Madeleine McCann: When The Sniffer Dogs Barked And Casey Anthony
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
THE SUN (front page): “BARKING – The moment Maddie cops say dog made McCanns ‘suspects’
No, not the tabloid dog pack. There’s a picture of a spaniel crawling on a sofa. To its rear is a man. There is a pair of blue drapes, open.
And another picture of a dog, which may be same dog. The caption:
Howl … pooch alerts handler to ‘evidence’ found in the parents’ rented motor
Pages 4 and 5: “HOUNDING OF THE McCANNS”
THESE were the scenes as two police sniffer dogs investigated the disappearance of little Madeleine McCann — and left her shell-shocked parents wrongly in the frame.
You can never trust a dog, much less a Portuguese dog…
The 2½-hour film, shot on a police camcorder, chronicles the work of two specially-trained British sniffer dogs.
It was the British all along, friendly fire, blue on blue disaster…
It details the moments when the springer spaniels apparently detected:
Barking … the moment Maddie cops say dog made McCanns ’suspects’
The scent of a dead body in the McCanns’ rented Renault Scenic, hired 25 days after Maddie vanished shortly before her fourth birthday in May 2007
An aroma of blood in a bedroom cupboard in the family’s Praia da Luz holiday apartment, and
A smell of death on Kate’s clothes.
Good of the Sun to repeat all the apparent speculation again. And tell us that – hold that apology to the Portuguese, the dog handler was one of them, a Portuguese…
Eddie is first to be taken into the two-bed apartment and spends nearly 30 minutes sniffing around. He barks twice — once in a bedroom and once at a spot behind a sofa underneath a living room window.
Woof! Woof!
Martin says: “As soon as I came in the dog is very excited. From his body language it would appear he has picked up a scent that he recognises. There is enough scent there for him to give me a bark indication.”
Woof!
After Eddie leaves the apartment, Martin takes in Keela. She can be seen freezing — a sign she has found something — underneath the window where Eddie had earlier barked.
And..?
Martin says on camera: “The crime scene dog has given me a positive indication. That indicates to me there is some human blood there. She will detect blood that is very old and find anybody’s blood.”
Not a blood hound – a spaniel…
While Portuguese cops carried out DNA tests on “fluids” found in the flat, it has never been revealed if any blood was found.
And the British at the forensic lab in Birmingham, don’t forget them…
Detectives also asked Martin to use his dogs on the McCanns’ hire car.
Oh, yes, the Renault Scenic…
Eddie is seen barking at the driver’s door before standing still in the boot, then scrabbling in one corner. Martin says: “We had a reaction from the dog. The scent is coming out of the sealed door.”
RINGSIDE REPORT (US): “More Charges For Caylee’s mom”
An online boxing magazine delivers the news with punch. Ding! Ding!
Every time a child disappears, it must be taken seriously. For months, we have been awaiting for good news of British girl Madeleine McCann, the four year old princess who disappeared in Portugal. Now, it turns out, the United States has an even worse case at hand, that of Caylee Anthony, a 3 year old angel who mysteriously disappeared from Florida and whom police investigations point out to be a likely murder victim.
Seconds out!
Number one, if Casey Anthony is involved in her daughter’s disappearance, all she deserves is 12 rounds with Lennox Lewis, after having people completely tie her up to a corner. Number two, we are all praying at RSR so that the first thing the grandmother said becomes a reality, and Caylee is found alive, as well as Madeleine McCann.
Lennox beats up women, Lennox beats up women, la-la-la-la…
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September 5th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Garth, if you are that competent, why don’t you go to Praia da Luz, solve the problem and tell the PJ what happened?
Tell the British police as well because they were taking part of the investigations.
I’m longing for your answers.
September 5th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
chenier
Thanks for the link but this was the aim of the experiment…
“The aim of our investigation was the comparative evaluation of the reliability, accuracy, and specificity of three cadaver dogs belonging to the Hamburg State Police in the detection of scents during the early postmortem interval”.
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From the example we know cadaver had been planted.
What the experiment does not show is how the cadaver could be mistaken for something else…………..
September 5th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Tracy Knysna, SA
No, I am only offering a ‘possible’ explanation.
I have no idea what the dogs were reacting to.
Putrescine and Cadaverine are just chemicals. They are what cadaver dogs are trained to detect. So why do they not react to the presence of these same chemicals in sperm, urine and saliva?
Kella supposedly detected these chemicals through 20cm of concrete in Jersey.
Firstly, a highly active chemical compound is not going to survive for decades; secondly, I think think detecting such a chemical - even if it were still present - through 20cm of concrete is a physical impossibility.
I call bullshit on the ascribed capabilities of these dogs.
“John Barrett, a former Scotland Yard dog handler, also indicated that the trained dogs used in an attempt to detect a “death smell” on Mrs McCann’s Bible and clothes were brought in too long after Madeleine vanished.
The crucial scent lasts for no longer than a month, he said.”
September 5th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
You are most welcome, BabyJane!
September 5th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
you can find the video on http://www.mccannfiles.com
September 5th, 2008 at 11:59 am
chenier, what you just said was an enexpected, warm sunshine during generally difficult times.
Thank’s a lot.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:58 am
Julie Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Elvera Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Of all the apartments… in all of the complex… why did those pesky dawgs have to point behind 5A’s settee?
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Some pesky kid was hanging over the back of the settee ….. drooling …..
OR HAVING A NOSE BLEED
September 5th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Elvera Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Of all the apartments… in all of the complex… why did those pesky dawgs have to point behind 5A’s settee?
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Some pesky kid was hanging over the back of the settee ….. drooling …..
September 5th, 2008 at 11:53 am
The Real Stig asked for a source on cadaver dogs
Cadaver dogs—A study on detection of contaminated carpet squares
L. Oesterhelwega, b, , , S. Kröberc, K. Rottmannc, J. Willhöftc, C. Brauna, N. Thiesd, K. Püschela, J. Silkenathc and A. Gehla
aInstitute of Legal Medicine, University Medical Center Hamburg, Germany bCenter Forensic Imaging and Virtopsy at the University of Bern, Switzerland cState Police Academy (LPS 36), Department of the Interior, Hamburg, Germany dPolice Faculty, Technical College for Public Administration, Hamburg, Germany
Received 3 October 2006; revised 24 January 2007; accepted 28 February 2007. Available online 9 April 2007.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T6W-4NFRV0V-1&_user=1460874&_coverDate=04%2F09%2F2007&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000052796&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=1460874&md5=5aa38e5f6e47749376fb471159cc0628
September 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Of all the apartments… in all of the complex… why did those pesky dawgs have to point behind 5A’s settee?
……..apologies to Humph!
September 5th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Just found this article dated January …
http://www.thestar.co.za/?fArticleId=4224080
I personally have no faith in Krugel’s machine as if it was such a wonder machine, the man would have been world-famous by now. You hear very little of his “successes” over here - almost nothing to be honest. But the article makes for interesting reading anyway …
September 5th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Baby Jane
Can you please provide a link for 2 hour putrefaction.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:47 am
So Gerry said the dogs were rigged - and The Real Stig says the handler was rigged!!!!!!!!!!
September 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
I’d like to add one consideration, which might impact the theory ‘too little to to cover up any accident’
My husband has worked for quite many years with cardiologists (in the field of clinical research), when he left cardiology to work in the area of diabetology, he commented that there was an incredible difference between the two specializations: cardiologists are so much more quick to react, great reflexes, great in emergencies, etc, and it does make sense, that their entire training (as well as personal characteristics that probably lead them to cardiology in the first place) allows them to react to crises in a very short space of time.
After all in many cases they have only a few minutes during which to act, and their actions mean life or death to patients.
So, I myself don’t feel that ‘too little time’ is an objection. Now, had he been a diabetologist……
September 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Grrrrr - Spam
September 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Yeah, I know the Clever Hans effect. Some people say that’s how homoeopathy works, too. But its an interesting phenomenon, that’s true.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
M&A
Certainly, I have gotten out of the habit of posting links because of the Apam muncher eating entire posts which contain only a single link.
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2005-04/1114460899.Gb.r.html
September 5th, 2008 at 11:46 am
BabyJane
I think that this thread would be much the worse for your absence; I have never seen you pretend to know something when you don’t, and I have never seen you pretend not to know something when you do.
Which is a great deal more than can be said for some others…
September 5th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Baby Jane
No there probably was, which is why I mentioned them possibly reacting to subliminal cues from the handler. It is called the Clever Hans effect.
From Wikipedia.
“Clever Hans (in German, der Kluge Hans) was a horse that was claimed to have been able to perform arithmetic and other intellectual tasks.
After formal investigation in 1907, psychologist Oskar Pfungst demonstrated that the horse was not actually performing these mental tasks, but was watching the reaction of his human observers. Pfungst discovered this artifact in the research methodology, wherein the horse was responding directly to involuntary cues in the body language of the human trainer, who had the faculties to solve each problem. The trainer was entirely unaware that he was providing such cues.”
September 5th, 2008 at 11:41 am
The Real Stig says: “Putrefaction occurs from 4 to 10 days after death.”
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But the dogs react to cadaver odour which develops two houres after the person died.
And, personally, I think you know that, Stig. So I won’t give any arguments here any more, because it’s fruitless. Why did it take so long for me to finally understand that?
September 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am
So are you telling me kate rubbed herself up on corpses weeks old too ?
September 5th, 2008 at 11:37 am
The portuguese dogs were sniffing her own scent. She was there that day.
Entirely different!
September 5th, 2008 at 11:35 am
BF
Do you have any better ideas - because they certainly were not reacting to smells from a cadaver?
The nannies statement confirms Madeleine was alive on the afternoon of the third - right?
I think we can assume that if the creche register did not back this up, there would have been a convenient leak to 24 Whores about it.
So Madeline was alive that evening. So lets pretend she died in the apartment.
I’ll even be generous and say 6-8pm. So sometime before 10pm the body would have to be found and taken elsewhere before she is announced to be missing. So at the most, her body would have been there for 3 hours say.
“Putrefaction occurs from 4 to 10 days after death. As the bacteria are
breaking down the tissues and cells they are also producing a lot of
gas. These gases include hydrogen sulfide, methane, cadaverine, and
putrescine.”
“muscle cells can live for several hours and skin and bone cells can stay
alive for days! ”
So YOU tell me what the doggies smelt, because it couldn’t have been the products from a decomposed body, now could it?
And while we are on the topic of doggies. What were the PJ’s own doggies following towards the beach etc? British doggies = trustworthy, Portuguese doggies = untrustworthy ?
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M&A
Artemis
Could you please tell us what you are quoting?
September 5th, 2008 at 11:30 am
I think its further evidence of neglect, the kids must have been starving too
September 5th, 2008 at 11:28 am
The Real Stig Says:
Baby Jane
The smell belonged to saliva, not a corpse, or it was something else entirely - like the peppermints in Garths example.
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So, following your logic, that would mean there was no human salvia at all in ANY of the other appartments and cars?
September 5th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Baby Jane
The smell belonged to saliva, not a corpse, or it was something else entirely - like the peppermints in Garths example.
What are the Drug sniffer dogs in Australia detecting in their 75% wrong fingerings/noseings of people?
We don’t know, and probably never will because dogs can’t talk.
September 5th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Garth - come on, don’t disappoint me by saying that talking about something and serving on jury are the same thing!
As for being impartial, I actually think I’m tremendously impartial, but that’s only relative to the degree of partiality I usually observe in other people and I quite realize that in order to be really imparital, you must be absolutely detached (and absolute detachment is not the way of mankind)
So, glad to know you (think you) are impartial and that you possibly have a list of things that don’t ring quite true about the McC’s (although you wrote that you are 100% confident they are not hiding anything)
September 5th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Tracy
I was reacting to stigs saliva and subliminal clues from his handler post
September 5th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Oh gawd………… dont you bleedin start!
Wassup cherry lips?
September 5th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Garth Says:
September 5th, 2008 at 11:10 am
No they don’t. Give us a kiss.
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OI!!!!!