Jo, have you already kind of a plan B drawn up for the day Madeleine will be turn up alive?
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I must flaty say I have not thought about it,no… do you reckon,I should then?
I could give you a kind of of plan C for the mccanns,yes,if you insist
July 9th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Coco
Do you think the mccanns are going to give away special scented cuddle cats to people who are got on their black list?(the ones they are going to harrass and presecute to have info from?)
Do you think Hogg is going to have one as well when …..I”d rather shut up…..
July 9th, 2008 at 8:53 am
548 jo:
Jo, have you already kind of a plan B drawn up for the day Madeleine will be turn up alive?
July 9th, 2008 at 8:49 am
546
coco
I”ve got a cuddle cat from marocco just in case
July 9th, 2008 at 8:46 am
All seems to go wrong
Lately, everything seems to go wrong for the McCann couple. Having enjoyed when Maddie disappeared, a period of fame and glory in which they looked happy, were declared arguidos on the basis of the evidence, its setbacks and contradictions.
When they tried to promote the Amber Alert in Europe despite having “busied” themselves in Parliament and devoted themselves to gather signatures as new champions of child safety, it is obvious now that the Union is not in for the task.
When they decidedly go to court reclaiming 100% of the incriminating dossier which is under secret investigation, and demanding the British police and bypassing the PJ and the Attorney General of the Republic of Portugal, they withdraw with 81/11.000 of documents
The mccanns dont believe in the PJ,they dont believe in dogs,they dont believe in DNA,they dont believe in their own versions of the facts…..and us who are just waiting justice for the disappeared child,we do not believe them either…..
And to make matters worse, the summary of secrecy will be shortly lifted in Portugal
http://www.esplendordelaforma.blogspot.com/
July 9th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Have a good day everyone. Work calls. May look in later on.
(Just explaining why I won’t be around for a while.)
July 9th, 2008 at 8:45 am
BabyJane! lol. She does! She does! Just like the therapists and counsellors have told the real KMcC to do. To help her bite her tongue and keep her mouth moist to stop panic attacks.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I am really pissed off now coz my JT doll is broken! Every time I pull the string at the back it comes out with a different story every time.
I am going to play with my Clarrie doll whilst online.
He has got a hairy grey chest! And a wrinkled testicle bag to match his hang-dog face expressions. Very sexy!
July 9th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Gandolf
Thanks for the full text. I managed to find it late last night and it makes interesting reading.
I think the full reading removes the suggestion that JH was “forced”, in some ignominious way, to amend her first order made in the early days of the investigation.
The legal questions were complex, as a full reading of Scott’s address reminds us, and it was always likely that the police would NOT wish either to damage their working relationship with the Portuguese police or to appear to interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation undertaken by another country. Perfectly reasonable in my view. However, the outcome of any legal wrangle, had the Mcs continued with their original case, just may not have been 100% clear. And even if, in the event of the Mcs continuing with the original application, the judge had still removed the police from the list of those obliged by the order to disclose information, she could still have urged the police to disclose voluntarily anything they could disclose without damaging the ongoing investigation etc. etc.
BTW, I think it is unlikely that Justice Hogg will have been unaware of the legal difficulties, given that every tuppenny ha’penny solicitor and barrister I know knew this and pointed it out as an obvious, though not certain, barrier to the Mcs’ application!!!!!! The suggestion that JH was shocked or surprised by any of this into ignominious defeat is amusing, to say the least. She is an experienced judge, for one one thing. For another, it is hardly likely that, in (possibly) the most high-profile case she is ever likely to be associated with, she did not do her homework to discover what everyone else already knew!
I was extremely interested to see how the matter would be resolved. In the event, the Leicestershire police understood the parents’ desire to have as much information as possible (the police’s own QC says so) and appeared to share their aim of “leaving no stone unturned” and therefore agreed to a compromise.
CM might well be delighted.
First of all, they could well have met an outright refusal. The Mcs could have come away with nothing at all. Many people (me included) thought that a very likely outcome.
Secondly, the judge made her remarkable comments in support of the McCanns in a situation where she had no need to do so. This says nothing about the correctness or otherwise of her opinions; but she did make them clear. In doing so, she has inevitably provided a measure of support and consolation for the McCanns. Whether or not she will later regret that is another matter.
Scott also referred to the fact that they hope that their arguido status will be removed soon. He gives this as a further reason for their withdrawing their application. This may or may not be true. It may be that they simply thought the hearing was likely to go against them anyway and were grateful for the compromise offered. They do have good legal advice, a fact worth remembering!
What Scott certainly does do, very clearly, is express their gratitude to the police for their help and support in the search for Madeleine. They wished that gratitude to be expressed through him.
It appears to me that Monday produced a very reasonable compromise all round, that Madeleine’s needs were paramount in everyone’s minds, thank God, but her parents’ anguish was not forgotten either.
Details in McCannfiles now, taken together with the text supplied by Gandolf. I could give full quotations but it would take up too much space.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:41 am
coco!
Can the KMcC doll click her tongue also?
July 9th, 2008 at 8:38 am
The Clarence one has been quick to point out that Tony Bennet has set up a fund hasn’t he!
I laughed when he said that TB hadn’t sought permission! What a fucking Knob-Head.
‘Hello Clan! Can we have your permission to hopefully get you put behind bars?’ lol
Good news is - I have just got the full set of Clan dolls!
The KMcC doll comes with an IVF kit! And a death-scented key-fob!
The GmC doll has got something wrong with it’s leg and when you pull the string in it’s back it says, ‘ I can’t play tennis today because I have a leg-injury! But next week I will be running up a mountain every morning!’ It also says, ‘Where’s my big blue tennis bag?’ and ‘where the fuck have I put my wallet?’
The Frilly Philly one is wearing a horrible frock and has swollen ankles and says all sorts of daft things.
The RM and ROB dolls are almost identical.
The Clan car is plastic but the doors open and it has a baby-seat and the boot has all kinds of rubbish in it and even little sachets of cadaver fluids so you can make your own dna samples.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Duncan
I open both tabs simutaneously !
Anorak will always be in my heart.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:31 am
535 - brandon flours
Morning, BF
Would like to think you came on Anorak because of the scintillating company, high standard of debate, and humour rather than because you can’t get on to 3As
July 9th, 2008 at 8:30 am
jo
no indeed!
July 9th, 2008 at 8:28 am
534
brandon
TB might not need to take action
July 9th, 2008 at 8:26 am
hi baby jane
so its just myself then
July 9th, 2008 at 8:24 am
535
No.
Morning, brandon.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:23 am
are the 3As down ?
July 9th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Well done mr Bennett !!!
A timely blow for the buggers !!
July 9th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Willo
July 9th, 2008 at 7:53 am
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Ferdinand Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 7:37 am
I mean “They even form a queue…”
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I know some who are going “to form a queue….”
yes, I do agree with you
“What is your point? Have you a problem with the well known British attitude of politeness and good manners?”
jajajajajaja…GOOD morning by the way…talking about good manners
July 9th, 2008 at 7:37 am
I mean “They even form a queue…”
July 9th, 2008 at 7:36 am
497 Cheryl Says:
” I hear the murderer has been found. Turned himself, didn’t he? Now before I say anything else here is the link to the most interesting story of your police and their quick reaction when that man turned himself in at a police station. ” (Man-burns-gives-French-student-murders-told-police-station-Wait-queue)
What is your point? Have you a problem with the well known British attitude of politeness and good manners? Then even form a queue at bus stops, let alone in a police office.