Comments on: Madeleine McCann: Adopted by Angelina Jolie, And The Changeling

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:27:37 +0000

“It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it.”

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:18:43 +0000

Your concern to my propensity for vertigo is touching agw if somewhat misplaced, if you are aware of the selective requests for links and see that as fair, then on that point we shall have to disagree.

-agw: I do not debate in here. The situation is fairly simple. You and others have on many occasions been asked to provide links or cross references. I neither know nor wish to know the exact reasons for those specific requests. Often slip-shod, badly translated or doubtful cross references have led, not to to censure but removal of whole posts. That is fact. This has happened rarely, if ever, in your case and, I think I’m right in saying, other issues may have caused any clashes you may have had with Mods.
When posters make the ‘I believe’, or ‘don’t you know’ claims…that is exactly what they are.
I will not get into a discussion of the rights and wrongs of these tedious debates on exacting detail in this case. It bores me witless but I accept there is still a demand for such debate.
What you may not do is attack the Moderators.

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:13:37 +0000

You honour me agw with your interest, do you have an opinion that is for public consumption. I take it from your indicitive statement that links are no longer required, and aspersions can be cast as a matter of course. As for your “arsehole alert” have you tried any of the various ointments available for your affliction ?, piles must be very embarassing, all that squirming.

-agw: The alert was for the totally unnecessary snipe at the Moderators. You know much better than that. I repeat Moderators can not and do dictate what SHALL be written …nor do you rise to those giddy heights. Your cross refs are good but nought to crow about.
You get a fair crack of the whip here.
Do not make me use it differently. ..and I sit reasonably comfortably, thank you for your concern.

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:06:33 +0000

We must join in projecting harmonious thoughts in the direction of Madeleine, and hope that her abductor(s) are soon to be apprehended.

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:35:54 +0000

Excellent post from earlier in the thread, lots of eggy faces on this one.
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++++++++On the locations and the pieces that were marked and signaled by the blood dog, forensics tests were performed, especially at a reputed British laboratory (Forensic Science Service – check Appendixes I and VII – FSS Final Report) but also, some of them at the reputed National Institute of Forensics Medicine (check Appendix I), whose final results did not corroborate the canine markings, which is to say, cellular material was collected that was not identified as pertaining to anyone specific, and it was not even possible to determine the quality of that material (v.g. whether it could be blood or another type of bodily fluid).
FINAL REPORT.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:19:43 +0000

Or have them withdraw their statement, or enlarge on actually what did happen and who is responsible for any crime against Madeleine, remember be careful.

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:17:08 +0000

In an astonishing U-turn, police revealed that “human remains” found at the former home were almost all animal bones, and that only three were “possibly human”, which dated from between 1470 and 1670.
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I do like to supply a link, perhaps mods can have the “no abduction” afficinados supply the same courtesy, full official and unabridged.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3446050/Jersey-abuse-case-detectives-rubbish-claims-of-murder-or-torture.html?mobile=true

Arsehole alert. That was no need for that crack and Moderators are not responsible for the construction of posts. Content is their only concern, and they do a good job.
Be fair: they are.
-agw

By: Grande Finale

Grande Finale — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:06:40 +0000

Good Boy Eddie :raz:

By: Grande Finale

Grande Finale — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:59:54 +0000

“It is important to note that a substantial amount of animal bone has been recovered from the site as a whole. The EVRD has ignored all such material whilst alerting to confirmed human remains.”

EVRD - Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog

By: Grande Finale

Grande Finale — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:12:53 +0000

Stig I checked out the blog you refer to, apart from being about 3 miles long, the whole could be covered with a Whitewash brush!

By: sam

sam — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:01:40 +0000

the real stig, where is the false positive ? human remains were found, that is not a false positive.

By: The Real Stig

The Real Stig — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:42:57 +0000

Grande Finale

The 1950 ‘possible dating’ is the less likely option for that particular bone fragment, the more likely date was 1650 or so. There is no confirmation that the three bone fragments are even human at all:

““possibly” human” timesonline

Read here how the dogs were employed in detail, what they reacted to etc, then compare it with the reality which has now unfolded.:

http://tinyurl.com/6at3cn

False positives.

By: Grande Finale

Grande Finale — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:38:26 +0000

Rasputin Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:24 am
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A reversal of arguido status doesn’t rule out being charged with a crime with the presentation of new evidence, does it Raspie ?

I do agree with you though that there is no forensics to back up a claim of kidnapping!

By: sam

sam — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:32:58 +0000

yes, try that montaillou. wish i could help but i don’t know either how to do such.

By: Rasputin

Rasputin — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:24:41 +0000

The parents have been released from suspicion along with RM, there are only two remaining possibilities if there is nothing to implicate the three former arguidos. That does not include the nonsense in the over active minds of the conspiracy mongers.

By: Montaillou

Montaillou — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:24:15 +0000

Thanks GF and Sam, I do have flash installed and the latest update but it doesn’t always seem to trigger when it should and someone told me the other day that it was an issue with Vista. For instance I can’t run videos from Sky News or sometimes YouTube. Obviously needs a bit more investigation at my end. Unfortunately my iT guy is in hospital with cancer at the moment, so I’ll have to consult my olng-suffeing son remotely, should have thought of it last night.

Thanks again.

By: sam

sam — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:18:17 +0000

montaillou, it just occured to me, and you did say it, but if your flash isn’t working then no, you wouldn’t see it, if that box is flash.

By: Grande Finale

Grande Finale — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:17:43 +0000

Montaillou Says:
November 13th, 2008 at 12:14 am
I give up, I think it’s me. No moving headlines or names anywhere.
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It is flash based you must have flash installed and enabled.

By: sam

sam — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:17:03 +0000

good night montaillou

By: Grande Finale

Grande Finale — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:15:23 +0000

As far as the Maddie case goes the dogs were an indication, along with numerous other indications. These numerous indications were not pointing to a kidnapping.

As I believe Rasputin will tell you there is no forensics to back up a claim of kidnapping!