Madeleine McCann: Stephanie Bysh And Ariella Encroach On Praia Da Luz
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STEPHANIE Bysh is mother to Ariella d’Gama, who has passed a while in a children’s home.
What has it got to do with Madeleine McCann. Well, get this:
DAILY MAIL: “British mother whose daughter was taken into care by Portuguese police after she ‘went out drinking’”
A British man told police that her mother Stephanie Bysh, 44, had been ‘drinking heavily’… The town is five miles from Praia da Luz, where missing toddler Madeleine McCann disappeared in May last year from a rented apartment.
Yes, just five miles.
Yesterday, it was all just 15 miles from where our Maddie went missing.
The day before that it was all occuring 25 miles from Praia da Luz.
Anorak estimates that inside week, little Ariella will be actually inside the apartment used by the McCanns that fateful trip…
Such are the facts…
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August 31st, 2008 at 12:00 am
steptoes on
August 30th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Jessica Lunsford’s abductor, a convicted sex offender, was homeless and a guest of relatives across the road from Jessica’s grandparents. He was completely unknown to the family. If you wish to call him a neighbor, by all means do. Being wrong hasn’t stopped you so far.
Further, I believe that Polly Klaas’s grandfather was reacting hopefully to unfounded “sightings” in the two months before her BODY WAS FOUND, based on the directions provided by her CONFESSED killer.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
remigius, i keep on writing your name wrong, sorry, denial of what really happened i think. madeleine giving her abductors her tuppence’s worth for instance.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Lets all wake up! If there was an abduction, it would not have happened if the parents had been with Madeleine.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
HI Sam /Stevet
Still catching up….
Thanks MArie Nicholls for trhe translations and links
August 30th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
What they have in common, is the suggestion that having a parent present does not always guarantee safety, and, while Madeleine was only there for a short time, I believe there have been multiple witnesses suggesting that she, her accomodations, or children in the area at that time were being closely monitored by apparent strangers.
Yes, I know; here, let me help, “Pity they weren’t being so closely monitored by their evil parents!” There now, feel better?
(And, incidentally, the Groene case was not opportunistic. Their kidnapper/ rapist/ murderer, who was sentenced to death last week, has admitted stalking them as well as a nearby preschool before he finally selected them as victims.)
August 30th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
sam
Yes, but…denial of what? Meaning what? Accidental death?
In the case of Klass, what is weird is the fact that the kidnapper made these remarks to the three young girls, including Polly–he needed to identify her, apparently. Why? He then told them that he was just doing this “for the money.” Why?
Both of Klass’s parents passed polygraph exams, so they were not suspects. They were divorced, and apparently Klass’s mother had broken up with her second husband and was living with Polly and a younger child, alone….
Klass’s kidnapper was executed, but not before he self-servingly accused Polly’s father of having abused Polly sexually. Cheap shot? Or something else?
Several questions that will never be answered.
You know, in the case of Jessical Lunsford, several years alter her own brother was arrested for sexually molesting a child–he pled guilty to a lesser charge. But Jessica was abducted, raped, and killed by a nearby neighbor, not a stranger.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Gailen Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Right. My comment is awaiting moderation. It was merely an excerpt from Wikipedia describing the abduction, in the night, at knifepoint, of Elizabeth Smart.
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It is a waste of bandwith.
Like posts, like poster.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
remigus, it sounds like wishful thinking or denial.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Gailen
My wife is also a member of Mensa. She would say don’t worry about the cholesterol as their is no reliable scientific study to show that it causes heart disease, but there is good evidence to show that statins are probably deadly, so be thankful you aren’t on them.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
remigus, agreed ,madeleiene was far too young and had only been in portugal for six days.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Remigius,
Unfortunately not.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
All
Did you ever learn who Doris is, by the way? Just asking.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Chatelaine
sorry I can’t seem to make the accentegue appear on your lovely name!
Spokesmen….I guess everyone has one now! All the rage.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Sam
What IS relevant with these examples is that in many of them, the evil abductor was NOT a person unknown to the victim or the victim’s family. They were a neighbor, an employee, a befriended person brought into the family home…..
Those cases that involve strangers, like Klass, have some weird, unexplained aspects to them.
In the Groene case, you have a druggie family toked unconscious, killed opportunistically by a killer who staked them out in an area that has no other people living there for miles and miles, cut off by dense woods and mountains….
No children killed or kidnapped in populous, busy resorts.
In Klass, you have a grandpa who believes that Polly is still alive, living in Saudi Arabia, probably in a palace where she is a sex slave to some king or prince….hey, who does THAT sound like, now?
August 30th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Remigius Says:
August 30th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Here’s another, for a laugh!
thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=elizabeth_smart
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Good for a laugh, indeed. I was not familiar with this case.
Also interesting that the family had a “spokesman” …
August 30th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
sam
It’s got nothing to do with Madeleine McCann, which was my whole point.
the Smart “kidnapping” or “marriage”, etc. have NOTHING to do with Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, shed no light on it….there is no valid comparison.
Others say no, that Madeleine’s “abduction” was just like these–Smart, Jessica Lunsford, the Groene family, Polly Klass….dingos….
August 30th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
M & A, I am sure that you will insist R cite his sources, as that would be only fair. Helping him out, I will attach the NYT section, reporting the response of the–extended–family to some of the scummier journalists who accosted them, I believe at their first worship service after Elizabeth’s return. I think you will find it somehow lacks the sort of authority generally conveyed by implying that the Times agrees with ones position:
”She had no ability to control her life,” Charles Smart, her paternal grandfather and a retired heart surgeon, told the congregation at a packed Mormon church near the Smart home. ”She was completely controlled by Emmanuel.”
They would not answer rumors that Elizabeth had been ”married” to her apparent captor, whose real name is Brian D. Mitchell, in a campsite ceremony just hours after her abduction. Mr. Mitchell’s legal wife, Wanda I. Barzee, who was arrested with him last Wednesday, told a friend on Friday in a jailhouse conversation that a divine revelation had instructed her husband to take at least seven more wives.
”Elizabeth is still as pure and still as wonderful and still as much a child of God as she ever was,” her grandfather said, describing Elizabeth in Biblical terms as a ”lost sheep” who had at last returned to the flock.
Neither Elizabeth nor her parents, Edward and Lois, attended the church service today at the Federal Heights Ward of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where the Smart family has worshiped for years. But six rows of seats were filled by relatives, three of whom spoke to the congregation.
Addressing a persistent subject of conjecture here, a spokesman hired by the family emphatically told reporters before the service that Elizabeth is not pregnant and never was.
”Elizabeth is a survivor and Elizabeth did whatever she had to do to survive,” said Chris Thomas, the spokesman. ”We don’t know the evil things that were done to her.”
August 30th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Hmmm…Here is some of the wikipedia entry on Elizabeth Smart.
It’s written very sympathetically to her, but it is open to question about how many visits “Emmanuel” made to the Smart family home. Likely more than one, if Mary Katherine, a young child, was able to identify him so completely, remember his voice, etc.
The Smarts sought to help unemployed people in the community by paying them for odd jobs or handy work around the property.[26] Mary Katherine now identified Mitchell as a man who had worked in the home for one day in November 2001, but who went by the name “Emmanuel.” Lois and some of the children had met him downtown as he was asking for spare change. He was clean, soft-spoken, well-groomed, Caucasian, 5’8″ tall, had dark hair, and was “about 45 years old”. It seemed clear[citation needed] that “Emmanuel” was not his real name, but had something to do with his self-proclaimed calling as a minister to the homeless. He worked at the Smarts’ home for five hours, helping on the roof and raking leaves. While they worked together on Ed’s roof, he told Ed that he was traveling to different cities preaching to the homeless.[27][28][29][30]
When this was reported to the police, they had doubts as to its reliability. Mary Katherine had barely heard the suspect’s voice, for only a few minutes, in a whisper, several months previously, and after coming out of a sleep. That she suddenly remembered it as the voice of a man she had met for a few moments a year earlier was not seen as a trustworthy lead.
Tensions developed as the parents accused the police of not thoroughly following up on this lead. The family used the services of sketch artist Dalene Nielson [31] to draw “Emmanuel”’s face from memory. In February, this drawing was released to the media, with the assistance of John Walsh, who revealed it in an appearance on Larry King Live and on his own series, America’s Most Wanted. The drawing was recognized by Emmanuel’s family, who reported his actual name, Brian David Mitchell, to the police, and provided them with contemporary photographs of Mitchell.
August 30th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
i am a fundamental member of densa, what has any of this got to do with madeleine mccann ?
August 30th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Pamela
Here’s another, for a laugh!
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=elizabeth_smart
August 30th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Pamela
the NY TIMES link I sent also references Elizabeth’s “marriage.”
August 30th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
The Real Stig
Hullo, and about the three examples, sorry to be dense (I am not a member of MENSA, etc.) but are you talking about the Rene Hasee case? That was in 1996–a LONG time back, and there doesn’t seem to be any info on it. I think it was a boy who disappeared while with his parents on a beach? The beach was in Faro–not PDL, no?
The other case, that tragic murder one involving the incest with the mother, and the alleged beating….the similarities are that the body is missing….Story is that the body was chopped in pieces, put into a freezer, then squashed in an old car that was junked….
I am still puzzled about how these events are supposed to be linked. I mean, linking the last one means that Madeleine is most likely dead, killed by the same killers, inexplicably….? or are you saying that the other little girl is also being wheeled around the Continent by a Moroccan nanny?
I am not poking fun, Stig. I just don’t see the links. And the thing about Wikipedia entries is that they tend to be written by self-interested folks. If the mother and her lover did not kill the girl, then who did? why? What’s the motive?
If the argument is that the child was sold into some kind of slavery, then…again, why? By whom? A pro sex trafficker would not want to risk apprehension in the same area. And an amateur would likel get caught.
But tell me more, please….
August 30th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Sorry, everything you would want to know about the Smart case can be seen, read, heard, or watched here: http://www.courttv.com/news/smart/
M& A–Exactly what part of this did I misrepresent, do you think?
Quoting R–
“From her actions, it does not appear that Elizabeth Smart was particularly alarmed. She took time to put on her shoes, even turning on a light. She was very calm. And she and her “abductor” walked around the family home. I believe they even entered another bedroom, if I remember correctly.
Surely a 14-year old fit child could have safely bolted! The whole thing puzzled police for a long time.
Like I said, though, the good thing is that she was found safe and, well…uhm…apparently “married.””
August 30th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Pamela etc.
Here’s a link regarding questions about Smart’s ability to escape from her abductors:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9f00e0dc1731f934a25750c0a9659c8b63
August 30th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Is Garth also in Mensa?
August 30th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Remigius
I withdraw and apologise for the ‘pig ignorant’ remark.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Brandon
Not much as regards news. If you look in “News from my big desk”, you’ll find the translations of more statements from the witnesses. There are other things on the site, but if you quickly go down, you’ll find them very easily. Some statements don’t say the same thing as some others.
Yesterday night and today until afternoon have been really boring, with people accusing others of bullying them. It is much better now. Gailen just left and said good bye (see above), Jo is slowly recovering, Coco has shocked some posters by using a few rude words…. No news from Duncan and Carmen.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Hello Brandon.
August 30th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Remigius
You are welcome!
I have provided three examples of children being abducted and harmed from under the noses of supervising adults. They support Pamela’s point and are directly relevant. You can TRY and cast as much doubt on their occurrence as you like, but they are factual.