Madeleine McCann: Bedroom Pictures, DNA And Kate McCann Questions
THE hacks are going over the police reports on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Are we looking for clues? Or are we just looking? Come one voyeur, come all:
A British scientist warned DNA tests on a sample from Kate and Gerry McCanns’ hire car were inconclusive just days before the couple were made suspects, official police files have revealed.
In an email dated September 3 2007 John Lowe, from the major incidents team at the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service (FSS), said it was impossible to conclude whether the material came from their daughter Madeleine.
In an email dated September 3 2007 John Lowe, from the major incidents team at the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service (FSS), said it was impossible to conclude whether the material definitely came from their daughter Madeleine.
Four days later Portuguese detectives named the McCanns “arguidos”, or formal suspects, in the child’s disappearance, citing DNA evidence as grounds for their suspicions.
Such are the sort of facts and opinions:
THE 48 QUESTIONS KATE DIDN’T ANSWER
1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?
2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)
3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?
4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?
5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?
6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?
7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.
8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?
9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?
10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?
11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?
12. Who contacted the authorities?
13. Who took place in the searches?
14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?
15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?
16. What does ‘we let her down’ mean?
17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?
18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?
19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?
20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?
21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?
22. Did you call Sky News?
23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?
24. Did you ask for a priest?
25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?
26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?
27. What was your behaviour that night?
28. Did you manage to sleep?
29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?
30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?
31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?
32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?
33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?
34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?
35. What is your medical specialty?
36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?
37. Did you work every day?
38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?
39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?
40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?
41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?
42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?
43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?
A QUESTION SHE DID ANSWER
Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?
A. ‘Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.’
Wanna see the pictures of the bedroom? What good can it do? What harm..?
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August 4th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
Are any other european or us countries looking at pamela fenns, yvonne martins and david paynes appearances in these files?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Mathew
ever heard of dc Gerbils……..
August 4th, 2008 at 11:26 pm
This is interesting place, we do not have anything as inquisitive in my country. Many German people go to Portugal the Algarve, my parents they speak of Rene who go missing in bad circumstance, police do not search much the mother and father are very broken people. I do not know about these people Mccann must be bad for any parents to lose any little child, my heart is very hurt for them the lady look very sad, I hope for the child and the parents with no hope we are lost. I wish you all good night.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Saul Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Had a slight contre temps with HM Customs regarding 2 cwt of sand. When I have time will call in on the Forums
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I’m sorry to hear that. Do you need a character witness for the trial?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
must be like christmas eve at lidel and argos for the pros tonight
August 4th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Had a slight contre temps with HM Customs regarding 2 cwt of sand. When I have time will call in on the Forums
August 4th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Gandy
is error 403 a coded blog?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
So far we have had some spun extracts from one email out of the 50 pages on the DNA evidence; I am thrilled at the thought that we might actually get some facts for a change…
August 4th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Good evening Saul!
Are you still on Cleopatra’s Island or are you back in boring old Blighty?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
what media outlets does rupert murdoch run again?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Gandy dearest, you loooooovvvve to live dangerously isn’t it?
Either Anorak was down for a while or cleaning my IE cookies did the trick.
Might work for you too?
Bye all I’m off to join mrT [no, no, no!!!! I'm NOT snoring]
August 4th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
“Evening Mike, where’s all the lads tonight”
“Don’t know Trigger, maybe they have found another place to while away the night together”
August 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
WTF
Are you having another jean slater moment ?
43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
August 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Error 403 the fellow is quite correct.
Why am I getting this
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Mods and Admin
Perhaps you have a dynamic Ip, or it could be a problem from another website using Wordpress.
There’s another site I’m on where I cannot use my user name there to blog,but have to use the one I use here
August 4th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
whoops
sorry brunt said no abduction through the window
August 4th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Rasputin Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
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How soon they forget.
It was but a couple of weeks ago that
‘representatives of the service went out to Portugal with Leicestershire police to try to prevent the information being made public. ‘
according to This is London.
‘Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police officer and a child protection expert, who has knowledge of the report, which dedicates 50 pages to the DNA evidence, said it was ‘damning’.
‘The FSS was out in Portugal on a damage limitation exercise,’ he said. ‘They will lose credibility over this.’
http://tinyurl.com/5r8fmd
August 4th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Gandolf Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
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Gandy, you are living on the edge tonight.
Would you prefer to be shoved over, or simply step gracefully into space?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Clueless explain to the less educated what an error 403 is, whats the video……….The dinger spaniels, arrests expected soon in the sun no not the friggin paper clueless the Algarve me old mullet basher….Gandolf …Lord of the night and lock picker of famous legend, they block him here they block him there, where next will the Lord of the night prefer…………
Mods and Admin
hello Cherub , not seen you about for ooh lets see….
Got the hump with people have we? ah diddums
August 4th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Lord Eddie and Lady Keela video to be released ( going berserk in the apartment and car)
August 4th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
jj
I’ve seen [small] children getting out of bed with the sheets even lesser folded back.
On the other hand, we don’t know Madeleine and her habits.
Did you watch the Sky or the DailyMail pictures?
I think Sky’s are better, but I’m not impressed by the quality either.
No date or timestamp on the pictures. So when were they taken? Anybody who knows?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
In an email dated September 3 2007 John Lowe, from the major incidents team at the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service (FSS), said it was impossible to conclude whether the material came from their daughter Madeleine.
Four days later Portuguese detectives named the McCanns “arguidos”, or formal suspects, in the child’s disappearance, citing DNA evidence as grounds for their suspicions.
The revelation came to light after the mammoth police files from the exhaustive inquiry, which lasted over 14 months, were formally made public.
Among the files is the email written by Mr Lowe to Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior, head of the British side of the investigation. In it the scientist reported that a sample from the boot of the McCanns’ Renault Scenic hire car, which they rented 24 days after Madeleine went missing, contained 15 out of 19 of the young girl’s DNA components.
But he cautioned that this result - based on the controversial “low copy number” DNA analysis …..
technique which uses very small samples - was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”.
Mr Lowe wrote: “Let’s look at the question that is being asked: ‘Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab?’ It would be very simple to say ‘yes’ simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample. What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine - because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance.”
The expert noted that the components of the missing girl’s DNA profile were not unique to her - in fact some of them were present among FSS scientists, including himself. He concluded: “We cannot answer the question: is the match genuine, or is it a chance match.”
Mr Lowe also stressed that low copy number analysis could not determine when or how the DNA was deposited, what body fluid it came from and whether a crime was committed.
Madeleine was nearly four when she vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3 last year as her parents dined with friends nearby.
Search: McCann dossier DNA
A British scientist warned DNA tests on a sample from Kate and Gerry McCanns’ hire car were inconclusive just days before the couple were made suspects, official police files have revealed.
In an email dated September 3 2007 John Lowe, from the major incidents team at the Birmingham-based Forensic Science Service (FSS), said it was impossible to conclude whether the material came from their daughter Madeleine.
Four days later Portuguese detectives named the McCanns “arguidos”, or formal suspects, in the child’s disappearance, citing DNA evidence as grounds for their suspicions.
The revelation came to light after the mammoth police files from the exhaustive inquiry, which lasted over 14 months, were formally made public.
Among the files is the email written by Mr Lowe to Detective Superintendent Stuart Prior, head of the British side of the investigation. In it the scientist reported that a sample from the boot of the McCanns’ Renault Scenic hire car, which they rented 24 days after Madeleine went missing, contained 15 out of 19 of the young girl’s DNA components.
But he cautioned that this result - based on the controversial “low copy number” DNA analysis technique which uses very small samples - was “too complex for meaningful interpretation or inclusion”.
Mr Lowe wrote: “Let’s look at the question that is being asked: ‘Is there DNA from Madeleine on the swab?’ It would be very simple to say ‘yes’ simply because of the number of components within the result that are also in her reference sample. What we need to consider, as scientists, is whether the match is genuine - because Madeleine has deposited DNA as a result of being in the car or whether Madeleine merely appears to match the result by chance.”
The expert noted that the components of the missing girl’s DNA profile were not unique to her - in fact some of them were present among FSS scientists, including himself. He concluded: “We cannot answer the question: is the match genuine, or is it a chance match.”
Mr Lowe also stressed that low copy number analysis could not determine when or how the DNA was deposited, what body fluid it came from and whether a crime was committed.
© 2008 The Press Association Limited
August 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Was pink bundle thing on bed defi nitely Cuddlecat? Or could it be the pink blanket said to have been left behind?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Gandolf had a little moan earlier so:
The real question is why the mods who haven’t blocked Gandolf keep continuing to attempt to block him, very 3arses!!!!!!!!!!
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Artemis
I have carefully inspected the spam and the cybervoid and there is no mention of Gandolf in either of those places.
I therefore conclude you are being dishonest in this post.
Administrator: I will add this. We NEVER strangle in the dark or in silence. If you are blocked, which has happened, you are always fully aware of the reason and have often engineered the position where a blocking is unavoidable. I regard each time as a failure on our part, but you repeatedly play an unfair game. We are busy tonight and we don’t have time to mess about.
I have no knowledge of the 3As and care to know even less. Comparing this site to that particular outfit is akin to the Pope apologising for years of priestly abuse…hollow and a stupid gesture.
Do me, the Mods and the fellow posters a favour and stop buggering about. When you debate fairly and with vigour you are excellent. When you whine like this I despair and really do believe there are a number of alter-egos involved with your name. It is worth remembering only you can let yourself down. -agw
August 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Just so,
you’re right it’s 2.
Which is why I leave science to the experts.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Just so
Glad it’s not only me then. Don’t understand any of your last post though -huh?
August 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
jj Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Look at the bed.
I thing it was not posible for madeleine to leave the bed like this if she was wandered of!
I think she is to smal to leave teh bed like this. So why did the Police thought that she was wandered of at the first time ???
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jj,
I wouldn’t put money on that. Children as small as Maddie don’t always disturb bedclothes much. At least that has been my experience, unless of course they have been jumping or tunnelling.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Christine,
I got whoosh clunked too. It seems there’s a lot of it about.
The only thing I wanted to say was to tell Elena that it’s males and females who are different by 1 chromosome not us and chimps.
The confusion reminds me of a cartoon I saw where Tarzan was saying to Jane “Oh come on now, how often is it that I go and have a night out with the apes?”
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Artemis
Thank you for the quip; much welcomed!
I don’t know why posts are going walkabout; it’s been driving us slowly up the wall.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
cuddle cat was put up high on shelf
August 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
JJ-could it have been put there to re-enact the scene-I just don’t see anywhere that it says ‘the room after the abduction had taken place’-they can’t be dull enough to say it wa on a shelf and then put it back on the bed as if nothing had happened. If so for God’s sake don’t let gerry do any transplant work.
August 4th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I was under the impression that the parents are the target of various slings and barbs, must be another case.