I also cry at Lassie film

There’s a lot about this case that you don’t ‘buy’ Ian. You say you are anti neglect, anti abuse but not anti Mc’s. That’s not alltogether true is it?. KM asking for a priest doesn’t constitute neglect, GM saying the twins may have been sedated and you jump on the band wagon with your anti abuse and why didn’t he get them checked? Possibly he never thought they may have been sedated until the press made an issue of it.

As for you saying your prepared to debate any possibility including abduction is also not exactly true. When I posted the possibility of a later abduction time, your response was, it’s impossible. So I guess your ‘it’s impossible’ remark is your way of debating? I must remember that.

I am not far from my birthday. The honour is a great present from Anorak, a little more than a week in advance. I am beaming, honest !!!

Your post made me think about the forum. I don’t see it the way you do, though I understand why you find it difficult to say your mind.

I found that you can say what you want here, nobody will stop you (unless it is gross libel of course). You don’t write under your real name, nobody knows you, The only risk is that someone will send back a post calling you names. It isn’t a problem. It can even be fun.

Besides, my experience is that if you are honest, and don’t mind what names you’ll be called, nothing bad is going to happen, and you’ll be listened to, even if you don’t agree with the mains streams on the thread.

I, personnally draw a line between condemning some behaviours shown by the MCs, and the MCs themselves. I don’t wish them to go to jail, to hell or whatever, and I consider it isn’t my job to judge them. All I want is to to know the truth. When I read vigorous diatribes against child neglectors, it doesnt upset me,though, even if it isn’t my type of language. I have explained myself about it, and nobdy called me bad names.

Anorak is what we make it, so if we think it has changed (good thing it does, it can’t stay the same for ever), we can add our views to help it change the way we wish.

Your English was so good that early this morning someone accused me of having written it under your name…….!!!!!!!

I was very flattered but I put them right!

Thank you for your kind words. You can’t inmagine what it means to me that my English has been deemed good enough by people whose language is English. It is a beautiful tongue, and I sometimes get the feeling that it is impossible to master. That is why I feel so honoured!

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Good for you.

I find Ian very helpful too. Shame he doesnt realise!

or alternatively, angels took her.

hold on a goshdarned minute there, cowgirl… you describe the tears running down YOUR cheeks at the news of shannon’s return (really.. real tears, streaming uh?) and you then go on about how you don;t think you recall seeing KM shedding tears…

that all sounds a bit dodgy to me. do you mean you didn;t see her sheding tears about shannon being discovered safely? did kate not feel the same gushiness at the news as YOU? or… you think she is a cold nasty woman who is incapable of feelings unlike YOU who are in touch with your tear ducts?
did you shed a bucketful of tears for the two faced baby?
did you cry for 40 nights when natascha kampchuk (sp.) gave her interviews about her kidnapping?
do you weep for every missing child that is found or for every child never found?
were you that wailing embaressment on the side of the road during the Diana funeral procession, bellowing out THEIR own grief for the sound recordists benefits as Diana’s sons walked silently past?
do you think you feel it more than other folk?

Answer me this, why did Kate rise into hysterical panic so quickly and not at least knock on the door of Jane Tanners apartment to check Madeleine wasn’t in her care, before allegedly screaming across to the bar (or running back to the bar, leaving her twins alone again!).

We know Tanner wasn’t told - yet there she was in the apartment next door.

Kate needed a priest within an hour of allegedly finding Madeleine gone - I’m sorry but it doesn’t add up to me as normal or even religious fanatic type behaviour (and even Kate’s mum said she wasn’t religious before Madeleine was ‘taken’).

In my view Madeleine is dead, the McCanns know it - I am convinced - their behaviour tells us and has told the police that. No police force makes someone suspect for nothing - especially not with the cameras of the world on them!

Not quite sure what point your use of me in your long post is intended to make.

I’d simply like to point out to you that none of the people who support the McCanns on here actually discuss alternatives. They say ‘it was abduction’.

When asked why Kate needed a priest in the first few hours when any normal person would still be searching, not turning to a god. I am told that ’she was distraught and not thinking straight’. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t ring true.

When I ask, why did Kate not turn immediately to her next door friend who was in her apartment at least to check if Madeleine might have been taken there, I am told ’she was hysterical with grief’. Sorry, again, I don’t buy it. A GP who gets hysterical so quickly yet clearly is not a demonstrative person - and why hysterical before just making that simple check with the friend next door, especially as she new they had all been checking her children.

Another simple question, why did the McCanns not check anyone else’s children yet everyone was checking theirs? Sorry, I don’t buy that either.

Look at Gerry, the sedation comments - he thought his kids might have been sedated BUT NEVER HAD THEM CHECKED? I’m sorry, I don’t buy that either.

And Jon Corner and Gerry’s words about how ‘gorgeous and lovely’ Madeleine was. Their descriptions send a chill through me.

Something is not right - millions of people have recognised it - the police in Portugal know it. Just look at the happy pictures of the McCanns in Portugal, it just doesn’t look like they are suffering - look at Kates makeup - perfect. The cuddle cat ‘badge of courage’ - washed?!!! It doesn’t add up.

Whatever your point is, I am not anti-mccann and have discussed possible theories which include an abductor, but the so-called pro-mccanns will never do that, they immediately get nasty - garth, Gandolph, the insidious Maria (who doesn’t get nasty but speaks in media spin template format).

I am anti-neglect, anti-abuse. The McCanns have admitted neglect (and how glad Gerry was to not have the kids around at dinner) and told us of their abusive use of star charts to keep Madeleine from bothering them when she woke at night.

I hope you agree that you’d never dream of leaving your child as they left theirs - not on 3rd of May, but when they are alleged to have been late into the night at Chaplins - a bus ride away!

A lot of the information annorakians have commented on has been in the media, I find it illogical that people can take onboard some things written in the press and ‘poo poo’ other written information with regards this case. The parents behaviour certainly isn’t logical or ‘human’.

Today I bought a newspaper, something I haven’t done for several weeks. I read about Shannon’s recovery and although it was an occassion to celebrate, I had tears rolling down my cheeks, yes, happy tears. I’m sure there are hundreds of other people who also shed tears of happiness, relief and hope when the news of her safe recovery was announced and also I think because I do not believe there will be the same outcome for little Madeline.. The only time I recall KM shedding any tears was after being asked an awkward question?

Sometime ago a poster suggested the pro’s tried to see things from the anti’s point of view. That day I was busy so didn’t post but did post under this suggestion a couple of days later and asked if the abduction could have happened later in the day/night? My suggestion was dismissed instantly. No discussion, no debate. I came to realise that unless you were wholeheartedly anti, your opinion didn’t count. I thank Ian for that.

I also thank Ian for opening my eyes. I have looked at some of the interviews by Mc’s and heard the inconsistencies for myself. This does not mean they harmed their daughter. Yes, they tried to hide the fact they left the patio door open, this does not mean they harmed their daughter but it does show they knew it was wrong for them to have done this.
They have made many stupid comments ie they wish they had been there for Maddie when she was abducted - I doubt she would have been abducted if they had been there.

How many of you could think clearly let alone speak clearly if your 3 yr old child had disappeared? You can argue they shouldn’t have left the kids unattended, I agree but if the worst came to the worst and one of your kids disappeared, could any of you think/speak clearly regardless of their age?
Take away your prejudice of them leaving 3 kiddies under 4 alone in a unlocked apartment, then put yourself in their shoes (if Maddie was abducted). I know I would be beside myself, it is human nature to think the worst and in this case, a paedo, murder? I am torn as to whether I would want my child killed instantly, painlessly or suffer at the hands of a paedo but still alive with the hope of her returning to me some day. Which is worse if your child disappeared?

I have tried to look at this logically but having a 3 yr old it is too painful to imagine the worst.

For the past few weeks, maybe month or 2, Annoraks has changed. The ‘war’ between pro’s and anti’s has intensified. Any logical ‘arguement’ is shot to pieces unless it’s in the anti’s camp. Some Annorak’s appear to take great pleasure in the Mc’s ‘fury’ or discomfort. I was guilty of this at one time. I took a reality check, thanks to Ian and spend every waking moment with my kids. I no longer read annoraks for the daily Mc’s bashing, I read to see if Maddie has been found, alive or not, that’s all I care about. I no longer care about whether her parents are guilty or not, all I want is for Maddeline to be found, preferably alive, which I don’t think will happen, but if her body is found, she deserves to be put to rest properly. Whether her parents are guilty or not is no longer relevant to me. 2 little twin kiddies have lost a sister, do we really want them to lose their mummy and daddy aswell? If the Mc’s are innocent, is it fair the twins will one day stumble across Annoraks and read all the bad things about their parents?
Who knows with 100% accuracy that either Kate or Gerry killed Maddeline either accidentaly or on purpose?
If you think you do, where’s you evidence, I’m not asking for circumstantial.

Scarlett’s mum may face child abandonment charges and could get a 6 month jail sentance. If evidence shows conclusively Maddie died in the apartment and her body disposed of, her parent/s should also face these charges. BUT if no evidence, they must be treated as innocent until evidence prooves otherwise. We may not like them, BUT without evidence, they are innocent (at least in the laws eyes).

In most cases, poor girl is clearly abducted. Tragic but no dramatic tension. This case is unique. Almost a Colombo-style drama: Crafty PJ trying to find the flaw in the McCanns near-perfect crime. And as sunday-afternoon couch potatoes all know - Colombo is strangely fascinating - and always gets his man…