Comments on: Baby P: Like Diana’s Death, I Was There

By: jill

jill — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:43:40 +0000

I would like to know the name of the mother of Baby P.

By: Judge Dread

Judge Dread — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:42:38 +0000

When Maddie disappeared I was hauled over the coals by posters on Anorak for daring to suggest that we as a society were too tolerent of negligence towards children. The case of baby P confirms that negligence right to the top of the Social Services Department employing people on hugh salaries to ensure it dosen’t happen.

I originally laid no blame on the child minder until I read her story in todays NOTW. Now as far as I am concerned, she is a guilty as the people who inflicted the actual injuries.

To claim she was scared of the stepdad does not absolve her of blame. As a child minder she had a duty of care to the child and no one else. That duty included informing the police if Social Services ignored her.

By: coolandcalm

coolandcalm — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:00:25 +0000

Yes June…. I had been trying to figure out the anonymity (over and over again as you know!) and suddenly that seemed logical. I can see that to identify them would prejudice anything further.

sadly the whole furore fired by the Sun has ensured that at least one of them will be protected by the law forever and possibly all three if the hysteria-whipping up continues.

By: June

June — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:08:18 +0000

Yossarian pointed out in an earlier thread that the mother’s partner may be up on more charges.

By: coco

coco — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:13:00 +0000

Karen …… Coz some Judge has decided from information known only to other Judges - and deduced in his wisdom that it’s best to keep her identity secret in case the inmates take over which ever prison they eventually put her in.

Nobody is interested in protecting childen in this country.

Nobody goes out on a limb - except the people who think they can. But of course - they are precisely the ones that can’t. The only people that can help - won’t do it - in case they upset the very people at the very top …….. who errrrrr ….. have other interests.

However - the Home Office is vey interested in protecting the institutions that are supposed to protect the perpetrators of crimes against minors.- and of course the governors of those prisons - who may just have been to the right school or pissed in the same pot at the Masonic Hall!

Have you ever seen what happens inside a prison when there is a riot? Bedlam!

Strangeways in Manchester hardly showed any pictures of what happened to the plumbing, water and electric within its wings that were totally destroyed.

Prison riots are a best-kept secret - Unless we have a Blunkett in charge - who didn’t want to make a name for himself! - so he threatened to bring the Army in

It’s a shame we got rid of Blunkett. Such a shame - Coz we could have had martial law in prisons - now - to keep the inmates under control.

By: Karen

Karen — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:22:49 +0000

I know the name of the baby and the name of the Mother and the boyfriend and what they look like. It’s all over the web.

Why are the names covered up for legal reasons - does anyone know?

And how come the public can have BBC producers sacked but not crap doctors and crap social work managers??? Or even the police - what did they back down for????

Moderator: They are very powerful legal reasons. Less is more.

By: ian josephs

ian josephs — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:49:30 +0000

Most people seem more intent on wreaking vengeance on the murderers of baby p than preventing the same situation occurring again; May I therefore make a suggestion?
Social services plead shortage of staff and financial resources as excuses for overlooking torture of children (even after 60 visits to baby P ). In other European countries they take children from parents only if they have been severely physically or sexually abused but in Britain we waste most of out valuable resources fighting cruel cases in secret and costly courts to remove children and even new born babies at “risk of emotional harm” and for similar lesser reasons.The guardians +++Edit+++ of baby P would never have gone to court to fight for his return if he had been taken earlier as guardians +++Edit+++ that violently physically abuse their children avoid courts like the plague !

Physical torture KILLS KILLS KILLS !!!
Emotional abuse does NOT
Poor school attendance does NOT
A cluttered house does NOT
Witnessing domestic violence does NOT
Hostility to the “professionals” does NOT
A parent with learning problems does NOT
Where therefore should the “SS” priorities lie?
I’m only asking !!
I would have thought myself it was MORE IMPORTANT to concentrate on preventing babies being tortured rather than the more common rush to remove babies AT BIRTH from mothers whom some highly paid psychobabble merchants have decided may at some future date emotionally harm their babies !Crystal ball gazing ?

If all the resources of child protection were used to examine thoroughly all those children suspected of having been seriously physically or sexually abused thousands of children’s lives would be saved.At present our resources are wasted fighting in courts to remove happy healthy children from their parents for risk of emotional abuse and similar non life endangering symptoms.Only parents that truly love their children fight through the gruelling ritual of the secret family courts and against all common sense they nearly always lose If they dare to protest publicly more than 200 parents a year are jailed (answer to a parliamentary question) for breaking the “omerta” wall of secrecy ! !If only mothers facing a life sentence by losing children to forced adoption had the right to a hearing by jury most of the present injustices would disappear.In short ,what is needed is simply concentration on eradicating physical child abuse and hearings by jury who would rarely take children in other cases siuch as “emotional abuse”,cluttereddwellings, poor school attendance etc.

Moderator - Baby P’s father was not a party to the torture and abuse, I have substituted ‘guardians’ for parents

By: sara smith

sara smith — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:50:48 +0000

oh god someone help these children from these sadists. By that I also mean the authorities responsible for their part in the neglect of babies such as darling baby P. We must never forget him. And what kind of society will we be if children are left in charge of the likes of Ms Shoestring, Ms Tarby and Ms Ward. For god sake smearing chocolate is the oldest trick in the book to cover up wounds. They all knew what was going on but chose to ignore. And lack of funding or poor pay for social workers is no excuse. Social workers are paid far more than teachers. If the head of BBC 2 can resign over the Brand and Ross issue then why have the above named not resigned a year later.+++Edit+++ They are a disgrace as are P’s mother +++Edit+++. Poor P even tho’ a home was found for him it is evident money took precedence over his life. Well how much money are we now spending protecting his so called mother and yet another meaningless inquiry, when we should be protecting the children. Look at the women suffering in Congo. I don’t see them brutalising their children on the contrary they are protecting them. There is far too much for sadistic evil villains like P’s mum. She can’t use poverty or mental reasons as a defence. People like her just have too much. Enough is enough. We are a disgrace around the world following this nightmare. And I still can’t sleep thinking of how he must have suffered, but no one will listen to us it’s only what the politicians want that counts and the protection of Labour councillors by a Labour government.

By: SpongeBob

SpongeBob — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:35:25 +0000

I have a friend who was a social worker, and a very good one. Because he was good, he had more and more crap piled upon him, and every day he was worrying about making the wrong decision; making a decision that might hurt a child. He eventually found himself a social worker for paedos, and the worst kind, in prison.

He started off being able to switch off from his job and being able to go home to join his family. But, eventually, he could not. There was no support. He was exposed to the worst in society and he had no support. He saved many children from abuse and he had no support.

And when his time came, as it did, he had a nervous breakdown, from which he has never recovered.. I think a personality crumble would be a better description. A man who could debate reasonably on most subjects and could advise on many, (and he advised me on very many) was left to the wolves. A good man.

More support to those who have to support the scum. That’s what we need

By: Andi

Andi — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:16:32 +0000

I am weary of the Baby P news now, but boy I am still angry. If you want a dog, you face rigorous vetting procedures; yet if you can conceive, you can ‘breed’ indefinitely, no questions asked. Having children should be a privilege bestowed on those capable of indefinite, unconditional love; not a right and as a means by which to secure welfare benefits and housing. The lessons from Victoria Climbie’s death (cost: £3.8M) have clearly not been learnt. Perhaps then, the matter of eradicating ‘cause’ in the literal sense, as opposed to ‘symptoms’ is the way forward; a radical overhaul of the criminal justice system which aims to deter, or ‘zero tolerance’. It incenses me that my tax pays these abhorrent individuals to be ‘kept’ at Her Majesty’s pleasure. They will never be ‘reformed’ so why not just get rid of them? And here’s me, the good catholic girl…

My heart aches when I think of the terrible suffering and pain of these children. Enough is enough. Capital punishment may make these monsters think twice; it’s a start anyway.

By: Maureen

Maureen — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:28:43 +0000

I agree with June. The sadistic individuals will always be with us. Every member of our society should be vigilant towards every small child in our society. As for attacking the hearts and minds with pilgrimages? I see it as simple as this. This child’s heartrendering, heartbreaking story has affected us all. I personally have cried buckets over this child since hearing of it. I now know the name of Baby P, but I understand Police are investigating every site that has his name printed and therefore I won’t put his name here. The Sun and other not so known sites have provided a place where we can vent our disgust and the quest for a sentence of life meaning life imprisonment for these monsters. This little Angel died at the hands of brutal people. For once in my life I say ‘If the media can turn this horrendous tragedy into something that can change those angencies’ perception of ‘protect the child’ and ‘don’t worry about ”upsetting” the parents’ by making good protective decisions - the SO BE IT. I’m not a ‘Sun’ reader but I take my hat off to the Sun for challenging the system that thinks ‘that’s the law” and ”that’s just the way it is”. For once the public are shouting ”THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH” and using the medium of the Sun to do it. Good on everyone that subscribes to that thought. We cannot let this happen again. Don’t let this child die in vein. I try not to think about him but when I think that I also think ‘no I should think about this because I’m motivated to shout from the roof tops”.

By: June

June — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:53:17 +0000

It is very sad, its also very sad that 4 children die at the hands of their ‘guardians’ every week in the UK, and 30% of those only have had some contact with welfare.

Perhaps missed doctors appointments should be taken not for what they seem, but a new appointment made very quickly, so the child is seen regularly, and not always at the convenience of the guardian.

Sadistic bastards will always be with us, its a fact of life, and I think society as a whole must accept that, they won’t always be reformable, and their behaviour needs outside control, and even their own flesh and blood are removed from their custody. Regular torture and beatings are not bonding, they are killing.

They cannot be given a second chance, it may be their victims only chance of life

By: Chenier

Chenier — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:44:10 +0000

Not to the Sun; to the Sun it’s just another way to try and sell newspapers. Sickening but entirely predictable…