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	<title>Comments on: Whatever Happened To Karen Matthews&#8217; Other Baby?</title>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chenier, again interesting reading, thanks. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chenier, again interesting reading, thanks. <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: chenier</title>
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		<dc:creator>chenier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning sam, morning Karen

The Nottingham Non-Existent Satanic abuse case was one of the funniest I have ever read; the Inquiry - the JET report- into the maniacs who made it up, including Judith Jones, was suppressed for some time by a High Court Injunction, but is freely available at 

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dlheb/jetrepor.htm

It does do a very good review of just where the Satanic Abuse myth claimed from, so that might be useful to you, Karen :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning sam, morning Karen</p>
<p>The Nottingham Non-Existent Satanic abuse case was one of the funniest I have ever read; the Inquiry - the JET report- into the maniacs who made it up, including Judith Jones, was suppressed for some time by a High Court Injunction, but is freely available at </p>
<p><a href="http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dlheb/jetrepor.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dlheb/jetrepor.htm</a></p>
<p>It does do a very good review of just where the Satanic Abuse myth claimed from, so that might be useful to you, Karen <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>karen, good morning, no i don't. what is interesting is beatrix campbell and judith jones are or were connnected, they were partners and judith jones was on the review panel and also; 
 'Judith Jones - formerly Judith Dawson - was a leading figure among social workers who became convinced that a group of young children were being sexually abused by devil worshippers in Nottingham in 1989. Police found no evidence to support this claim.'
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006D9B9.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>karen, good morning, no i don&#8217;t. what is interesting is beatrix campbell and judith jones are or were connnected, they were partners and judith jones was on the review panel and also;<br />
 &#8216;Judith Jones - formerly Judith Dawson - was a leading figure among social workers who became convinced that a group of young children were being sexually abused by devil worshippers in Nottingham in 1989. Police found no evidence to support this claim.&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006D9B9.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/00000006D9B9.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chenier and Sam

That's a really frightening case. 
I've always wondered why Britain esp. England - one of the most secular counties on Earth - went for the American Satanic Abuse rubbish.
I haven't found any books on the psychology of it... does anyone know of any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chenier and Sam</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a really frightening case.<br />
I&#8217;ve always wondered why Britain esp. England - one of the most secular counties on Earth - went for the American Satanic Abuse rubbish.<br />
I haven&#8217;t found any books on the psychology of it&#8230; does anyone know of any?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Columnists are always spouting crap...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Columnists are always spouting crap&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very long chenier and interesting,thanks, i found also a write up about it in the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jul/31/childrensservices.childprotection</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very long chenier and interesting,thanks, i found also a write up about it in the guardian<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jul/31/childrensservices.childprotection" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2002/jul/31/childrensservices.childprotection</a></p>
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		<title>By: chenier</title>
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		<dc:creator>chenier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beatrix Campbell asked, rhetorically, “Who do we blame?”, though she was not noted for her reluctance to blame people in the past; the appalling treatment of the Newcastle nursery workers Dawn Reed and Chris Lillie is a case in point.

Beatrix Campbell had, of course, claimed that a "stringent" inquiry had found "persuasive evidence of sadistic and sexual abuse of up to 350 children" perpetrated by those nursery workers and a paedophile ring. It was fantasy; the inquiry turned out to be as stringent and reliable as Haringey's Serious Case Reviews. The nursery workers had been tried and found not guilty, but that didn't stop the inquiry concluding that they were guilty as sin, and it didn't stop the media reporting that they were guilty as sin.

Had it not been for the introduction of the no-win no-fee system which enabled Dawn Reed and Chris Lillie to sue the people who made these claims for libel, Campbell would still be writing newspaper articles about a wholly non-existent paedophile ring, and the wholly innocent nursery workers would still be in hiding in fear of their lives.

And no, I'm not exaggerating about their lives being in danger; for example, the Sun ran this:

"HELP US FIND THESE FIENDS.
 Do you know where perverts Lillie and Reed are now? Phone us on 0161 935 5315 or 0171 782 4105. Don't worry about the cost - we will call you straight back." 

Justice Eady's judgement in the libel case, concluding that:

'the four members of the Review Team were malicious in the promulgation of their Report... That is because they included in their Report a number of fundamental claims which they must have known to be untrue and which cannot be explained on the basis of incompetence or mere carelessness.'

 runs to hundreds of pages, and much of it is deeply depressing stuff. 

It's worth reading, all the same, if you wish to know the depths to which allegedly intelligent and educated people are capable of sinking. The children were, indeed, abused, but not by the nursery workers. They were abused by the professionals who managed to convince themselves, the children, and the children's parents that the children had been abused.

And it's doubly worth reading as a counter to the attempts by the media to claim that no-win, no-fee agreements are inhibiting free speech. The Sun, after all, would so much prefer to be able to carry on hunting down fiends and perverts, and Beatrix Campbell would so much prefer to be able to claim that malicious libels were, in fact, the considered conclusions of a stringent inquiry...

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2002/1600.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beatrix Campbell asked, rhetorically, “Who do we blame?”, though she was not noted for her reluctance to blame people in the past; the appalling treatment of the Newcastle nursery workers Dawn Reed and Chris Lillie is a case in point.</p>
<p>Beatrix Campbell had, of course, claimed that a &#8220;stringent&#8221; inquiry had found &#8220;persuasive evidence of sadistic and sexual abuse of up to 350 children&#8221; perpetrated by those nursery workers and a paedophile ring. It was fantasy; the inquiry turned out to be as stringent and reliable as Haringey&#8217;s Serious Case Reviews. The nursery workers had been tried and found not guilty, but that didn&#8217;t stop the inquiry concluding that they were guilty as sin, and it didn&#8217;t stop the media reporting that they were guilty as sin.</p>
<p>Had it not been for the introduction of the no-win no-fee system which enabled Dawn Reed and Chris Lillie to sue the people who made these claims for libel, Campbell would still be writing newspaper articles about a wholly non-existent paedophile ring, and the wholly innocent nursery workers would still be in hiding in fear of their lives.</p>
<p>And no, I&#8217;m not exaggerating about their lives being in danger; for example, the Sun ran this:</p>
<p>&#8220;HELP US FIND THESE FIENDS.<br />
 Do you know where perverts Lillie and Reed are now? Phone us on 0161 935 5315 or 0171 782 4105. Don&#8217;t worry about the cost - we will call you straight back.&#8221; </p>
<p>Justice Eady&#8217;s judgement in the libel case, concluding that:</p>
<p>&#8216;the four members of the Review Team were malicious in the promulgation of their Report&#8230; That is because they included in their Report a number of fundamental claims which they must have known to be untrue and which cannot be explained on the basis of incompetence or mere carelessness.&#8217;</p>
<p> runs to hundreds of pages, and much of it is deeply depressing stuff. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth reading, all the same, if you wish to know the depths to which allegedly intelligent and educated people are capable of sinking. The children were, indeed, abused, but not by the nursery workers. They were abused by the professionals who managed to convince themselves, the children, and the children&#8217;s parents that the children had been abused.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s doubly worth reading as a counter to the attempts by the media to claim that no-win, no-fee agreements are inhibiting free speech. The Sun, after all, would so much prefer to be able to carry on hunting down fiends and perverts, and Beatrix Campbell would so much prefer to be able to claim that malicious libels were, in fact, the considered conclusions of a stringent inquiry&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2002/1600.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2002/1600.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: trevor mcdonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevor mcdonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thrown off an banned from this site for a few days for suggesting that this could be the outcome of the Matthews case when it was still in full flow and the country was still looking for Shannon. I may have been generalising, however my words were true. People like Karen and Craig are scum. Full stop. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thrown off an banned from this site for a few days for suggesting that this could be the outcome of the Matthews case when it was still in full flow and the country was still looking for Shannon. I may have been generalising, however my words were true. People like Karen and Craig are scum. Full stop. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shouldn't think Shannon would read it, foster parents would ensure she doesn't see that kind of stuff,  I hope she 's  at school and looking forward to Xmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shouldn&#8217;t think Shannon would read it, foster parents would ensure she doesn&#8217;t see that kind of stuff,  I hope she &#8217;s  at school and looking forward to Xmas</p>
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		<title>By: brandon flours</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandon flours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>june i know but doesnt she think poor shannon will read that, i know she has bigger problems to read  about but i'm sure it will do some damage :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>june i know but doesnt she think poor shannon will read that, i know she has bigger problems to read  about but i&#8217;m sure it will do some damage <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon

I think she was just summing up the general p of v and peoples reactions to missing child/ physical appearance,and because they are pretty more people will notice.

The death of Baby P for instance was bloody horrendous, but his blue eyes and blonde hair were the attraction for all the hype that followed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon</p>
<p>I think she was just summing up the general p of v and peoples reactions to missing child/ physical appearance,and because they are pretty more people will notice.</p>
<p>The death of Baby P for instance was bloody horrendous, but his blue eyes and blonde hair were the attraction for all the hype that followed</p>
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		<title>By: brandon flours</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandon flours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:oops:

sorry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif' alt=':oops:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>sorry</p>
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		<title>By: brandon flours</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandon flours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that Shannon Matthews isn’t as pretty as Maddie McCann. She’s not blonde or cute or beautiful. You don’t look at her and want to cry…

How fucking dare she bloody bitch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that Shannon Matthews isn’t as pretty as Maddie McCann. She’s not blonde or cute or beautiful. You don’t look at her and want to cry…</p>
<p>How fucking dare she bloody bitch</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devon cream tea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devon cream tea?</p>
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		<title>By: coolandcalm</title>
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		<dc:creator>coolandcalm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sconed.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sconed.  <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
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		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooh frist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooh frist</p>
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