Madeleine McCann: Adopted by Angelina Jolie, And The Changeling
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann, Kate McCann and Gerry McCann
DAILY MAIL: “A mother leaves her child while she goes out - and returns to an empty house. No, not the McCann case but the true story behind a gripping new film”
Fact. Fiction. Can you spot the difference?
She was a devoted mother, hard-working, determined and tough. Then, one spring morning, Christine Collins kissed her little child goodbye (leaving him under the eye of neighbours), before returning in the evening to an empty house. Her beloved son had vanished without a trace.
A continent-wide hunt was launched and a shocked nation was kept agog by a string of leads - only for their hopes to be cruelly dashed as each clue led to a dead end.
The child was never seen again, the mother was heartbroken and the community was left divided by suspicion and mistrust.
Terrible. Just terrible. Does it work out in the end?
It could be the tragic story of Kate and Gerry McCann and their three-year-old daughter, Madeleine, who was abducted last year while on holiday in Portugal, and who remains missing to this day.
It could be, albeit with better lighting, a decent cast and a 15 certificate… Gone, Baby, Gone…
But, in fact, it is the plot of Clint Eastwood’s latest film, Changeling, which opens in Britain later this month.
But it’s all false, right? Angelina Jolie is only acting, right? Unless she adopted Madeleine?
It is all the more powerful because it is based on a horrific true story. The so-called ‘Wineville chicken coop murders’ took place on the outskirts of Los Angeles in 1928.
And while they happened 80 years before Maddie McCann disappeared, there are startling parallels between the two.
The McCanns’ grim experience in Praia de Luz - and how they were made suspects by bungling local police - was widely reported.
But Christine Collins suffered even worse treatment at the hands of the LA Police Department. As the investigation into her missing child failed to yield results, she was even locked up in a mental asylum.
It’s enough to drive you maaaaad. Maaaaad, I tell yer…
As in the McCann case, rumour followed rumour.
Each one recorded for posterity…
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November 9th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
i have a dishwasher thanks
November 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
garth and gandolph fall into the disgusting category also , for refusing to see how awful it was to leave them all those nights alone in a strange place , for defending that behaviour
November 9th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
doris Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Montaillou , yes mrs fenn statement , how heartbreaking to read what those children went through ,disgusting , and mcconn cant even acknowledge that that treatment was beyond contempt and was willful neglect and abandonment
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doris
You sad little case
go and do the dishesd ffs.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Hi Garth
You are one of the few stalwarts on this forum and I agree, there is very little to say,
that, and the heavy-handed moderation is the reason most posters have disappeared.
I don”t think the McCanns are blameless, and DEFINITELY think it strange that
1. They have received such support….. do they really need a spokesman now ?
2. Why, when they have so many astute businessmen on their side and Goverment
and Police support do they continue to pay exhorbitant sums to Agencies who have
absolutely no experience in finding missing children?
3. As the parent of a missing child, no matter how useful you thought a recon would
be, wouldn”t you agree to attend folr the sake of your daughter?
November 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Montaillou , yes mrs fenn statement , how heartbreaking to read what those children went through ,disgusting , and mcconn cant even acknowledge that that treatment was beyond contempt and was willful neglect and abandonment
November 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
“It certainly wasn’t a family holiday where alone of all the families these poor kids were consigned to the creche morning and afternoon every single day and seem to have had a maximum of about twenty minutes play time with their parents at bath time before being abandoned to their own devices every long dark evening”.
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Thats your opinion of course but what has that got to do with anything?
Am i right……. do you find them guilty because your opinions are based on nothing more than their actions?
Course it is………… nuff said!
November 9th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Who is the latest windylickin fukwit montiloo or some fekin poncy moniker, you fukwit aint got an arguement if you did your targets would be in court, now fek off and stop letting Garth put you to the sword you sad bag of wind and piss, woof woof my arse.
PS a little present for clueless fukwit number 2……… On page 3418-a YVONE MARTIN was questioned, who offered some information, which, despite its pertinence, did not show any relevance, pages 3421-a and following.
Stick that in your arse and light the blue touchpaper clueless……..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QUSDS9pkA2Y
November 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
val , not just amaral , its several letters that were sent to all involved , solicitors , clarence etc and none have replied ,they can all be read by all on madeleinefoudation.org , it will be interesting to see their next move , too much has been made public now for them to think this will go away
November 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Gaffy, if you think some of the posters of one camp have hung themselves or more accurately hanged themselve, what do you suppose has happened to waspy and pammy, perhaps they’ve been aducted, there seems to be a lot of it around these days.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Hi Doris, Val Clouseau xx
Doris you are right, they have big problem and I think it may be tied up with something on the other side which has mysteriously been whoosh clunked for the moemnt. There has for instance been some interesting stuff about freemasonry washing around, which has bearing on a certain person’s weird flip chart and the same person’s truly bizarre greeting of the police, not hearsya but socumented in Sylvia Baptisa’s testimony.
Val - how right you are, Mrs F with absolutely no reason to tell porkies - how long was it? At least an hour and a quarter if she started crying just after the previous check and more likely much longer. A child in distress for that length of time could do anything - wander out in search of her mummy and daddy and suffer some tragic accident, or vomit and choke for instance. It certainly wasn’t a family holiday where alone of all the families these poor kids were consigned to the creche morning and afternoon every single day and seem to have had a maximum of about twenty minutes play time with their parents at bath time before being abandoned to their own devices every long dark evening.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
And their off…………
The only thing you lot are good at is convincing yourselves and each other.
No wonder it goes quiet on this forum going by the level on conversation we are currently enduring.
I’m sure some posters have hung themselves.
November 9th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
val , at the moment they are watching something that has given them a big problem and have said that they will sue someone involved with what they are reading , they have no answers and will not reply to perfectly polite letters that have been written to all concerned , they have a problem and its not going to go away
November 9th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Montaillou
I think that Mrs. Fenns statement proves the M cCanns lied about how often they checked on their children and is quite damning, so what else have they lied about?
They have been very quiet of late, no new sightings, no more threats to sue, just
what are this “crack” team doing to earn thneir £500,000.00?
November 9th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
been there and done it already , I like the 30 reasons which for me sums it up , read it yourself and then tell me what you think
November 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Thanks for your earlier reply Garth, now have more of an idea where you are coming from.
Did you not find it strange that JT kept changing her testimony inluding a change on what side of the street that Gerry and friend were? (The Panorama interview showed a different side from the side in the diagram in the published police statement) also the pyjamas in her photofit don’t compare with the real ones (which wouldn’t have come so low down the leg and so snugly fitting), also sodium lighting bad so how could she see the colours anyway, also why no other people at all saw what she did? just wondering whether or not you question these details? it is these discrepancies that make the sighting less credible to most people. like most things in this case - there is no proof that it did happen and no proof that it didn’t.
November 9th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Cadaver evidence can only be corroborated by ultimately finding a cadaver can it not? and no cadaver has been found to date, hence no corroborating evidence. Had there been a cadaver lying about in a holiday apartment previously one would think it might have been known and documented even by an organisation as inefficient as MW. Or perhaps it was ‘Oh look, here’s a cadaver that the last people left behind them!’ ‘OMG these holiday makers are such filthy beasts, can’t they take their cadavers away with them when they leave?’ ‘Well errr what shall we do about it?’ ‘Do abou tit? S just get rid of it along witht he rest of the garbage they left behind, we don’t want that Amaral felllow sniffing around with his dratted imported dogs. Go on, hurry up about it, then get off back to eastern Europe where you came from. I don’t want to hear any more about it.’
Blood evidence had been tampered with by cleaning - reaswonable enough, it’s what anyone would do in normal circumstances, but there was still a reasonable DNA match first time round, then something seems to have happened later or someone changed their opinion.
Witnesses so-called, in the immediate group at least, changed their stories and versions of stories so many time that that in itself is a wee bit suspicious, more so than the other ‘witnesses’ who were probably just exteremely woolly headed temp staff without their minds on the job.
And behaviour of the grieving duo was so bizarre as to draw attention to their neglectful and totally unparent-like behaviour.
Anyone heard yet what happened to the other side?
November 9th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
doris Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
goad goad goad
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Just wondering if any of the Amaral lovers can put together an sensible argument really.
It would appear not. Would you like to ‘ave a go doris?
November 9th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
goad goad goad
November 9th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Montaillou
What blood?
The spatters on the wall from the subsequent tenant - a man?
November 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Montaillou Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
In many criminal investigations there is a wealth of evidence but often the most difficult thing is to firm up on corroborating evidence in order to bring a case to court.
Often that is because the corroborating evidence has been deligerately destroyed or corrupted by the perpetrators.
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So please tell, what evidence was corrupted? The blood spatters? No? The cadaver? No? Give in then……….
November 9th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
No not really.
Where’s the evidence that backs up your theory that someone actually died in the apartment? I’ve already stated some of the possibilities but you seem to know for sure.
So come on, elaborate a little more with some evidence to back up your claim.
November 9th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Of the many photos of the PJ at work on the crime scene, can anyone link to a photo which includes the great all knowing detective Amaral, hard at work?
The eagle eyed one, who, while hard at work, spots Gerry driving past and is even able to discern his expression. A remarkable feat of observation in that I believe there is a car park and trees between the apartment and road.
November 9th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Evidence that death occurred in the premises during the most recent let immediately prior to the dogs’ visit and that there had been bleeding and blood spatter that would certainly not be explained by small children’snose bleeds. What I think happened may be that a potential abductor rushed into the premises, either through the closed shutters or the open door, tripped over the coffee table, , cut himself or herself on a stray New Zealand winebottle, somersaulted over the sofa, struck his head and died in situ, where an accomplice found him after a couple of hours’ searching, carefully removed his body over the balcony, returned to make some cursory efforts at tidying up, then bethought himself to complete the original plan and made off both with M and the dead no. 1 abductor, all in the space of time varying from 5 to 30 minutes depending on whose story you believe. That, apart from another well held theory abducted by aliens, is the most likely scenario imnsho. Happy?
November 9th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Scandi
Damning evidence indeed. A grim look you say??
November 9th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Come on then M im still waiting…
You’ve got yourself a discussion and made claims that there is plenty of evidence. So lets hear it……….
November 9th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Montaillou Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Garfy read and understand, like your little friend waspy who seems to have gone off in a huff with others. There is evidence and there is a fair body of evidence.
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Evidence implying what exactly then because i need to know your argument?
November 9th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Garfy read and understand, like your little friend waspy who seems to have gone off in a huff with others. There is evidence and there is a fair body of evidence. I did not say what I thought the evidence implied, although I certianly have an opinion. The dogs do not make mistakes, therefore it is likely that there was blood and death scent where marked. No-one previously is known to have died in either the apartmen or the hire car, and as for the clothes and toy that were marked?? There was evidence in the strange stories, changed stories, obfuscation and abnormal behaviour of the nine and particularly of the two. In many criminal investigations there is a wealth of evidence but often the most difficult thing is to firm up on corroborating evidence in order to bring a case to court. Often that is because the corroborating evidence has been deligerately destroyed or corrupted by the perpetrators. All the more reason then that interested parties should discuss and speculate and in other places plough patiently through mobile phone and other records. We can all disagree, we may all be wrong but we can enjoy a discussion. Unfortunately a lot of your friends tend to repeat single silly phrases like ‘no evidence’ ad nauseam without contributing to the discussion.
What seems sinister to me at this moment is that another major sit eseems ot have gone donw again after something similar happened both here and there only a few days ago, and that some of the most distingushed posters have recently stopped posting.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Hi Matt,
About the dogs, I do know that they were brought to search the McCann Villa first and the next day the dogs were brought to search 5A. It was said while the work was going on at 5A Gerry was seen to drive by the apt with a rather grim look on his face.
That came either from Amaral’s book or the Final Report - I think the book.
November 9th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Grande Finale Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Do you think that Eddie got excited when entering the apartment because a Bitch had been in there ?
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How would i know where you take your holidays?
November 9th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Garth Says:
November 9th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Poorpriest
Just for clarity, my point was with regard to the so called ‘doggy’ evidence that Montaillou implies as ‘fact’ to some underhand goings on on the part of the McCanns.
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Do you think that Eddie got excited when entering the apartment because a Bitch had been in there ?