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DAILY EXPRESS page 21: “New DNA tests could unlock the mystery of lost Madeleine”
More DNA tests at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham And this after the DNA tests proved inconclusive…
“Seventeen human cells could provide a major breakthrough in the Madeleine McCann mystery…The DNA samples are being examined by scientists in Britain and Portuguese detectives believe the evidence could unlock an investigation which is now in its eighth month”
The Tapas 7. The Tapas 9. The Scenic 17…
Guilhermino Encarnacao, head of the Policia Judiciaria in the Algarve, says: “We have asked the laboratory to carry out more tests and exhaust every possibility of obtaining conclusive results”
Says Forensic scientist Dr Ronald Denny (not working on the case): “A cell is negligible – you can just about see it under a microscope. It’s a sample someone would leave behind with the touch of a finger. But when placed with certain biochemicals a small amount of DNA grows to a size that can be analysed”
“GP Kate and heart consultant Gerry” are “both 39”
THE SUN page 15: “Only 17 cells of DNA in hol car”
“Cops looking for Madeleine McCann are banking on ‘a smidgen’ of DNA evidence. Scientists have found just 17 cells on samples taken from a hire car rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and their holiday flat”
Says independent forensic expert Dr Ronald Denny: “It is not a hopeless task. If they have 17 cells then they can carry it off very effectively in Birmingham, one of the leading labs in the world”
DAILY MAIL page 5: “Mission Impossible – Forensic evidence too poor to solve mystery of Madeleine, say police”
But Dr Denny is telling two papers otherwise…
A source tells Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “It is highly unlikely they will find a DNA connection…If everybody refuses to make statements, which is perfectly possible, we will be left with our hands tied. This is a case which could hang by a thread for years and we may never be able to prove what actually happened to that child”
But what about Dr Denny. Why don’t they ask Dr Denny?
Says Dr Denny: “A person, or their possessions, have to be present for the cells to come off”
DAILY MIRROR page 7: “Maddy: Smidgen of DNA will work?”
Dr Denny is on the case, or not. But the “independent British expert” does have an opinion which is able to share with all of us
DAILY STAR page 9: “MADDIE: IT’S ALL DOWN TO 17 CELLS”
Dr Denny is talking to Star readers…
“Top cop in blast at private eyes” – Former deputy chief constable of Manchester Police John Stalker says of Metodo 3: “I’m not impressed with these people at all. I’d be very surprised if they get anywhere”
This is the same Stalker who delivered “MY VERDICT” to Express reader back in October
“There’s a world of difference in following a paper chase and finding a flesh-and-blood child”
Or a newspaper chase…
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 11: “Madeleine tests are ‘mission impossible’”
Says a source in 24 Horas: “The samples reportedly include microscopic spots of blood from the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine went missing and ‘bodily fluids’ and hair from the Renault Scenic hired by the McCanns 25 days after their daughter’s disappearance. The samples are so small that, while it will not be impossible to find a DNA link between the car, apartment and Madeleine, it’s highly unlikely The tests being carried out are extremely complex”
But Dr Denny says…
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry’s friends have consistently said they are happy to be re-interviewed by police if necessary. Indeed, they are keen to help if it clears up any inconsistencies. They, like Gerry and Kate, have nothing to hide”
THE GUARDIAN and THE INDEPENDENT: “No Madeleine news today
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January 29th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
official-garth is Gerry Mccann!
December 5th, 2007 at 6:00 pm
hi is Ariel there
December 5th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
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December 5th, 2007 at 11:47 am
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Stevo Says:
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Tinsel
“What’s so sick about the posters etc. is that they were produced at a profit. If they used donated funds and sold them at cost it would be ok but they made money by accepting donations then they bought posters and then charged people to buy said posters!”
This was my criticism of the Campaign the first time I saw it. One implication is that every single effort to let people know about Madeleine is simultaneously an attempt to make a profit. You distribute leaflets with photos AND with indications of how to contribute. So if you get an opportunity to distribute (at no charge too!) 50,000 leaflets at a sports stadium, that is a fund-raising campaign — not just an effort to spread awareness about a missing child. How much did you spend on the leaflets? What amount contributions did you take in? — The so-called awareness campaign is nothing more than a means of making money.
I think maybe there need to be new laws to prevent this kind of abuse.
December 5th, 2007 at 11:29 am
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Stevo Says:
“All conjecture but it’s hard to think of any accidental death that makes sense other than this kind of scenario.”
Hard, but not impossible at all. In fact, it was recently a PJ scenario was reported in which a “paedophile intruder”, in the midst of sexual abuse, kills the child accidentally (intending only to silence her).
This is a police theory. The Team McCann theory is not much different — a “paedophile intruder” abducts the child.
Questions : who is the “paedophile intruder”? Was the door really unlocked? Did the intruder kill the girl , or did an accidental death just happen to occur after entrance into the apartment? Hypothetical example: he enters apartment, just as she is having a severe allergic reaction to sedatives.
December 5th, 2007 at 11:11 am
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Stevo Says:
493 Rationalist
“I agree - a normal accident isn’t worth the hassle. But an accident followed by some kind of botched first aid might be.”
Especially a botched first-aid administered by a doctor who does not bother calling the hospital.
December 5th, 2007 at 11:05 am
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just_me Says:
“I also think if kate had killed Maddie for whatever reason and it whatever way, had she fessed up she would have got off on diminished responsibility at the time. Twins aged 2, she could have post natal depression etc”
Exactly! But they did not do this. Why? They need to cover up something. What? The suggestions have been: sedation of children, recreational drugs, paedophile activity, etc. Also the suggestion that someone outside of the Tapas9 is being protected from implication in any of these.
As you say, the McCanns should have just admitted an accidental death. Most posters seem to think it was an impulsive decision to cover up — but was this decision made by Kate and Gerry, or was it made FOR them by someone else?
How to answer that question: take a look at all events unfolding since May 2007. Do Kate and Gerry seem to be in charge?
December 5th, 2007 at 9:59 am
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Ian Says:
“433 They should indeed accept it was their actions which led to Maddie not being with them.
However, I would be much more appalled if it turned out they intended harm to her.”
I understand this sentiment, but I more empathize with Stevo’s. I’m not sure why. For some reason, in this case , the reaction of the McCanns (cover-up and blatant money-making scam) seems worse than anything.
But that may be because this reaction comes on top of an obvious readiness to harm children. Child neglect, alleged illegal sedation of children, alleged affiliation with someone accused of association with paedophilia… there is a sense that already we DO HAVE a premeditation of sorts. Maybe not a predmeditation to murder, but a predmeditation (or predisposition) to harm children. A complete disregard for their safety, well-being or happiness.
It’s just a short jump to the idea that Madeleine was killed out of exasperation , fear of exposure, etc. That might not be “premeditation” but neither would it be an accident. Then of course we are thrown right back into the cover-up when we realize that the only reason we do not know how the girl died is because the parents would not even admit she died — and (allegedly) disposed of the body, while claiming that she was abducted, and accepting millions in donations with these claims.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:40 am
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Rationalist Says:
Stevo
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20070608/ai_n19294839
“This is interesting too..”
Do you guys (Stevo, Ration and Sal) think it likely that this caller –who said he knew where Madeleine was — is the same one who sent the letter to the paper? Was the call some kind of preliminary blackmail, or something else, from someone who knew about body disposal plans?
December 5th, 2007 at 9:26 am
it has been suggested to occasionally as some personal stuff on this site.
Well, here’s a Christmas Song of my stepson’s band “Work in Progress”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcRR_USF0pE
Enjoy.
December 5th, 2007 at 9:01 am
Slowly reading this great exchange between Salomon ES and Stevo. And I agree with Hannasussa that this kind of “brainstorming” is definitely being watched by the PJ — and by Gerry! But Gerry is not able to make a good use of it, for he only wants to find in it a way to avoid being identified as guilty. The PJ only want to find a way to solve a puzzle, not caring what the result will be. And in brainstorming, it is not necessary that all ideas be correct or fruitful. So anyway thanks to Stevo, Salomon, Watson and so many others.
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Stevo Says:
December 4th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
I have an open question to all Anorak posters in here:
“Question: Which is worse in a case involving a dead person - 1) premeditation or 2) covering up an accidental death? Personally I think it’s an interesting point. ”
Perhaps, something like “hit and run” in a vehicle accident? If you hit someone accidentally, you are most likely to flee if you are “very” guilty (drunk, speeding, or whatever). However, some people do flee from mere fright.
Premeditation is also not homogenous. Suppose someone is being bullied brutally over a long period of time. They might “snap” one day and there would be no premeditation, or they might think about it for quite a while, and then decide to permanently stop the bullying. But how does that compare to someone who plans a murder of someone just to get the insurance money?
Allegedly Madeleine was killed accidentally. But if the “accident” concerned illegal use of sedatives, that already makes it far more serious than an ordinary accident. If (hypotheticallly) it involved sexual abuse of a sedated child, that puts the accident in another class.
Was the alleged accident covered up as a result of “fright”? Not likely, when a conspiracy of friends is involved.
My personal opinion is that the McCann cover-up is far more damning than any accidental death that may have happened. The fact that they cover up the circumstances makes it likely that the circumstances will further implicate them. JMO, all allegedly.
December 5th, 2007 at 8:17 am
1331 Ian Says:
Im all alone in the new thread!
+++++++++
Oh NO you’re not!
Well… Panto season us upon us!
December 5th, 2007 at 8:07 am
Im all alone in the new thread!
December 5th, 2007 at 7:53 am
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Hideki
Soound advice! I hadnt realised that Metodo3 were linked to Kennedy.
December 5th, 2007 at 7:48 am
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Tinsel Says:
“Not that I think they are pathological — I think they are just garden variety liars. The stubborn type that will lie until they die, but I do think the police know that time is on their side as liars are determined to prove themselves, talk too much, embellish. I do think the McCs have been warned not to embellish, but it is only human nature.”
Good insights. A true psychopath would have made convincing interviews. As for why the McCanns have blabbered on and on, as you say they “are determined to prove themselves” but this determination is largely a result of the Great Campaign to Raise Money and Feign Innocense. This campaign, though readily endorsed by the McCanns, has been sold to them by the likes of Clarence Mitchell, tycoon Brian Kennedy and whoever is behind him.
By this view, the McCanns have been set up by these people, who have been consistently giving BAD ADVICE to poor Gerry, who has been misled to think that he is in control and everything will be OK.
Look again at the big donations (to the legal fund) by Branson and Kennedy. It was reported that these donations would be INVALID if the McCanns were found guilty. Viewing this from a strictly financial (investment) angle, this is an indication that Branson/Kennedy believed the McCanns are probably guilty. There was little “risk” that they would have to pay anything. And at the very least , after “pledging”, it gives them a financial incentive for the McCanns to be found guilty.
If the McCanns are found guilty, Metodo3 is still paid, and so the alleged money laundering of the Search Fund would be successful. Branson/Kennedy would not be liable for McCann legal expenses. Remember that Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns so-called spokesman is an employee of Kennedy, the man whom a guilty verdict benefits. The guy in charge of Metodo3, Smethurst, is also an employee of Kennedy.
Gerry must be quite a mixture of arrogance and stupidity not to see that he has surrounded himself with advisors who derive no benefit whatsoever from a “not guilty” verdict. They DO, however, benefit from a guilty verdict.
Perhaps this explains all the bad advice? Perhaps this explains why Gerry has been confidently blabbering away, ensuring that the public will eventually condemn him, when the superficial media support drops from under him, and also helping to ensure that the courts find him guilty on all counts.
Gerry, if you are reading this, I have some GOOD advice for you. Go back to the priest in PDL, apologize, and go with him to the police to make a full confession. Accept the harsh consequences.
December 5th, 2007 at 7:47 am
Morning all!
December 5th, 2007 at 5:17 am
Miss USA. Well, I’m glad you enjoy the US of A having the last word every night. I rather like it , too. ….
Here we are, the U.S. of A., drunk off our scooters on the homemade hootch!
Yet , we still care about what happened (or didn’t happen) to Madeleine.
But it’s 5 a.m. or somesuch in England. I could wait another hour or two until the Brits get up, but they’d be all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, and I’d be slurring my words and trying to talk yesterday’s news.
Must let the Anorak go. For now.
December 5th, 2007 at 5:10 am
And yes.. I have my kids finally in bed by 9 p.m., first one by 8. I always wonder how the Mccanns achieved 7 and 7.30 with all 3 children.
They seem to master it. All 3 in a different environment and so reliably early every night… Wow. What would interest me if the twins have had a lunchtime nap, because if so it would be even more incredible.
I wish my kids would be that tired… (and just for the case) Kids do not go earlier in bed if the day has been exhausting. Not mine, it does not depend so much on activities.
December 5th, 2007 at 4:58 am
I feel the same Krissie. But - I finally will move into a much better time zone soon. Then you will see me during business hours
But I have to admit it is kind of nice to see you having the last word every night
December 5th, 2007 at 3:35 am
Wait! Actually, the other “most suspicious” May 3 event was the alleged (very allegedly) telephoning of SKY news before the telephoning of the police. That, too, is unconfirmed, but as I have said before, if it’s true the McCanns called Sky news before they called the police, they ought to be arrested immediately, so far as I’m concerned . … and I say this as a Pro-McCann. Because I remain a Pro-McCann. Really. Allegedly.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:33 am
I really wish it wasn’t 3:30 a.m. in England, although, admittedly, I can’t blame anyone for falling asleep at that hour. But here it’s only 8:30, the kids are FINALLY in bed, and I can give myself over to arguing, theorizing, whining, random insults, drinking bad homemade wine, etc, and here I am, all by my lonesome. As my daughter would say, when she’s feeling sorry for herself, “I’m the loneliest princess in the world!”
December 5th, 2007 at 3:30 am
1235 Meejician, it’s “on record” that they cancelled a babysitting service that night. On record with who? Where? Whose record?
If so, that is one of the more suspicious May 3 events I’ve heard yet.
Tony Bennett, whatever happened to your anonymous friend who wanted us to ask questions about why Gerry was late for a tennis match that night?
December 5th, 2007 at 3:19 am
OK, I am sooo confused.
Did SKY News (which I cannot get here in the US, at least not on my TV) really run an old news broadcast, today? Reruns of NEWS broadcasts? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Two, Since this was an old broadcast from the time when we believed all this DNA proved something, let me ask, why did some people (such as Brunt) keep insisting the Renault was hired “five weeks” after Madeleine’s disappearance? 25 days does not equal five weeks.
And as long as we’re talking about things that are confusing, in terms of whether Madeleine and her siblings WERE in fact left alone night after night– what have the McCanns said?? We have some really contrary information here– that waiter is not to be trusted, how the heck would he know whether the McCanns had a listening service or babysitting service the previous nights? Even if you had a babysitting service or listening service, you might go check on your kids every half hour.
Which brings up another issue– if the Mark Warner resort had a “listening service” which was just like the Tapas 9 listening service (ie, no one there in the apartment, but someone who stopped by every so often to listen for crying), why are we blaming the parents for neglect? Apparently Mark Warner should be prosecuted for ENCOURAGING neglect, if this is an inappropriate practice. It seems the resort itself thought it was just fine to leave your kids alone and send someone by to listen for wakefulness every 15 minutes or so.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:24 am
wee bit slow after that flurry of excitement
December 5th, 2007 at 2:08 am
Or not?
December 5th, 2007 at 1:53 am
Daft idea - but the clock at 11.55 has disappeared from the Paulo Reis site and that’s, give or take a couple of minutes, when posters were alerted to the Sky video. Another internet myth to perpetuate?
December 5th, 2007 at 1:46 am
just watched old sky report again
last sentence is what strange emailer wanted us to focus on
December 5th, 2007 at 1:43 am
Whassaname said:
Anyone here….?
Reply: Only us chickens….
December 5th, 2007 at 1:41 am
Anybody here…….?
December 5th, 2007 at 1:27 am
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JuneJohnson Says:
‘We don’t mind the occasional use of caps to emphasise words, but the whole of the text in caps is extremely hard to read and is the internet form of shouting and bad manners. In future any posts containing all caps only will be deleted.’
thank you, it does my eyes in and i scroll over but it is painful, so thanks.
December 5th, 2007 at 1:26 am
sam
mr brandon flowers is ahead of his time!