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1. 8 chenier says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 6:13 pm

   June

   It’s not just the banking classes; it’s just about everyone at the top of the slippery pole. Consider, for example, the directors of the Big 3 car companies who flew into Washington on their corporate jets to demand money from Congress without even having bothered to do any work at all setting out why the poor bloody taxpayer should provide it, or what they would actually spend it on.

   The US is not an example of the Welfare State for anyone other than billionaires…

2. 7 June says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

   One does wonder where the ‘banking classes’ sprang from, perhaps its their worship of money that leads them to the view that they are on Deity’s right hand or perhaps his throne.
   But do agree they have excelled themselves in a display of arrogance and greed, sadly rewarded too.
   But are they from privileged classes or have they become privileged?
   That old saying Noblesse Oblige keeps springing to mind…..

3. 6 chenier says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 5:33 pm

   Garth

   It was a numbskull from the Yorkshire police force who claimed to the media that Karen Matthews was ‘pure evil’; my observation that this is delusional is one of fact.

   Incidentally, you can’t support the claim that something is not delusional by demonstrating that a number of people believe it; quite a lot of people believe in the Rapture, but it is still a delusion…

4. 5 chenier says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 5:29 pm

   Well, when it comes to the the world to owe them a living, many people from more privileged classes do have exactly the same expectation, though they think they are owed a great deal more than a bare living; anyone for a quick trip in the corporate jet to England for a partridge shoot?.

   After all, we have watched a plethora of wealthy men demanding that Governments hand over vast sums of money to them so they can carry on living in the style to which they have accustomned themselves; I’ve been recording it over the last few months, so that the Anorak archives are bulging with examples.

   We have watched as a plethora of the great and the good in the medical profession have turned out to be paid shills for big pharma,; I’ve recorded that for the Anorak archives as well.

   So, there is a global culture in which greed has been claimed, not only not to be bad, but positively claimed to be good; are we surprised that it extends from the highest levels to the sink estates?

   Because if we are, we shouldn’t be…

5. 4 Garth says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

   Garth Says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 5:18 pm

   Chenier loosen up luv. Evil is a broad term. Some people are more evil than others so comparisons to the likes of Peter Tobin are pointless.

   “Evil, in many cultures, is a broad term used to describe intentional negative moral acts or thoughts that are cruel, unjust or selfish. Evil is usually contrasted with good, which describes acts that are kind, just or unselfish. In some religions, evil is an active force, often personified as an entity such as Satan or Ahriman”.

   I hope the above text helps you to put your delusional ‘tripe’ to rest.

6. 3 June says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 5:12 pm

   Fortunately we have no need to know whether she would have agreed to something as horrendous as the torture of her child, so saying she no more cared is an assumption, and not a fact.The outcomes were different because the circumstances were different.

   That there are some obnoxious farts around who do expect the world to owe them a living is something we agree on.

   I think that these two women are from the same socio-economic class is quite interesting, and how many do expect their way paved for them.
   Or would someone from a more privileged strata have a similar attitude?

7. 2 Pamela says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

   She no more cared what happened to her child than did the mother of Baby P. While the outcomes were different, the mothers were not. Both are evil.

   And as an outsider, may I just add that you all seem so conflicted about the
   whole class issue. It’s very much like the “bad childhood” thing here in the
   States. The point is that there are two kinds of people: those who seek only
   someone to blame for their bad behavior and those who were equally screwed
   but lead productive, responsible lives, trying their very best to NOT hurt others as
   they were hurt. Being one of the latter, I cannot muster much sympathy for the
   former.

   Yes, it is a question of class, just not the socio-economic kind.

8. 1 June says:
   December 6th, 2008 at 3:58 pm

   An example for comparison of the word, two mothers both found guilty of harming or permitting harm to their children. One is the afore mentioned Karen Matthews,maternal parent of seven offspring, the other is the mother of Baby P and four other children. Both on benefits ,both dysfunctional mothers obviously, both from the underbelly class of society , and both potentially the parents of blonde blue eyed children. Products both of them of state health and education and welfare, largely lacking in the ability to be educated, they may appear to have robust health, certainly the ability to reproduce frequently being an indicator of reasonable health.

   One allowed the death torture and suffering of her son the other allowed and encouraged the kidnap of her daughter to procure a reasonable sum of money. The former being an evil being , the latter less so and just stupid and greedy and no moral sense of duty to her child.

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