Jon Venables Face And Name Revealed
BECAUSE someone has posted what he claims to be photos of Jon Venables on the internet, one of James Bulger’s killers will have to be given a new identity and be re-housed (he was living in Cheshire).
A spokesman for the Ministry of Justice says:
“Such a change of identity is extremely rare and granted only when the police assess that there is clear and credible evidence of a sustained threat to the offender’s life on release into the community.”
The Sun reports:
The activist, who again The Sun cannot name, said: “The picture has now been seen by millions. I don’t believe Jon Venables or any convicted sex offender has the right to anonymity or a protected identity. It is the public that needs protection.”
How is the public protected by being shown photos of a man the State says cannot be named nor revealed for his own safety? Have we lost faith in the system and the rule of law, achieved by consensus?
The Liverpool Post reports:
Ralph Bulger, James’ dad, was not at the Old Bailey yesterday to see Venables jailed for two years.
But his solicitor Robin Makin was there on his behalf and believes the authorities have to answer for their actions.
He also said they had hoped Venables would be given an indefinite jail term for public protection (IPP).
Mr Makin said: “No-one has taken into account the danger this man poses. The public was not protected in this case.
“We are upset because no-one considered a sexual element in the original crime, the murder of James, so it could not be brought up here to show past history…
“It was a ticking timebomb waiting to go off, putting him so close to Liverpool and to the scene of it all. It will only have upped the pressure. They gave him a new identity but if he was so close, that cannot have helped.”
What now..?
Spotter: Karen
May 6th, 2011 at 11:31 am
So people who don’t want capital punishment need to ‘get out there in the big wide world’, even though they already work in the legal service?
I’ve yet to find a convincing argument from any of you that doesn’t involve the following: ‘what if it was one of your kids’, repeating the original crime’s gory details, and ‘the public have a right to know!’ You have nothing to justify yourselves with except that you’re angry. Now you can all complain about the taxpayer’s money needed to spend on his new ID after you were the ones who wanted his identity exposed in the first place. Well done. Learn to look a bit further ahead at the implications of what you self-righteously demand.
May 6th, 2011 at 11:27 am
oh go on Emma enlighten me, with your fantastic broad knowledge again. Oh hold on, need to get my pipe and slippers for this one.looool
May 6th, 2011 at 11:23 am
‘ i couldn’t care less what happens when you hang someone. when you commit and crime that would warrant capital punishment then so be it.’
We haven’t hanged 10 year old children for hundreds of years. Why do you think that is?
May 6th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Emma, dont put words in my mouth i never said i would hand them to the Mob i actually said i would of shopped them myself and i would of handed them to denise and Ralph, thats hardly the mob is it? And quite frankly i couldn’t care less what happens when you hang someone. when you commit and crime that would warrant capital punishment then so be it. My views are my views and like i have said i am entitled to think what i like. Also rather than you sitting and insulting people Emma about their grammer etc, maybe you could put your fantastic education to some good use and get out there in the big wide world and start educating people in discipline and the teachings of right and wrong, woop woop Emma to run for prime minister i can just see the headlines now… Oh of course only in the sun/daily mail newspaper i got accused of reading earlier on lool.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:47 am
C&C – Andrea has more or less said she would hand her own child over to the mob.
Despite claiming that she loves them ‘more than life itself’.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:43 am
On and on it goes but NO-ONE has answered my question, how would you feel if it was your son / grandson who had committed a similar crime? Its aboslutely possible…. would you agree then to the hounding and suggestions of sadistic rettribution that are being advocated here?
May 6th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Well said Emma
May 6th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Do you know what happens when you hang someone Andrea?
It’s a pretty horrible death.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:36 am
I’m not blogging the specifics of a horrible murder and then going into graphic detail about what physical harm and horrible death I would like to inflict on ten year old children – claiming I’d laugh while I was doing it.
FYI- I still stand by that – however you did say ” i read all the court transcripts” i never said i would inflict a horrible death on them…. I actually said i would release the trap door from underneath them. Hardly “inflicting a horrible death on 2 10 yr old boys”
May 6th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Oh and the reason why i have told some of the things that happened to him was to try and make the ignorant realise what they done. As some were so “blindfolded” to the facts. Also to those who think that justice has been done, people like you Emma. As for a dictionary perhaps you should choke on the one you so obviously have stuck in your mouth along with your silver spoon you so obviously feel you have. Whats the phrase again all fur coat??
May 6th, 2011 at 10:31 am
‘Hmmm pot and kettle come to mind’
I’m not blogging the specifics of a horrible murder and then going into graphic detail about what physical harm and horrible death I would like to inflict on ten year old children – claiming I’d laugh while I was doing it.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:26 am
I could of gone into more detail EMMA and would not delight the people on here that MAY be liking it, but you “apparently” also know what happened . So you claim, which again is not proven ??…. oh and you also spending your time writing on a site about the same thing we are all writing about. Hmmm pot and kettle come to mind. lol.
May 6th, 2011 at 10:05 am
‘because i can’t even think about what they done as it disgusts me’
You can’t even think about it so much that you’ve happily been able to spend your time writing on a discussion site, taking apparent delight in describing it in graphic detail. Hmmm…
I’d also reiterate my point yesterday about spelling and grammar….
Why is it those that seem the most ‘earnest’ in their revenge fantasies are the ones most in need of a dictionary? Perhaps a study should be done – correlation between literacy level and belming vigilantes.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Hi everyone i’m back as said with the psycho grin as you have all labelled me and others with….. Listen no one is fantasising or reveling about the retribution on JV or RT. What people are saying is that they commited the most awful crime, and by the way scott they didn’t lead him to a train track they actually kicked his behind for 2 miles to the train track and proceeded to pour paint in his eyes and punched him to the ground 2 times and each time he got up begging them to take him back to his mum and various other disgusting things to him before lying him on the tracks. Tell me that if someone ever done that to one of your children that you would not want some sort of justice for your 2 yr old baby???? I don’t think people can understand that this was a 2 yr old baby we are all talking about? I along with others that i have spoken too (and they are health proffesionals that we are talking about not “psycopaths” ) they have all said the same thing that they would want to kill them and yes inflict the same hurt and torture that these 2 done on James. I cannot even begin to imagine what was going through their minds? So don’t sit there and say that we are fantasising about what we would do, because i can’t even think about what they done as it disgusts me…. Oh and by the way post 37 i sincerely hope your not regarding to me as the “teen” and i never said for one second that people don’t love their kids, its just mine mean more to me than life itself and if anything happened to mine now who FYI are 20 and 15 and a grandchild of 19 months (not much younger than James). When any of you have lost someone as important and as precious as a child at the hands of sheer evil, THEN you can put your do gooding posts on and how you would deal with the “justice” in this country. Even the prison officers don’t want to deal with him the same as Ian Huntley, Mark Dixie, etc. They aall get protected inside and out, my argument is why should they? They take the lives of the innocent is that right? your all just posting how they should be protected etc, i don’t understand why they should be? OH and by the way CandC post 39, if it was my child that had done that crime i would of shopped them myself and yes i would of handed them over to Ralph and Denise for your information… And go on tell me now about how bad a parent i would of been for doing that!!!!! Yawn Boring….. And anyway my children wouldn’t of done such an awful thing because they were raised knowing what is right and what is wrong and that you do not go around thinking you can do what you like when you like, and if you do then you pay the concequences….
May 6th, 2011 at 9:31 am
‘ he is an adult the fact that you are even accusing me Of this shows that it is you who is not of sane mind’
Scott, in your first post, you used ‘they’, not ‘him’. Your quote is:
‘if it was your child and you were given a gun for justice you would shoot the bastards in the balls, sit back and watch them bleed to death in pain, if you actually defend these evil bastards then you are sick and perverted’
So you were talking about the initial crime – the crime of two ten year old children, NOT the current crime and you were talking about both offenders (Venables AND Thompson). ONE of them hasn’t offended in the way that you suggest and yet you are perfectly happy to inflict the same punishment. So you don’t get to wriggle out of your comment so easily – you clearly were talking about inflicting your sick punishment on children. Your show an enormous level of instability and (dare I say it), seem very dangerous.
May 6th, 2011 at 9:06 am
sadly there are far too many nutters who revel in the thought of these crimes and fantasise about the retribution they would like to inflict.
this seems to turn them on. Definitely a cause for concern…..
May 6th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Anyway, the ‘offending’ website it still down. The person who runs it is claiming on facebook that it is because he is putting everything onto a new server but I notice that google doesn’t even list it when you do a search (although it does list the facebook page).
His claims about the server may be true or it may have been shut down.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:55 am
‘The law of the land was introduced to protect the innocent, ‘
Actually, the law of the land was introduced to protect the king and his property. That is why, under English Common Law, when a crime is committted, it is committed against the Crown.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:53 am
He is not a child you idiot, he is an adult the fact that you are even accusing me Of this shows that it is you who is not of sane mind, if your child was killed in the way James was are you actually saying you would applaud the fact that they allowed to live the life of luxury by going on all expense paid holidays, flaunting the ban on not being allowed to re-enter Liverpool?, why don’t we go all the way and invite Gary Glitter round for tea so they an compare photo albums, seriously what is wrong with you, he deserves to face the consequences of what he has done as an ADULT, no other ADULT criminal is allowed these luxuries so why should he
May 6th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Post number 45, have you actually read and thought about what you’ve written?
You are basically getting off on the thought of sexual violence, torture and murder of a child. Exactly how are we to look on you as a person of ‘sound mind’?
What do you think would happen if I went to my GP and told him that I had thoughts of causing a child serious sexual injury before slowly letting them bleed to death while I watched? I’d be (rightly) on my way to Broadmoor as soon as the van came.
May 6th, 2011 at 8:19 am
They kidnapped him, led him to a train track, stoned him to death then laid him across a track to decapitate him, at which point did they think what they were doing was fun or ok, he has now commited crimes under the children’s sex act, again at what point did he think that this is normal, James is laid to rest in a wooden box while this guy gets a new identity, home, money all at the cost of us taxpayers (250,000) and they are about to do it again, when he re-commits for a third time and he will, will you all be here saying the same old rubbish. The law of the land was introduced to protect the innocent, unfortunately some people use as a way of securing a better life for the guilty time and time again. He may have been 10 when he committed the first crime and could possibly claim diminished responsibility but he was an adult the second time! Don’t forget Jame Bulger’s parents now face the possibility of watching this convicted multiple offender be given a better life than they have, a possibly have his own children in the future!!! It does not bear thinking about.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
People who are against vigilante hysteria do not ‘follow and support them.’ We just don’t believe in killing someone because we read about it in the papers and felt upset. If people like you pitchfork-wielders had your way, what becomes of the law? Do we kill someone everytime we don’t like something they did? What’s the rules? Is it just if they murder, or rape, or if you think they have the potential to do it one day?
To illustrate this point, I’ve just read that the guy behind Venables’ exposure is planning to release Robert Thompson’s name and photograph too in the next few days, even though as far as anyone knows, he hasn’t actually done anything since. My previous prediction is happening a little sooner than I thought.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Oh nice!
And again I ask, what if it was your child who had commited the crime? you’d sit back and watch would you? Weirdo
May 5th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
‘if you actually defend these evil bastards then you are sick and perverted’
Well, aside from the fact that I haven’t seen anyone ‘defending’ them as such, I’d say someone who harbours the unsettling violent thoughts that you have just exhibited can equally be described as ‘sick and perverted’.
Honestly the violence in some of these postings make me think that there are some on here who would be given a diagnosis by a psychiatriast and a section 35 detention order.
Makes you wonder who is more dangerous – Thompson/Venables or deranged, vigilante psychos.
May 5th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
All if it was your child and you were given a gun for justice you would shoot the bastards in the balls, sit back and watch them bleed to death in pain, if you actually defend these evil bastards then you are sick and perverted, god rest james sole and long may these two be hunted for what they have done, shame on you all if you follow and support them
May 5th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
I absolutely blame the media for the obvious lack of coherent thought most seem to have. Every time one of the boys were mentioned over the years, the graphic details of the case were rehashed once again to stoke the flames. Consistently. I also feel that Denise Fergus has become their weapon. People forget that at the beginning, during the early years just after the incident, she said she didn’t want any harm to come to them, just that justice was served. It was only after, later on, that she became more vociferous in demanding to know every detail about their lives. I think reporters knocking on your door to get a soundbite every time a film or tv show depicts a child murder would do that to you.
May 5th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I can’t help but think that if the papers hadn’t kept telling us over the years that they were leading a life of luxury instead of being punished, there wouldn’t be this level of pitchforking now.
May 5th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
I think you may have a point there Alina. There’s a theory that nations need an enemy to define themselves. Perhaps certain individuals do to!
May 5th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Spot on, Emma. What’s more, I sometimes wonder what WOULD happen if a vigilante killed JV. After the initial celebrations have died down, I daresay the hunt for Robert Thompson would begin in earnest, regardless of whether he’s offended since or not. Because really, there HAS to be a hate figure to make themselves feel good about.
May 5th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Thanks Alina/C&C/Karen.
You find in these debates the same things crop up. Apparently having children makes you more qualified to speak on the issues. When you say you have children, your worth as a parent is queried because you would not advocate some Old Testament torture and murder of child offenders.
And it is interesting that such people apparently still can’t understand why the injunction exists! They are clear examples of why it exists.