I agree with you. I had just turned 40 when my little girl was born, but I think any later than mid 40’s could be unfair to the child. I certainly do not agree with IVF treatment for 60 year olds! But on the other hand, we, the parents had lived great part of our lives by then (had all the fun, etc.) before becoming a parent, and now I’m totally committed to my daughter and her needs. I don’t need the going-out, having fun, etc. etc. that younger mothers still long for when they have kids at a very young age. For me the change in lifestyle was quite easy because of what I have said before.

I’m glad you have your daughter now and I think IVF is great - the only problem I’ve noticed with some older couples who’ve had IVF or adopted or had kids late is that they sometimes find it difficult to change their lifestyle after years as a couple that can work and socialise when they want… and sometimes one changes and the other doesn’t… or they’re perfectionist and can’t cope with how messy and crappy family life can be… or they wanted the kid so much it can’t live up to their expectations…

I’ve noticed that the richer and more successful the couple are the more likely that they have those problems…

But it’s got nothing to do with IVF just habits…

I have an extreme phobia for eggs. I can’t stand the sight, smell or even the sound of the word. I don’t mind the word written or raw eggs.

By extreme I mean I shake, cry, scream and have to get away… I was very annoying in hotels and cafés when I was small…

visit us later?

check out later she was surrounded by dogs woof woof nothing changes

I see that Jo is still going on about the IVF issue in this thread. I don’t know if any of the posters here have undergone any assisted reproduction procedures, but I HAVE, and as such I believe I know more about it than Jo.

I would like to clarify once and for all for anybody who has any doubts about this procedure:

It does not involve any genetic manipulation. The success rate is only in the order of 15%. Patients are told about this before hand and counseling is offered if needed before deciding on the procedure. There is no damage to the mother. It is only hormones that are injected to stimulate ovulation. IVF babys have no more nor less ailments that a naturally conceived baby.

As for adoption vs. IVF, some countries do not allow adoption after the parents are of a certain age, hence assisted reproduction is the last option.

I have known many parents who had children through assisted reproduction procedures (IVF and GIFT). Believe me, they all went through much emotional and financial ups and downs to get their wish of having a child and give all their love to those babies. It is not easy and it sometimes takes several years to finally achieve a successful pregnancy.

In my case, IVF did not work. But I was fortunate and very, very lucky to have conceived my daughter naturally a while after that. She is my little miracle and I treasure her every day, 9 years later.

IVF is a wonderful option for some and not for others. The same as some couples decide NOT to have children, others WANT a child and are prepared to try anything possible.

The reality is that as time goes by, more babies will born with assisted reproduction. Women are having children at an older age (for various reasons) and their peak fertility is a the age of 25. After that age, it declines and at 35 or later, it becomes a lot more difficult to conceive naturally.

My apologies to M&A for getting out of topic, but I believe this subject needed some clarification from someone who has undergone this procedure.

Bye for now.

M and A

It isn’t off topic Daisy , it was under discussion yesterday.
Thankyou for telling us your side of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4Uhoik6qI

She refers to “Gerry’s perfomance” speaking to the media. Is that a normal word under these circonstances?

She does not talk about her feelings of guilty, by having left the children alone.

I think I understand it. She knew this diary could fall in the hands of other people.
And talking about feelings of guilt in this case must be dreadful.
Very painful to admit it.

I hope she can talk about it with a psychologist or psychiater.

September 13th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
Briefly back, Marie. I agree:
- Our extended life expectation is mainly due to washing hands and flushing toilets…
- A woman should not get pregnant [artificially] at 60. It’s a selfish deed …

A woman - or a man for that matter, should not get pregnant at any age if they have an inclination to be selfish and leave their children alone and neglected.
You might as well say that a pigeon should not lay 2 eggs in its flimsy nest, knowing that in most cases only one will survive - how selfish of the pigeon.
If technology is out there - then why shouldnt a woman of 60 take advantage of it - my mother is nearly 88 and is a very spritely soul, with a good sense of humour and an active mind and body. She could have a kid aged 28 if she had taken advantage of IVF at 60 - but as it stands, she is stuck with me - who at 60, feels no different in my outlook to “modern” things than I did when I had my own son 30 years ago. My granddaugher openly admits that she can talk to me about ANYTHING - even stuff she finds difficult to chat to her parents about - we go swimming, sometimes I follow her down the flume, we have picnics under an umbrella in the rain and we laugh - a lot. AND sometimes we puddle splash with my mother - So you see Chatelaine age is a state of mind and raising children is an art. If you cant do it when you are 30 then I agree that 60 is pushing it a bit - but I know several foster parents who have successfully raised kids as their own, right up to being in their 70’s - so please do not generalise

September 14th, 2008 at 12:36 am
guess who i dont get all satire so i dont know whats satirical about that then. nevermind. good night to you.

Satıre…. just a posh word for takıng the pıss!