Madeleine McCann: The Tabloid Dog Pack, Kate McCann’s Diary And Shannon Matthews
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann, Gerry McCann and Robert Murat
PRESS GAZETTE: “Furious lawyer attacks tabloids’ ‘pack-dog’ mentality over stories”
Read all about it in the Star, Sun, Mirror etc.
Louis Charalambous represented Robert Murat in his libel action against eleven tabloid newspapers. Two other claimants in the same case, Sergey Malinka and Michaela Walczuch, were awarded apologies and a “substantial six-figure settlement”.
Charalambous tells the Press Gazette:
“Having to capitulate, apologise and pay up is not the end of it. The trust in those titles ebbs away among their combined readership of 15 million. In particular, readers of The Sun, Mirror, Express and Star were told lie after lie about my clients. It brings into question how much more of their paper’s news coverage they can rely on…
“There was a pack-dog mentality here and my clients and their families were the prey. The children of Robert and Michaela, little girls, one not much older than Madeleine, were hounded and had to go in and out of their homes with coats over their heads.
“I’d like to invite the editors of the worst of these titles to have tea and cake with them and explain why they let their journalists and photographers harass them. They are now recovering but the effects are long-lasting.”
Tea with lawyers? Take care. Bring a tape recorder and a copy of the invitation. Leave wallet at home. But what about the story, the single-thread story? What about our Maddy?
“Journalistically this was a story without legs: child goes missing, no idea of her fate and foreign coppers not leaking to their trusted hacks in the time-honoured way. Reporters then developed lines of the story and ‘creatively’ adopted the rubbish coming out of the Portuguese tabloid press.”
Case closed. What what about Murat?
Max Clifford, no longer representing Murat, says:
“If you think that the McCanns got £500,000 from one newspaper group, he went after 11 newspapers – and they were far more vicious to him than they were to the McCanns.”
Maybe Murat wasn’t after the money, just closure? Maybe the papers got of lightly?
“If you want people to believe you are innocent you can forget about it. He and his family are going to have to live with this for the rest of their lives.”
So says a professional PR not in the least bit bitter about being dropped by Murat.
THE SUN: “Kate’s Maddie diaries leaked”
EXCERPTS from Kate McCann’s diary covering the first agonising weeks after daughter Maddie vanished have emerged.
Did you see them? In case you didn’t, here they are:
They show that the desperate mum left messages asking PM Gordon Brown to “increase political pressure” to aid the search. After he phoned 40-year-old Kate and husband Gerry, she noted that Mr Brown was “nice and supportive” — but that she “felt a bit emotional after”.
DAILY MIRROR: “Kate and Gerry McCann: Portuguese cops’ hunt for Maddie ‘pathetic’”
Portuguese police knocked on just 443 doors in the failed hunt for missing Madeleine McCann.
That a lot?
There are 7,000 homes in Praia da Luz…
No door unknocked…
In stark contrast, British police probing the disappearance of Shannon Matthews earlier this year knocked on 5,000 doors and searched 2,000 houses. Nine-year-old Shannon was found in 24 days, whereas Portuguese police have stopped looking for Madeleine after 14 months.
But the police door knocking wasn’t what found Shannon Matthews. The rozzers responded to a tip off from a neighbour of one Paul Donovan.
Also, Shannon Matthews’ mother, Karen Matthews, is under arrest for her alleged part in her daughters’ disappearance. Kate McCann is innocent. So what do the two matters have in common? Or is this Tabloid Bingo?
A friend of the McCanns said: “The 443 doors would barely cover 500 yards from the apartment where Madeleine was taken. That is shocking and unacceptable.”
Is it?
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July 29th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Stig
Have you read the Expresso article?
Anyone got a good translation?
Any Portuguese speakers willing to translate it even though it condemns Amaral totally?!
m andA
unfortunately no Portuguese speakers on site, try a few other publications , they may have an English version
July 29th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Anyone read the opinon article in the Expresso by the editor (?) Henrique Monteiro?
Very interesting to get a Portuguese view. He’s obviously deeply ashamed of Amaral and the view of Portuguese justice which he is giving with his book. I can only understand fully some snatches and have only got the usual garbled translation as yet! He does compare Amaral with Lewis carroll’s Queen whose system is to cut off people’s heads first and THEN have the trial!
He says that the difference between a civilised society and barabarism is the need for evidence before people are charged. He hopes Amaral will be last of the barabarians in the Portuguese police.
Perhaps jo will provide us with a full translation? (Or maybe not!)
I’ll try to get a proper translation as soon as possible.
Encouraging to people who believe the Portuguese AG was honest to see that some serious Portuguese commentary on the matter is condemning the conspiracy theories as just that.
Mand A
We have to be very careful with translation, there have been quite a few very recently which need pulling due to libels. If you do get hold of one , could you link to it, rather than paste and copy
July 29th, 2008 at 12:08 am
The Real Stig Says:
July 28th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
A medical degree usually involves the following subjects: edit
I don’t see any mention of forensics or crime scene preservation.
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Whilst I am fascinated by your list neither I, nor the offspring, have the faintest idea what ‘chaperone-clinical’ means.
Do satisfy our curiosity, please.
But please also note that your list does seem a very long way out of date; try this rather more modern description of what medical training is all about:
‘Throughout its modern history the medical school has enjoyed a reputation for innovation in medical education. Since 1962, the MBBS curriculum has been gradually developed from a traditional discipline-based design to a fully integrated and outcomes based course that bridges the pre-clinical and clinical divide.’
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“Nowadays doctors not only have to practise evidence based medicine”
“Evidence-based medicine is the conscientious, explicit and judicious use of current best evidence in making decisions about the care of individual patients”
Apart from the word ‘evidence’, there is no correlation between this and an acute awareness of what is involved or required to preserve a crime scene.
There is no correlation, no common ground in procedures, methods, intent or methodology. There is not the slightest reason to suppose that the practice of ‘Evidence-based medicine’ should convey to the practitioner any insight or awareness of the requirements for forensic investigations.
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I think you will find that even the most blundering of medical students has grasped, by the time they sit their Finals, that contaminated samples will be met with strong words from the path labs, not least because they get seriously pissed off with having their time, and funds, wasted.
As almost every schoolboy knows nowadays, labs, if presented with the right samples, can tell you what the patient ate for breakfast last Tuesday.
Admittedly, the offspring is presently working in the high-tech medical capital of the world, where you really can do a million dollar work-up without trying very hard, but we have labs in England too.
And they are just as stroppy about what is provided to them as the ones in New York. It really is nonsense to suggest that doctors could forget what has been so thoroughly drummed into them from the beginning of their training.
Of course, if the McCanns said that they didn’t consider abduction till a much later point in time then their behaviour would make more sense. But they insist that they knew from the very outset that Madeleine had been abducted…
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Turn the argument around - do you think a crime scene investigator would know what Evidence-based medicine was and what would be required to carry it out?
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Of course not. Crime scene investigators are not highly trained specialists; they are the equivalent of lab technicians, not consultant pathologists, or consultant microbiologists. You are confusing tv programmes with reality…
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“they also have to accept the fact that prosecutions of doctors for manslaughter have dramatically increased in recent years. Medics nowadays are only too well aware of the way criminal proceedings work.”
Illogical reasoning - The only way Doctors would have a greater awareness of crime scene investigation from an awareness of their colleagues being investigated for manslaughter, is if their colleagues were physically attacking and killing the victims with violence, resulting in ‘crime scenes’ populated with physical forensic evidence
The manslaughter investigations of doctors do not generally involve the crime scene forensics one sees on TV. It involves written records, dosages recorded on charts, the number and nature of tests ordered - not fingerprints on cigarette butts found in foliage outside a bedroom window or a unique composition of soil found in the sole of a Dr’s shoe, which could only come from one particular quarry in the vicinity.
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I am sorry to have to break the news to you, but all medical procedures involve what would otherwise be assault were it not for the doctor/patient relationship. Doctors attack patients every day, perfectly properly. Sometimes it is improper, and the patient dies.
There may well be physical evidence; the wrong needle, the wrong catheter or whatever. Doctors are keenly aware of what is involved in current cases, not least because their insurers tell them all about it.
Incidentally, I’m not sure where you derive the cigarette butts or soil from; I’m not aware of a case in England which has been solved by such recondite methods. Murder or manslaughter trials nowadays seem to involve mobile phone records and blood, with side helpings of DNA.
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“The offspring tells me, and I see no reason to doubt her, that every doctor or medical student either knows, or knows of, a doctor being investigated by the police for manslaughter.
That fact is reflected in their training”
Show me a reference where this ‘training’ has any relevance or applicability to crime scene forensics.
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Well, if you have read this far you should be aware that Doctors are rather more highly trained than the lab technicians who process crime scenes. Or are you still proceeding on the basis that CSI is an accurate reflection of reality?
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“just as the need to avoid panic in highly stressful situations is reflected in their training. It is a conditioned reflex which is deeply ingrained; running around like a chicken with its head cut off really isn’t a desirable quality in a medic. People who don’t acquire that reflex are weeded out.”
If you think treating an anonymous accident victim in the Emergency Dept. of a hospital would, or should, illicit the same responses from a Doctor as walking into an apartment and finding their own child missing, with them thinking they had been kidnapped, then I think you are naive. Doctors are humans first, Doctors second.
Doctors are not trained to handle that sort of thing, and I doubt you could train anyone to handle such a situation in a calm efficient manner.
Family is different.
Doctors are warned against and actively discouraged from treating family members precisely because it is acknowledged they can not be expected to be unemotional, detached and unbiased.
Do you think the Police would allow a detecteve to investigate the murder of their own child?’
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I do object to your suggestion that I am naive. After all, the McCanns claim that they were naive in believing that it was perfectly safe to leave small children with no-one to care for them; I really would not wish to be associated with them.
As for the running around like a headless chicken bit, whilst I realise that doctors are only human, there are plenty of non-medically trained parents who respond at a time of crisis with great coolness of mind, and snatch triumph out of the jaws of defeat. One of the posters on this blog did so, in a serious accident involving their child. Medics should be able to do just as well…
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“And as I noted in the part of my post which you omitted, there is no conceivable justification for a doctor not to be aware that leaving small children alone with no-one to care for them is very dangerous; as the Cemach report ‘Why Children Die’ notes:
‘A critical lapse in parental supervision was a recurrent feature in accidental and traumatic child death in the younger age groups.’
Which is why responsible adults don’t leave small children with no-one to care for them.”
This has nothing to do with Doctors being specially trained or equipped to deal rationally with a crime scene involving a family member. It is irrelevant.
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Actually, it seems very relevant. Had they not left their small children with no-one to care for them there would have been no crime scene…
July 28th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
JJ
I wasn’t really serious. I had a very similar experience as a child in Birmingham. About 4 or 5. Out for a walk with my dad who went up a path to post something through someone’s letter box. I stayed by the gate. Unexpectedly the person was at home and came out to have a few words with him. In a trice I was gone. As young as I was, I could see my Dad’s normally ruddy complexion was WHITE when he caught up with me a few streets away and his habitual smile had been replaced with another expression which I didn’t realise until much later had been sheer panic. (Probably fear of my mum as much as anything!)
I don’t think there were fewer bad people around in the 50’s, although little traffic, of course.
Maria i did realise that!
But it scared me to death, I grew up on a Welsh farm, and the city then was awesome.
Oddly I do seem to have developed a good internal direction/navigation system, and have never got lost again.
But i know how it feels, and I just actually think Maddie wandered off, I really don’t see anything more sinister in it than that.
I had a very adventurous Norfolk terrier who had habits, and she was always kept on a lead.
My younger brother used to sleep walk, he was an absolute nightmare for my parents, don’t think they ever had a nights sleep until he reached puberty and it stopped
July 28th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
And on that note, good night!
M and A
AZ talk to Chenier, she was at the Old Bailey that day
July 28th, 2008 at 11:04 pm
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Not if they were constrained by the Portuguese secrecy law.
M and A
Perhaps the case would have been heard in camera then?
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Good question! I think the hearing before LJ Hogg was in open court to the extent of addresses by the barristers and the reading out of the judgement, but no evidence as such was heard in open court. Even then, there were a number of representatives present, and the main purpose of the exercise as I understand it was for the McCanns’ lawyers to get access to the LP files.
Now if the LP were helping the PT police, in an essentially PT case, and given the PT secrecy laws, perhaps the LP’s lawyers advised that certain info should not go before the court.
OF COURSE the secrecy is now lifted, allowing for a further hearing before LJ Hogg possibly with a lot more evidence available, should this be seen to be necessary.
IMO it is necessary given that a presumption of MM being alive is axiomatic to the existence of the Wardship.
July 28th, 2008 at 11:03 pm
JJ
Was anyone charged with neglect?
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No Maria, they were out looking, I was 5, it was the 50’s and daylight.
In addition the police were rung within 10mins of me disappearing
July 28th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Duncan R
Duncan, great story! Glad it ended so well. Your honesty (in this case, about human reactions) should be praised along with your fairness, your kindness to animals, your kindness to posters (same thing really!), your wit, good humour and genuine acceptance of all views here on Anorak.
You ARE the perfect moderator!
(Well, except that, as a nun, I’m obliged to raise my eyebrows at some of the words you use……..I don’t really understand all of them actually…………but at least you scatter the asterisks about!)
July 28th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Mods and Admin
Christine has just lost a posting, this is the second we know of today, if anyone else has had one go adrift can you tell us in the forums? Approx time and date and which thread would help
July 28th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
When I was about 5 I wandered off, and got horribly lost (in Belfast)was not familiar with it at all, and was completely separated from the family for 2 hours.
I was found, by a complete stranger to me, but he recognised my resemblance to my mother and through my tears and panic made me understand he knew who I was, and that I was quite safe. My parents were out looking, as were most of the adult family apart from my grandmother who remained at home. Bobbies on the beat were looking
This was back in the 50’s - no mobiles, just phone boxes at various intervals.
No one had any idea where I had gone, but I was about 3/4 of mile from where Granny lived when I was found. I had gone to a sweet shop near her house, and took a wrong turning coming back
July 28th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Walk in my shoes for a mile…….
You have a head start, and a new pair of shoes.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Elena
“I guess whatever your training, if your child went missing the last thing you would think of would be preserving a crime scene. I would imagine you would run through the place,pull it apart shouting the child’s name and scream for help from those nearby who in turn would, in shock and disbelief run through the place,pull it apart, shouting the child’s name until somebody got their head together and rang the police.”
Spot on. Oh for a modicum of empathy and imagination!
Now I’m not looking for absolution,
Or forgiveness for the things I do.
But before we come to any conclusions,
Try walking in my shoes.
Try walking in my shoes.
You’ll stumble in my footsteps.
Keep the same appointments I’ve kept.
If you try walking in my shoes.
If you try walking in my shoes.
Morality would frown upon,
And decency look down upon,
The scapegoat fate’s made of me.
But I’ll tell you now, my judge and jurors.
Intentions couldn’t have been purer.
My case is easy to see.
I’m not looking for a clearer conscience.
Peace of mind after what I’ve been through.
But before we talk of any repentance,
Try walking in my shoes.
Try walking in my shoes.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Christine says
Well my post got lost then
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Checked the Spam folder and the Mod queue and can’t see any comment of yours in there ??
July 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
In lıght of our endeavour to perform our song for europe, mıght i suggest we swıtch to Euros
July 28th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Saul says
Duncan, ınstead of baskıng here ın adulatıon from posters (ıt will be George 2 thread on here soon).
Clear some space, İve accquıred a job lot of Rakı
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Do I detect a hint of jealousy there?
P.S. Have prepared some posters to promote Raki as a ‘Guest’ drink in Ye Olde Shedde’ Clubhouse bar. Special introductory offer 10 zotyl a shot ?
P.P.S. what ’s the current exchange rate between zotyl and the turkish lira?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Hey Doncan R ……………..Well my post got lost then! Doesn’t matter to me anyay - I just know anyway.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:28 pm
And heres me thinkıng ıt was…..
….. and the knee bone is connected to the leg bone….
*******Saul
or Lily the Pink
July 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Whoops says
‘Actually I don’t know the point of this post!!’
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I think I understand. In moments of crisis, contacting the police is generally not the first thing that we think of.
Several years ago, Mrs D and I took a day trip to London with the kids. She had planned an itinerary that included Madame Tussauds, and the Planetarium, and - if time allowed - a visit to the British Museum. Me and the boys had an alternative itinerary that included a visit to Soho
A train pulled up as we stood on the platform in the underground and the doors opened disgorging passengers and allowing others to embark.
‘Is this the one we want?’ asked Mrs D.
‘No’, I replied - at which point the train started to leave the station. It was then that we discovered our number had been depleted. We had set out from Brum that morning a party of 4. We were now 3. We cast about, in mounting panic.
‘Where’s Peter?’ Mrs D screamed, grabbing my arm.
I had to admit I had no knowledge of his whereabouts.
‘F*ck!!!’ said Mrs D. ‘There he is! The f*cker’s on that train’
Now, I have frequently had occasion to admonish Mrs D about her language but this time I decided to let it pass.
She was right though. During a momentary lapse of concentration the little b*stard had jumped on the train while it was standing at the platform. The electronic doors had shut, trapping him inside, and the train was now slowly picking up speed carrying No 2 stepson off into the distance.
‘Do something!’, yelled Mrs D.
Now in hindsight, there are perhaps many things I could have done. What I actually did was run along the platform trying to catch the departing train screaming at the wee b*stard to pull the f*cking chain. Of course, he was too wee to reach it. But just as the last carriage was disappearing into the tunnel at the end of the platform one of the adults in the carriage pulled the emergency cord for him. And while I stood wheezing on the platform, the train slowly reversed back into the station to restore a greeting bairn to the arms of a hysterical mother. And it was all my fault of course. While I was still trying to catch my breath after my (olympic qualifying time) sprint along the platform, Mrs D gave me a big dunt across the shoulders.
‘B*stard. You were supposed to be watching him. How come you let him get on the train?’
There is no arguing with a woman - even if they are in the wrong! I let it go.
In hindsight, there are other options I could have pursued. (It would have been better for my bank balance if we had never recovered the wee b*gger). The most sensible action would have been to contact the Authorities and have them telephone/radio ahead to the next station down the line to ‘rescue’ No2 stepson and hold him there while we caught the next train. At the time though, it did not occur to either Mrs D or myself. Mrs D went in to panic state and ‘froze’. The adrenaline kicked in and I went chasing after a train and was about to fling myself upon it as it disappeared into the tunnel. I wasn’t even thinking about contacting the police or anyone else. My instinctive action was to try and do something myself rather than call on others for help.
When judging whether or not people reacted appropriately in a particular situation it is well to remember that in times of stress we do not always react ‘rationally’ - Our behaviour is governed by our emotions rather than by rational thought !
July 28th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
A medical degree usually involves the following subjects:
Anatomy
Biochemistry
Cardiology
Chaperone (clinical)
Dermatology
Emergency Medicine
Endocrinology
Genetics
Gross Anatomy
Gynaecology
Hematology
Histology
Immunology
Medical Humanaties
Microbiology
Nephrology
Neurology
Obstetrics
Opthalmolgy
Pathology
Physiology
Psychiatry
Pulmonology
Rheumatology
I don’t see any mention of forensics or crime scene preservation.
“Nowadays doctors not only have to practise evidence based medicine”
“Evidence-based medicine is the conscientious, explicit and judicious use of current best evidence in making decisions about the care of individual patients”
Apart from the word ‘evidence’, there is no correlation between this and an acute awareness of what is involved or required to preserve a crime scene.
There is no correlation, no common ground in procedures, methods, intent or methodology. There is not the slightest reason to suppose that the practice of ‘Evidence-based medicine’ should convey to the practitioner any insight or awareness of the requirements for forensic investigations.
Turn the argument around - do you think a crime scene investigator would know what Evidence-based medicine was and what would be required to carry it out?
“they also have to accept the fact that prosecutions of doctors for manslaughter have dramatically increased in recent years. Medics nowadays are only too well aware of the way criminal proceedings work.”
Illogical reasoning - The only way Doctors would have a greater awareness of crime scene investigation from an awareness of their colleagues being investigated for manslaughter, is if their colleagues were physically attacking and killing the victims with violence, resulting in ‘crime scenes’ populated with physical forensic evidence
The manslaughter investigations of doctors do not generally involve the crime scene forensics one sees on TV. It involves written records, dosages recorded on charts, the number and nature of tests ordered - not fingerprints on cigarette butts found in foliage outside a bedroom window or a unique composition of soil found in the sole of a Dr’s shoe, which could only come from one particular quarry in the vicinity.
“The offspring tells me, and I see no reason to doubt her, that every doctor or medical student either knows, or knows of, a doctor being investigated by the police for manslaughter.
That fact is reflected in their training”
Show me a reference where this ‘training’ has any relevance or applicability to crime scene forensics.
“just as the need to avoid panic in highly stressful situations is reflected in their training. It is a conditioned reflex which is deeply ingrained; running around like a chicken with its head cut off really isn’t a desirable quality in a medic. People who don’t acquire that reflex are weeded out.”
If you think treating an anonymous accident victim in the Emergency Dept. of a hospital would, or should, illicit the same responses from a Doctor as walking into an apartment and finding their own child missing, with them thinking they had been kidnapped, then I think you are naive. Doctors are humans first, Doctors second.
Doctors are not trained to handle that sort of thing, and I doubt you could train anyone to handle such a situation in a calm efficient manner.
Family is different.
Doctors are warned against and actively discouraged from treating family members precisely because it is acknowledged they can not be expected to be unemotional, detached and unbiased.
Do you think the Police would allow a detecteve to investigate the murder of their own child?
“And as I noted in the part of my post which you omitted, there is no conceivable justification for a doctor not to be aware that leaving small children alone with no-one to care for them is very dangerous; as the Cemach report ‘Why Children Die’ notes:
‘A critical lapse in parental supervision was a recurrent feature in accidental and traumatic child death in the younger age groups.’
Which is why responsible adults don’t leave small children with no-one to care for them.”
This has nothing to do with Doctors being specially trained or equipped to deal rationally with a crime scene involving a family member. It is irrelevant.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
m-e how can they be completely innocent? They have if nothing else provided the perfect backdrop for an abduction if that is the case-and blamed others of being negligent? Beats me, it really does.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
m.e
I think there are strong indications of wrong doing in this case, imo obviously! And as for the “P” word, i have my theories
July 28th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Completely innocent or paedos? Some claim innocence with no evidence so you people will have to forgive the other accusation when there are some indications of such.
Terrible business when you open your eyes. Some of you might try it………
m and A
if you persist in wishing to discuss the paedophile options, of which there is NO proof, then your posts will be pulled again
July 28th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Evening all
I haven’t read any posts so I don’t know what the mood is on here tonight. But, try this:
A book by a guy called David Hawkins, wrote a book called Power vs Force. On the back cover it says ” Imagine - what if you knew you had access to a simple yes or no answer to any question you wished to ask? A demonstrably true answer. Any question… think about it. That’s from the forward.
The answer is Kinesiology - muscle testing. And I use it and it’s never been wrong for me.
I was listening to an audio book the other day, and a great big round of applause came when - “Did you have sex with that woman”? Bill Clinton! And they asked have they done a muscle test?
If you want to know more or even if you are a kinesiologist, let me know and I’d like your views on this.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
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Gandolf Says:
July 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
There is fuk all strange about it, if the Leics plod were in the sainted Justice Hogg’s court knowing that they had evidence Madeleine McCann is deceased and never imparted that knowledge to the sainted Justice Hogg………..they are in deep shit very deep shit………
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Not if they were constrained by the Portuguese secrecy law.
M and A
Perhaps the case would have been heard in camera then?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
whoops
I think they are going to appear on the sofas ina few weeks, they always reappear after they have gone quiet imo, i personally think they are asessing the situation and taking some good pr advice!
July 28th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Duncan, ınstead of baskıng here ın adulatıon from posters (ıt will be George 2 thread on here soon).
Clear some space, İve accquıred a job lot of Rakı
July 28th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Where does it go from here-? i think the Mccanns will fade into the background now-I can’t see where they can take it-if they continue to sue, they will lose any public sympathy left. IMO. Anybody?
m and A
Sorry whoops just replying the lazy way, am watching the Darwins fraud
Anyway the McCanns I feel they will quietly disappear, they have nothing to offer the celeb circuit, and don’t have the financial clout to maintain it. But that isn’t them its really about, its really Madeleine who is the central figure. If no new evidence emerges, I should say it will be all over by Xmas.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Duncan,
“Anyway that won’t happen tonight because I have to go and I am already late”
Dun-caaaaan !! wot is NOT happening tonight? jajajaja 
*****
jajajajaja
July 28th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
How comes the mccLouds are so shut up for once?Not that I complain by any means but …. are summer clouds gathering over rothley or somefink? atmospheric pression?
Did they beg the prosecutor to revert their status to become arguidos again?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Duncan,
You do that!
No doubt if you pull my post I will have deserved it !
Anyway that won’t happen tonight because I have to go and I am already late.