International Madeleine McCann: And Eye For Denise Pipitone And Finding Rose Pizem
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Italy’s Madeleine McCann ‘found safe and well after four years’”
Italy has it’s own Maddie. Like Isreal? Are we working throught alphabet? If so, look out Jamaica…
Urgent DNA tests are being carried out on the eight year old girl found in Greece to see if she is Denise Pipitone, who vanished in 2004. She missing from outside her grandmother’s house while playing.
And?
News of the discovery will bring fresh hope to Gerry and Kate McCann after their daughter disappeared in Portugal last year, and for the parents of Ben Needham who vanished in 1991 from the same Greek island, Kos, where the Italian girl was found.
Like Our Maddie?
The DNA tests were ordered after Denise’s mother Piera, shown photographs of the girl found in Greece, said the “shape of the eyes was exactly that” of her daughter.
DAILY MIRROR: “DNA tests on ‘Italian Madeleine’”
Madeleine McCann has been missing since last May. A spokesman for her parents said: “If this is Denise then it will give Kate and Gerry immense strength and hope that Madeleine will be found.”
TIMES: “Missing girl Denise Pipitone ‘found begging’ after four-year search”
Greek police traced the Roma woman, 34, who was charged with abducting a minor. One police official said that the girl had the same birthmark under her left eye as Denise, and only spoke Italian. She is being kept under observation in the island’s hospital. The case is as well known in Italy as that of Madeleine McCann. Denise’s mother, Piera Maggio, has made repeated appeals on television for help in finding her.
Italians know of their own missing child as well as they do of Our Maddie?
DAILY MAIL: “Girl dubbed Italy’s Madeleine McCann ‘found alive and well’ four years after she vanished”
Denise’s mother Piera, who said the birthmark and the shape of the eyes were ‘exactly the same’ as her daughter’s. She added that there had been numerous false alarms in the past, so she would not allow herself to get her hopes up.
But the media can get your hopes up for you…
Last night the McCanns’ family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: ‘If these reports are true it is fantastic news for her family. But it would also give hope to Kate and Gerry because this is exactly the sort of situation that could prove that a child can go missing and be found safe and well.’
If…
THE SCOTSMAN: “Remains may be missing girl”
ISRAELI divers yesterday found a suitcase containing remains police believe belong to a missing girl whose grandfather is being held on suspicion of killing her.
The discovery in Tel Aviv’s Yarkon River marked a breakthrough in the case of four-year old Rose Pizem – missing since May. Her disappearance has transfixed Israel.
HA-ARETZ (Israel): “Until the next tragedy”
Faced with a suspect with a devilish face, an exciting and unusual family story, searches in the river - the Yarkon has never before raised such interest - and a murder without a body, we absolutely wallowed in this story. Oh, how we loved hearing the sexologist talk about the couple’s therapy the two lovers received, grandfather and mother forever. How we wanted to peek further and further into the “Israeli Madeleine McCann” family, which suddenly appeared in our lives; we invaded it with a mixture of voyeurism, gossip and a pinch, just a pinch, of real concern for the missing girl’s fate. Someone will make a film about it.
GREAT YARMOUTH MERCURY: “Visit church in cyberspace”
At 900 years old, a global opening ceremony for Great Yarmouth’s magnificent parish church might seem somewhat belated…
But in cyber world virtual people called avatars are teleporting into St Nicholas’ for a zoom around the vestry or even a stroll on the roof.
For the landmark building has been transported lock stock and wonky weather cock into the 3D virtual reality world of Second Life and now ranks among hundreds of real buildings turned into cartoon locations on the booming internet enterprise where 10m people from all over the world mingle.
Second Life…
Playboy has its own bunny-shaped island and British police have posted missing Madeleine McCann posters on virtual buildings.
Have you seen Madeleine McCann?
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September 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Well, that and all the necessary logistical improbabilities such a cover-up would have required.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
The law in Italy is that a person is not officially recognised as a missing person until they have been missing for 24 hours. Unbelievably, this included children as well. The mother of Denise Pipitone was attempting to change the law for children.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Billin? Oh, poor dear.
I don’t discount anything. I am the closest thing to neutral, although I become less so with every crazy theory I see floated here.
I can absolutely understand the motivation to cover up an accident to protect their medical careers and their custody of the two remaining children. Of course I can. I also can see how remarkably easy that would have been to do. Accidents happen to young children all the time, and there would have been dozens of ways to have covered one. If they were afraid of a negligence charge, all they would have needed to do would have been wait a bit to report it. While it is much, MUCH less likely, if they’d given the child an accidental overdose of some medicine that everyone seems to keep about, they could have easily said, “Oh my dear God! I didn’t know he had already given her, her meds, and I gave them to her again!”
My point being that any accident we have managed to imagine in the past year could have very easily been covered without the need for some huge conspiracy. The parents could have skated out of there on May 4th, we’d have never heard a word about it, their friends, families, and colleagues would have felt nothing but sympathy, and they’d be merrily back at it. They didn’t.
I ask you, if you had found your child dead as a result of your negligence (happens all the time, whether by unattended drugs, carelessly closed gates, uncovered pools, whatever) you’d report her death, right? If you were scared that you’d lose custody of your other children, and you decided to make up an alibi, would it be the simplest possible story, involving the fewest people, or some version of Dr. EEvil’s extraordinarily slow-moving, dipping mechanism? And when the police expressed their sympathy, closed the case, and allowed you to resume your life, you’d go, right?
It’s the,”You can just keep attacking me, you can keep threatening me, but I’m not going to shut up, and I’m not going to go away!” response that convinces me there was no accidental death and cover-up.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Miss match
Hi
September 12th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
He is a doctor they act fast he said it himself
September 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Julie, no, I don’t not think there is any system in place - but am not sure
Piera Maggio (Denise’s mother) is a fighter, I do admire her - she has also been fighting to hae her stepdaughter investigated, from what I remember she feels it is a family affair
Yes, your right, every missing child deserves to be found, and as parents or guardians, we have the duty of doing everything in our power first of all to prevent them from being lost/taken….
September 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Just reported in La Sicilia that the child in Greece is not Denise Pipitone and is indeed the daughter of the Roma mother proven by DNA.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Okay liza, you’ve got me pinned…..
Firstly, and as i have said many times, we know from the extracts from the files that Madeliene was seen alive at 1730hrs on the 3rd May.
We also know GM returned around1900 hrs.
Lets just say for arguments sake that Madeleine was dead prior to him returning. In that time Gerry McCann has got to come to terms with the fact that his beautiful daughter is now deceased. Not only that he has to concoct a plan that would be believed by the world and any evidence of his daughters death to be hidden.
In that time he has also gotten ready for the evening and turned up with his wife first at the tapas bar and then to hold a conversation with another couple regarding there favourite game of tennis.
This is a start. Would you like to give me a reason as to why my thinkings are illogical?
September 12th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
but he was a grave digger/ lorry driver and a loner not a Doctor with bessie mates
September 12th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I’ve been reading almost every article I could find on Denise today. It’s very sad, as I read some letters from her mother appealing that there be some form of mechanism put in place to distribute her missing daughter’s picture. (Not only her own missing daughter but other missing children as well).
These were her words in one of the letters I read :
“Unfortunately, there is no organisation in Italy that helps parents of people who have disappeared to circulate the photos or anything else that could be useful. Those who can, fight on their own.”
Now even though this letter was written almost two years ago, it’s very sad that the mother of a missing child had to fight to circulate photos of her daughter. I do believe that it has changed in Italy since then (Liza?).
Every country worldwide should have organisations who assist parents of missing children to distribute their images as quickly and effectively as possible.
Every missing child has the right to be found!
September 12th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Cheshire Set
Further to your post about the moors murderers, the yorkshire ripper also was capable of normal behaviour around other people after attacking women. He admitted to the police that he had returned to mutilate the body of one of his victims after she had been dead and undiscovered for 10 days - there was a family party at his house that night and he visited the murder scene - a rubbish dump - on his way back from giving a relative a lift home. He used a knife from his own kitchen set to attack the rotting body then went home and mingled with the remaining guests.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
pam, have you read the enfants kidnappes site, there is a paragraph there relating to the press coverage, it might explain the italien press’s reticence.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Garth, OMG I can’t help liking you even though you are practically un-pin-downable, I mean, you always have these two- or three-word retorts instead of really debating!
So Ok, please give me an abstract of how you believe accidental death can be ruled out.
(unless, God forbid, you have tried to cover up an accidental death yourself and were unsuccessful and so feel nobody else could manage) (before you ask, no, I never had to cover up anything of the sort - thank God!)
September 12th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
liza Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Plus, how can you rule out the accidental death/cover up scenario? Based on what?
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Rational thinking?
Logic?
Erm……….. common sense?
Must say you’ve asked a good one there liza.
September 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
See what I mean, Liza? I had left out the alliterative insults, because they are pretty much confined to me.
The Italian press is interesting though. I’m not sure where you live there, but the papers, and the missing child’s mother, all seem to be unusually rational and balanced, pragmatically reserving judgement and urging others to do the same.
While it’s not the way I usually think of Italian papers, it’s awfully refreshing.
September 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Julie - sure, you’re right - I hope this is cleared up in the best interests of the girl (whoever her mother is)
September 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Hey Pam but if some posters are crazy, how can you blame them for it?
Plus, how can you rule out the accidental death/cover up scenario? Based on what?
As I already said, my work has a lot to do with doctors, and I had a first hand experience with a well know physician being investigated (he was fully cleared, it was his boss who was guilty) on charges of extortion - well believe me, in just one day his whole career went down the drain. I’m not talking about hospital work - he was tenured, he wouldn’t lose his job
I’m talking about academic advancement (he was getting his professorship - the whol process was blocked) and prestige etc
Physicians are incredibly ambitious, and it seems that health care is not the most impoirtant part of their work …
All this to underscore that unless doctors in the UK are completely different from here in Italy, there would be a very good reason to hide accidental death, even though maybe they would not have been charged with manslaughter but just with neglect
Anyway, better get back to billing!
September 12th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
brandon flours Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
clouseu
no such luck, stay and be astounded by the wisdom of garth and pam.
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Because you aint gonna get any from BF. That is a dead cert.
September 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
lizard people
September 12th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
I’ve had two close family members’ birthday yesterday and today so just logged in (all birthdayd out) to read Pam’s brilliant post. Well done there Pammy girl, in a nutshell!!
September 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
No probs Liza. I have an interest in missing children, and therefore any case I hear of interests me. If this little girl is not Denise, and she is not the biological child of the woman she was with (who has apparently lied that she was her daughter, and then admitted she was not) … then who is she? She has to be somebody’s child - perhaps if not Denise, then another missing child case could be solved?
September 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Pam Says:
September 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Liza, dear, you see the thing is, YOU’RE not crazy. At least I haven’t seen any evidence of it here. You seem rational and open-minded. Your posts are clearly worded and organized logically.
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See liza, i told you that yesterday. But you won’t listen….
Pam
Apologies for not showing the remainder of your excellent post so instead I’ll sumarise…….
Crackpots!
September 12th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
yes, i can see the wosiness now.
September 12th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
really must go back later
September 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
who let proffessor piss pot pending out? Garth i can cope with he just talks shit…..the other one not a fucking clue what she is on about…..I mean fuck me Elizabeth Smart….thats the sort of person we are dealing with…in Mr Ickes words a repeater or should that be raptor
September 12th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Julie thanks for the link, I wasn’t doubting Pam had read it, I was just saying that (I live in Italy) the press reports I read do not state that DNA assay had actually been run
September 12th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
clouseu
no such luck, stay and be astounded by the wisdom of garth and pam.
September 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Liza, dear, you see the thing is, YOU’RE not crazy. At least I haven’t seen any evidence of it here. You seem rational and open-minded. Your posts are clearly worded and organized logically.
I think, if you’ll read back a bit, you’ll find that puts you in a minority. What happens here is not usually debating–although that would be fun. ++ EDIT ++ A precis would be Madeleine McCann is missing. That is an accepted fact ++END EDIT++
Since then, they have repeatedly inserted themselves into the public eye, inviting constant investigation and re-evaluation of their every move,++ EDIT++ allegedly in other posters’ opinions ++END EDIT++ not because they wish to find or learn what happened to their daughter, but because they are ego-driven big shots. And, then, then, THEN, they started a fund so they could be rich! Although they aren’t rich, and we can see where the money went, because it’s all public, but, anyway, if you don’t agree with us, you’re just a f*cking, f*ckwit, half f*cking half-f*ckwit, c*nt, tw*t, hag, bitch, fag, proMCIVF (STILL don’t know what the eff THAT means), piece of sh*t.”
And it goes on and on and on. Please don’t trust me; I beg you to look for yourself.
Rel&editaw1842BST
September 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
The answer is simple.
DNA profile everyone in the world, at the same time that you are fingerprinted, given your ID card and your microchip, and have your “One World” i.d. number tattooed on the inside of your left arm.
There are plenty of governments around the world who would do it
September 12th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Fooled by their own foolish beliefs Brandon.
