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	<title>Comments on: FBI Uses Fake Hyperlinks To Trap Child Porn Thinkers</title>
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		<title>By: dairy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dairy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a deep packet inspection, eh Magnetite? - that sounds highly dodgy all on its own....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a deep packet inspection, eh Magnetite? - that sounds highly dodgy all on its own&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: yampster</title>
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		<dc:creator>yampster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just about to mention all that myself, especially the onion-skin thingy</description>
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		<title>By: magnetite</title>
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		<dc:creator>magnetite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing to fear is fear itself, yampster? If fear wasn't so terrifying, that wouldn't be a problem. Behavioural conditioning at the flesh-machine analogue-digital convergence in action here?

I do wonder at their methods though, and if they involved 'deep-packet inspection' at the ISP side. Otherwise, blocking your browser from sending useragent, referring page and system information (as well as all scripts and cookies) and going in through an onion-skin proxy (or even using a custom rendering engine) would mean that even the real deal may get off scot-free. This would trap the unwary and internet neophytes, but it's the clever criminals we need to get to. Be they sex-offenders, fraudsters, pirates or hackers...and Plod playing Tom Clancy probably isn't the way to do it unless their own black/grey-hat hacking skills are mighty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing to fear is fear itself, yampster? If fear wasn&#8217;t so terrifying, that wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. Behavioural conditioning at the flesh-machine analogue-digital convergence in action here?</p>
<p>I do wonder at their methods though, and if they involved &#8216;deep-packet inspection&#8217; at the ISP side. Otherwise, blocking your browser from sending useragent, referring page and system information (as well as all scripts and cookies) and going in through an onion-skin proxy (or even using a custom rendering engine) would mean that even the real deal may get off scot-free. This would trap the unwary and internet neophytes, but it&#8217;s the clever criminals we need to get to. Be they sex-offenders, fraudsters, pirates or hackers&#8230;and Plod playing Tom Clancy probably isn&#8217;t the way to do it unless their own black/grey-hat hacking skills are mighty.</p>
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		<title>By: yampster</title>
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		<dc:creator>yampster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the scam may be set within a scam. The FBI hyperlinks need not exist. They only need to be thought to exist by potential browsers for them to worry enough not to do it. Every 'legitmate' porn site will be suspect from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the scam may be set within a scam. The FBI hyperlinks need not exist. They only need to be thought to exist by potential browsers for them to worry enough not to do it. Every &#8216;legitmate&#8217; porn site will be suspect from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: magnetite</title>
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		<dc:creator>magnetite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that this was meant to obviate troubling the judiciary for court orders for ISP traffic records (after the fact) for a given user and the resultant lawyer-off that would ensue. CNET's story had little detail on the mechanics of how these stings played out. It would have to have been a multi-layered honey-trap though, with an escalating level of involvement and interest shown from the target (if particular users were targeted) and opportunities given to discontinue the link trail - or it will wind up in a lawyer-off anyway, probably without convictions.

A laudable, if misguided, effort from the authorities then. If it wasn't a completely secret operation (avoiding leaks from peripherally involved staff, and a fast operation over a short time-scale on secure servers) then the opportunities for misuse were too high for comfort and any legitimate convictions gained likely tainted as a result. The operation should have been as clean as a whistle, all the way down the line from genesis to execution. Imagine someone with the text of the hyperlink in their possession rick-rolling an enemy or rival into a click that they think goes elsewhere. Once ISP records had been subpoenaed at trial (or pre-trial, if that's possible - I don't think Matlock covered this) and the rick-roll discovered, then it would be too late for the defendant to save their reputation, family life or worse.

I hope the FBI did use an escalating involvement technique via an already suspect (but not obviously paedophilia-related - say extreme pornography, for instance) website or forum, else their hard work will go to waste. No matter the validity of the methods involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that this was meant to obviate troubling the judiciary for court orders for ISP traffic records (after the fact) for a given user and the resultant lawyer-off that would ensue. CNET&#8217;s story had little detail on the mechanics of how these stings played out. It would have to have been a multi-layered honey-trap though, with an escalating level of involvement and interest shown from the target (if particular users were targeted) and opportunities given to discontinue the link trail - or it will wind up in a lawyer-off anyway, probably without convictions.</p>
<p>A laudable, if misguided, effort from the authorities then. If it wasn&#8217;t a completely secret operation (avoiding leaks from peripherally involved staff, and a fast operation over a short time-scale on secure servers) then the opportunities for misuse were too high for comfort and any legitimate convictions gained likely tainted as a result. The operation should have been as clean as a whistle, all the way down the line from genesis to execution. Imagine someone with the text of the hyperlink in their possession rick-rolling an enemy or rival into a click that they think goes elsewhere. Once ISP records had been subpoenaed at trial (or pre-trial, if that&#8217;s possible - I don&#8217;t think Matlock covered this) and the rick-roll discovered, then it would be too late for the defendant to save their reputation, family life or worse.</p>
<p>I hope the FBI did use an escalating involvement technique via an already suspect (but not obviously paedophilia-related - say extreme pornography, for instance) website or forum, else their hard work will go to waste. No matter the validity of the methods involved.</p>
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