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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, I suspect you are correct, Penster.  I hope not. I desperately long for a happy outcome and it's not impossible; children have been found safe months or years after abduction.  However, others have never been found. I read recently of an Irish mother and father whose little girl disappeared while playing at or outside her grandparents' home 30 years ago. After several weeks, during which the area was searched (no details were given), they finally decided to go home (which was in a different part of the country) because their other two children were being looked after by two different uncles and therefore away both from each other and from their parents.
Kate and Gerry are at least able to keep the twins with them.  I sympathise 100% with their feeling that they wish to stay near where this crime was committed. I can understand the emotional basis for this as well as the feeing that they are close to the investigation and always on hand to work with the police in any way required.
I can only hope that they are not forced to accept a lifetime of limbo but I fear they may be. As Kate herself has recently said, it would better to know for certain that Madeleine was dead than to live in this limbo. Exactly when active hope turns into limbo is a matter only for them; nobody else is in a position to judge.
Thank God they do have a strong faith. Thank God they have such a close relationship with each other and their twins and that they have a very strong and supportive family network to help them live through this situation. Thank God they have so many supportive and loving friends and colleagues. And thank God most people who have heard about this case, wherever they are in the world, also give them their wholehearted support and understanding. Should they be left in limbo or have to face the worst news, however strong they themselves may be, all this support will be essential for the rest of their lives.
Whatever the outcome of the investigation, they will always be in a position to say that they did everything possible to try to recover their daughter. This is NOT a criticism of anyone else, of course. Everyone has to make his or her own decisions according to individual circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, I suspect you are correct, Penster.  I hope not. I desperately long for a happy outcome and it&#8217;s not impossible; children have been found safe months or years after abduction.  However, others have never been found. I read recently of an Irish mother and father whose little girl disappeared while playing at or outside her grandparents&#8217; home 30 years ago. After several weeks, during which the area was searched (no details were given), they finally decided to go home (which was in a different part of the country) because their other two children were being looked after by two different uncles and therefore away both from each other and from their parents.<br />
Kate and Gerry are at least able to keep the twins with them.  I sympathise 100% with their feeling that they wish to stay near where this crime was committed. I can understand the emotional basis for this as well as the feeing that they are close to the investigation and always on hand to work with the police in any way required.<br />
I can only hope that they are not forced to accept a lifetime of limbo but I fear they may be. As Kate herself has recently said, it would better to know for certain that Madeleine was dead than to live in this limbo. Exactly when active hope turns into limbo is a matter only for them; nobody else is in a position to judge.<br />
Thank God they do have a strong faith. Thank God they have such a close relationship with each other and their twins and that they have a very strong and supportive family network to help them live through this situation. Thank God they have so many supportive and loving friends and colleagues. And thank God most people who have heard about this case, wherever they are in the world, also give them their wholehearted support and understanding. Should they be left in limbo or have to face the worst news, however strong they themselves may be, all this support will be essential for the rest of their lives.<br />
Whatever the outcome of the investigation, they will always be in a position to say that they did everything possible to try to recover their daughter. This is NOT a criticism of anyone else, of course. Everyone has to make his or her own decisions according to individual circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Penster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin, I am in Australia and the case is pretty big here, reported everyday in print broadsheets and tabloids, radio etc. I heard that interview on the radio so I'm not sure who the interviewing journo was. It def sounded like heavily accented English to me "clues ing". Something else to point out, I've spent a bit of time in Spain and Portugal and often the "S" and "C" are pronounced "TH". It sounds like a lisp but that's how the language works. For instance "thankyou" in Spanish is "gracias", pronounced "grathias". It confused me at first when trying to speak to and understand people, but got the hang of it eventually. When I heard the interview and the heavy accent it sounded like "clues" with a bit of a lisp, which is how a Spaniard would pronounce it.  I'm not sure how the Portuguese pronounce "s" but that is how it sounded. Anyone know if  Portuguese has the same "th" sound as Spanish? 

The other point on that is that the Portuguese press are all over this case and would presumably have been briefed in their own language, no confusion over "clues" and "clothes", it would have been picked up on immediately had the PJ said that clothes had been found. 

I dont think that the blood specks are anymore Madeleine's than mine, and sadly, the Mccanns will be in limbo hell forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, I am in Australia and the case is pretty big here, reported everyday in print broadsheets and tabloids, radio etc. I heard that interview on the radio so I&#8217;m not sure who the interviewing journo was. It def sounded like heavily accented English to me &#8220;clues ing&#8221;. Something else to point out, I&#8217;ve spent a bit of time in Spain and Portugal and often the &#8220;S&#8221; and &#8220;C&#8221; are pronounced &#8220;TH&#8221;. It sounds like a lisp but that&#8217;s how the language works. For instance &#8220;thankyou&#8221; in Spanish is &#8220;gracias&#8221;, pronounced &#8220;grathias&#8221;. It confused me at first when trying to speak to and understand people, but got the hang of it eventually. When I heard the interview and the heavy accent it sounded like &#8220;clues&#8221; with a bit of a lisp, which is how a Spaniard would pronounce it.  I&#8217;m not sure how the Portuguese pronounce &#8220;s&#8221; but that is how it sounded. Anyone know if  Portuguese has the same &#8220;th&#8221; sound as Spanish? </p>
<p>The other point on that is that the Portuguese press are all over this case and would presumably have been briefed in their own language, no confusion over &#8220;clues&#8221; and &#8220;clothes&#8221;, it would have been picked up on immediately had the PJ said that clothes had been found. </p>
<p>I dont think that the blood specks are anymore Madeleine&#8217;s than mine, and sadly, the Mccanns will be in limbo hell forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly does sound as though there is an "ing" after the "clos" or "clues".

I suppose I just assume that the reports of what he said ("clues") have been correct.  I wonder why it has been reported that way?  Would he not have corrected incorrect interpretations?  What are the Portuguese papers saying he said?  

This may simply be a question of poor English (NOT a criticism!) rather than a deliberate misreporting by all the media. I'm quite sure that if they thought he had meant "clothing", the media here would have had a field day.  The mere mention of clothing would certainly not implicate the McCanns in the crime (though it would certainly be devastating for them), so even if our media are trying to protect the McCanns' reputation at all costs (a theory I certainly do not accept), there would be no reason for them not to leap on the mention of Madeleine's clothing being found, or clothing which might be hers. It would certainly be news and no paper would want to fail to report it.

The clothing of the missing Swiss child was found but I don't really think that this is likely to be what was being referred to in the interview. However, I DO think this matter could well be of significance in the Madeleine case, if the information we have been given about this line of enquiry is reliable. The thought of the media providing us with any reliable information about anything is somewhat ludicrous, I know.

The "ing" is odd, though, I agree. 

The McCanns have been through a dreadful week. The people I have heard discussing the matter seem to take the view that it is simply disgraceful that they have had to bear the slurs as well as the tragedy of losing their child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly does sound as though there is an &#8220;ing&#8221; after the &#8220;clos&#8221; or &#8220;clues&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suppose I just assume that the reports of what he said (&#8221;clues&#8221;) have been correct.  I wonder why it has been reported that way?  Would he not have corrected incorrect interpretations?  What are the Portuguese papers saying he said?  </p>
<p>This may simply be a question of poor English (NOT a criticism!) rather than a deliberate misreporting by all the media. I&#8217;m quite sure that if they thought he had meant &#8220;clothing&#8221;, the media here would have had a field day.  The mere mention of clothing would certainly not implicate the McCanns in the crime (though it would certainly be devastating for them), so even if our media are trying to protect the McCanns&#8217; reputation at all costs (a theory I certainly do not accept), there would be no reason for them not to leap on the mention of Madeleine&#8217;s clothing being found, or clothing which might be hers. It would certainly be news and no paper would want to fail to report it.</p>
<p>The clothing of the missing Swiss child was found but I don&#8217;t really think that this is likely to be what was being referred to in the interview. However, I DO think this matter could well be of significance in the Madeleine case, if the information we have been given about this line of enquiry is reliable. The thought of the media providing us with any reliable information about anything is somewhat ludicrous, I know.</p>
<p>The &#8220;ing&#8221; is odd, though, I agree. </p>
<p>The McCanns have been through a dreadful week. The people I have heard discussing the matter seem to take the view that it is simply disgraceful that they have had to bear the slurs as well as the tragedy of losing their child.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24766</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colette, I think its ridiculous the journalist didnt clarify this but then the bbc, as with all our media only want to hear positive things about the McCann's and they are trying to influence what we hear and think. I remember the journalist clarifying that the McCann's were not considered 'suspects' and then the continued report stated in effect "well where does that leave Robert Murat?" Utterly disgraceful journalism because why did the journalist not clarify whether Murat was still a 'suspect'? Obviously the bbc wanted to make the McCann's appear in the best possible light whilst still scapegoating Murat without any evidence yet of ANYTHING.
Another interesting point relates to this interview where I'm convinced he says 'clothing' (sorry if you're bored with it!). Everyone who thinks he says 'clues' (including the whole British media) are left assuming that he is referring to the blood in the appartment. I ask you this. What remotely intelligent police spokesman would state the possibility of the girl's death based on an UNTESTED sample when the blood could belong to anyone??? He wouldn't do it, would he? But 'clothing' would certainly make what he said logical.
Even the 'pro McCann and friends' newspapers today have had a field day with this very issue, again in an attempt to smear anyone BUT the McCanns.

Daily Mirror:
Police said his extaordinary announcement was based on the discovery of blood inside the McCann's appartment at Praia da LUZ.
Friends of Kate and Gerry, both 39, said detectives will be left looking foolish if tests show the blood does not belong to Madeleine, four. One said: "If it turns out that way, then Portugese police are going to look like the Keystone Cops."

Again I cant possibly believe the police spokesman was referring to the blood. The only other answer is that he was making a mischeivous statement in assuming possible death without evidence in order to get 'people' talking who they may have under surveillance (e-mail, phone tap etc). Or it could be 'clothing' he said after all.....

I suppose its one way to proceed for the McCann's and their friends. Create enormous amounts of sympathy. Get the media to declare you virtual saints. Declare the police incompetent. The more this goes on the more I'm convinced that even if the McCann's and friends ARE hiding a sinister secret (as I believe they are but hope I'm wrong) then any excuse possible will be promoted to question any implicating evidence.

One or two people on these boards are already coming up with excuses as to why an unknown abductor would kill the child, clan traces of blood and then abduct them. How ridiculous can it get in an attempt to keep the McCann's out of the equation.

Of course the above scenario is very hypothetical at this stage but you can see where this will be going if god forbid, the McCanns are implicated in ANY way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colette, I think its ridiculous the journalist didnt clarify this but then the bbc, as with all our media only want to hear positive things about the McCann&#8217;s and they are trying to influence what we hear and think. I remember the journalist clarifying that the McCann&#8217;s were not considered &#8217;suspects&#8217; and then the continued report stated in effect &#8220;well where does that leave Robert Murat?&#8221; Utterly disgraceful journalism because why did the journalist not clarify whether Murat was still a &#8217;suspect&#8217;? Obviously the bbc wanted to make the McCann&#8217;s appear in the best possible light whilst still scapegoating Murat without any evidence yet of ANYTHING.<br />
Another interesting point relates to this interview where I&#8217;m convinced he says &#8216;clothing&#8217; (sorry if you&#8217;re bored with it!). Everyone who thinks he says &#8216;clues&#8217; (including the whole British media) are left assuming that he is referring to the blood in the appartment. I ask you this. What remotely intelligent police spokesman would state the possibility of the girl&#8217;s death based on an UNTESTED sample when the blood could belong to anyone??? He wouldn&#8217;t do it, would he? But &#8216;clothing&#8217; would certainly make what he said logical.<br />
Even the &#8216;pro McCann and friends&#8217; newspapers today have had a field day with this very issue, again in an attempt to smear anyone BUT the McCanns.</p>
<p>Daily Mirror:<br />
Police said his extaordinary announcement was based on the discovery of blood inside the McCann&#8217;s appartment at Praia da LUZ.<br />
Friends of Kate and Gerry, both 39, said detectives will be left looking foolish if tests show the blood does not belong to Madeleine, four. One said: &#8220;If it turns out that way, then Portugese police are going to look like the Keystone Cops.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again I cant possibly believe the police spokesman was referring to the blood. The only other answer is that he was making a mischeivous statement in assuming possible death without evidence in order to get &#8216;people&#8217; talking who they may have under surveillance (e-mail, phone tap etc). Or it could be &#8216;clothing&#8217; he said after all&#8230;..</p>
<p>I suppose its one way to proceed for the McCann&#8217;s and their friends. Create enormous amounts of sympathy. Get the media to declare you virtual saints. Declare the police incompetent. The more this goes on the more I&#8217;m convinced that even if the McCann&#8217;s and friends ARE hiding a sinister secret (as I believe they are but hope I&#8217;m wrong) then any excuse possible will be promoted to question any implicating evidence.</p>
<p>One or two people on these boards are already coming up with excuses as to why an unknown abductor would kill the child, clan traces of blood and then abduct them. How ridiculous can it get in an attempt to keep the McCann&#8217;s out of the equation.</p>
<p>Of course the above scenario is very hypothetical at this stage but you can see where this will be going if god forbid, the McCanns are implicated in ANY way.</p>
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		<title>By: Colette</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24715</link>
		<dc:creator>Colette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin,
I've listened to it again, and I agree with you he says "some ‘closing’ in the…had been found."

I'm not sure what the reason for it is, it may just be that his English is weak overall. The whole sentence is: "In the past few days, it gets been happen some developments, and some clos-ing in the... had been found, that could point in the possible death of the little child."

I think it might be possible he said 'clos-ing' but actually meant that to mean 'clues'. Just a thought? But then again, the words 'in the...' sound maybe as though he was going to say where these 'clothings' had been found but then thought better of it.

So you have a vaild point in my opinion - but you may also need a holiday!  I do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin,<br />
I&#8217;ve listened to it again, and I agree with you he says &#8220;some ‘closing’ in the…had been found.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the reason for it is, it may just be that his English is weak overall. The whole sentence is: &#8220;In the past few days, it gets been happen some developments, and some clos-ing in the&#8230; had been found, that could point in the possible death of the little child.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it might be possible he said &#8216;clos-ing&#8217; but actually meant that to mean &#8216;clues&#8217;. Just a thought? But then again, the words &#8216;in the&#8230;&#8217; sound maybe as though he was going to say where these &#8216;clothings&#8217; had been found but then thought better of it.</p>
<p>So you have a vaild point in my opinion - but you may also need a holiday!  I do!</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penster, did the pj speak to any other british journalist apart from the bbc guy? Is it not possible he would deliberately slip something factual or a 'red herring' for the British press to see the reaction of any suspects who may be under surveillance? 
I looked in a newspaper this morning and the quote is "There have been some developments, and CLUES HAVE  been found, that could point to the possible death of the little child." Well a quote is all well and good but the fact remains that if the guy meant to say 'clues' he ended up saying nothing of the sort. Actual quote is "some 'closing' in the...had been found. Now there's only one english word in a portugese accent that fits with 'closing' and that is 'clothing'.
I just cant get past this. My son was online this morning playing with an Australian friend of his. He has heard of the case but it is of no interest to him. We sent him the link to the police interview, told him only to listen to the first few sentences and tell us simply "what did the policeman say was found?" After a moment of silence he uttered "clothing", said it was obvious and when told, said he found it amazing that anyone could assume him to say anything else.
Now of course this doesnt prove anything (and you may be of the opinion that its not 'clothing') but is it just possible that it is indeed that word stated as fact/'red herring' for british consumption to catch out people under surveillance. Have I got a valid point or do I need a holiday? Just off to watch Columbo! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penster, did the pj speak to any other british journalist apart from the bbc guy? Is it not possible he would deliberately slip something factual or a &#8216;red herring&#8217; for the British press to see the reaction of any suspects who may be under surveillance?<br />
I looked in a newspaper this morning and the quote is &#8220;There have been some developments, and CLUES HAVE  been found, that could point to the possible death of the little child.&#8221; Well a quote is all well and good but the fact remains that if the guy meant to say &#8216;clues&#8217; he ended up saying nothing of the sort. Actual quote is &#8220;some &#8216;closing&#8217; in the&#8230;had been found. Now there&#8217;s only one english word in a portugese accent that fits with &#8216;closing&#8217; and that is &#8216;clothing&#8217;.<br />
I just cant get past this. My son was online this morning playing with an Australian friend of his. He has heard of the case but it is of no interest to him. We sent him the link to the police interview, told him only to listen to the first few sentences and tell us simply &#8220;what did the policeman say was found?&#8221; After a moment of silence he uttered &#8220;clothing&#8221;, said it was obvious and when told, said he found it amazing that anyone could assume him to say anything else.<br />
Now of course this doesnt prove anything (and you may be of the opinion that its not &#8216;clothing&#8217;) but is it just possible that it is indeed that word stated as fact/&#8217;red herring&#8217; for british consumption to catch out people under surveillance. Have I got a valid point or do I need a holiday? Just off to watch Columbo! lol</p>
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		<title>By: Chopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogstar  - I see what you are saying, it is just a natural trait of humankind, it is only made 'wrong' by others in society.  However, there are lots of things which we could probably regard as human traits, rape, bestiality and things like that.
What are we supposed to do, provide nominated children for these people to fulfill their needs upon because it is just part of human nature?  I don't for one second believe that you think that, but how can such a problem (that is what it is for the rest of society) be sorted without making it illegal and/or immoral?
Mind you, knowing the UK where the minority seem to rule it could well happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogstar  - I see what you are saying, it is just a natural trait of humankind, it is only made &#8216;wrong&#8217; by others in society.  However, there are lots of things which we could probably regard as human traits, rape, bestiality and things like that.<br />
What are we supposed to do, provide nominated children for these people to fulfill their needs upon because it is just part of human nature?  I don&#8217;t for one second believe that you think that, but how can such a problem (that is what it is for the rest of society) be sorted without making it illegal and/or immoral?<br />
Mind you, knowing the UK where the minority seem to rule it could well happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Penster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin I think that this case is of enormous interest to the Portugese and the PJ has been briefing the press in their own lingo naturally. I dont think they'd be relying on his broken English, translated back into Portugese and delivered under pressure to write in the daily rag.

Dogstar you write of paedophilia: "It is yet another unfortunate expression of human sexuality, however unpalatable and unacceptable that might be to the great majority of adults" - what about the kids and babies who are violated? They dont know big words like unpalatable and unacceptable. But "it hurts" would go some way to summing things up. A society should be judged on how well it treats the vulnerable - kids, elderly etc. And for the most part, those without a legal voice ie: loads of money is largely ignored. People who violate those who have absolutely no way of defending themselves should be hunted, but as you say, celebrity is the new God and war, famine will be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin I think that this case is of enormous interest to the Portugese and the PJ has been briefing the press in their own lingo naturally. I dont think they&#8217;d be relying on his broken English, translated back into Portugese and delivered under pressure to write in the daily rag.</p>
<p>Dogstar you write of paedophilia: &#8220;It is yet another unfortunate expression of human sexuality, however unpalatable and unacceptable that might be to the great majority of adults&#8221; - what about the kids and babies who are violated? They dont know big words like unpalatable and unacceptable. But &#8220;it hurts&#8221; would go some way to summing things up. A society should be judged on how well it treats the vulnerable - kids, elderly etc. And for the most part, those without a legal voice ie: loads of money is largely ignored. People who violate those who have absolutely no way of defending themselves should be hunted, but as you say, celebrity is the new God and war, famine will be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still not convinced. He says 'close' and 'ing'. Says clothing to me. And would the Portugese easily be able to translate back into their language something that doesnt 'sound' like the word 'clothing' when spoken in English? Good god, we're just confused about the english translation. After it he says this might lead to the possible death of the child. Well he cant be referring to the blood because he wouldn't say that until tests are done. But clothes being found could indeed lead to him saying this is a possibility....I personally cant see any other interpretation on what he said. It cant be 'clues' because there's an 'ing' after it and it cant be 'clues and' because he then says "has been found". I may be going out on a limb here and of course i may be wrong but i'm pretty sure what i think i heard him say.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still not convinced. He says &#8216;close&#8217; and &#8216;ing&#8217;. Says clothing to me. And would the Portugese easily be able to translate back into their language something that doesnt &#8217;sound&#8217; like the word &#8216;clothing&#8217; when spoken in English? Good god, we&#8217;re just confused about the english translation. After it he says this might lead to the possible death of the child. Well he cant be referring to the blood because he wouldn&#8217;t say that until tests are done. But clothes being found could indeed lead to him saying this is a possibility&#8230;.I personally cant see any other interpretation on what he said. It cant be &#8216;clues&#8217; because there&#8217;s an &#8216;ing&#8217; after it and it cant be &#8216;clues and&#8217; because he then says &#8220;has been found&#8221;. I may be going out on a limb here and of course i may be wrong but i&#8217;m pretty sure what i think i heard him say&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dogstar</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24553</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Anorak suggests, the entire Madeleine McCann story has done nothing to enlighten the great majority about the whole issue of paedophilia. It exists. It always has (read your classics and your social histories) and it always will. It is not a 'disease', an 'illness' or a 'peversion'. It is yet another unfortunate expression of human sexuality, however unpalatable and unacceptable that might be to the great majority of adults. Until we - in mainstream societies - can get past that one fundamental, nothing will happen. We are marooned in the Middle-Ages, concocting knee-jerk laws and restrictions to villify and isolate the people we 'don't like the look of', to legalise modern-day witchunting and all but provide the torches and rope to go on yet another lynching every time something like a child's disappearance happens, or much less.

You know, adults get shot, stabbed, murdered, chopped-up and stolen all the time, every day, everywhere. But only when a child is involved do otherwise normal people suddenly become completely regressive, ditching all notions of common sense and justice - they act on some primal, highly contageous instinct to 'take it out' on the nearest, most likely suspect. In this modern age, more perhaps than ever before, there seems to be an unspoken license, both on the part of police and government, to act like a complete fools whenever paedophilia enters the equation (imagined or not). 

But it's pointless to ever look to the tabloids or even the broadsheets for any sensible discussion around the subject. It will not happen until there is a seismic shift in social, political and legal thinking. And I think that day is very, very far away. The McCann girl's tragedy is, in the end, what it always was - before it was hijacked by the tabloids, that is - a sad tale of a child's disappearance in a small Portugese holiday town. It happens all the time, everywhere. It always has. We have very short memories in this modern age. History seems to have taught us nothing. The most important questions - war, poverty, child-abuse - are left unattended, the elephants in the room, while we watch 24-hour reality TV and worship at the altar of celebrity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Anorak suggests, the entire Madeleine McCann story has done nothing to enlighten the great majority about the whole issue of paedophilia. It exists. It always has (read your classics and your social histories) and it always will. It is not a &#8216;disease&#8217;, an &#8216;illness&#8217; or a &#8216;peversion&#8217;. It is yet another unfortunate expression of human sexuality, however unpalatable and unacceptable that might be to the great majority of adults. Until we - in mainstream societies - can get past that one fundamental, nothing will happen. We are marooned in the Middle-Ages, concocting knee-jerk laws and restrictions to villify and isolate the people we &#8216;don&#8217;t like the look of&#8217;, to legalise modern-day witchunting and all but provide the torches and rope to go on yet another lynching every time something like a child&#8217;s disappearance happens, or much less.</p>
<p>You know, adults get shot, stabbed, murdered, chopped-up and stolen all the time, every day, everywhere. But only when a child is involved do otherwise normal people suddenly become completely regressive, ditching all notions of common sense and justice - they act on some primal, highly contageous instinct to &#8216;take it out&#8217; on the nearest, most likely suspect. In this modern age, more perhaps than ever before, there seems to be an unspoken license, both on the part of police and government, to act like a complete fools whenever paedophilia enters the equation (imagined or not). </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s pointless to ever look to the tabloids or even the broadsheets for any sensible discussion around the subject. It will not happen until there is a seismic shift in social, political and legal thinking. And I think that day is very, very far away. The McCann girl&#8217;s tragedy is, in the end, what it always was - before it was hijacked by the tabloids, that is - a sad tale of a child&#8217;s disappearance in a small Portugese holiday town. It happens all the time, everywhere. It always has. We have very short memories in this modern age. History seems to have taught us nothing. The most important questions - war, poverty, child-abuse - are left unattended, the elephants in the room, while we watch 24-hour reality TV and worship at the altar of celebrity.</p>
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		<title>By: Molly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes perfect sense Penster - I have translated access (via several Portuguese contacts in PDL) to both Portuguese papers and TV broadcasts and Clothing has certainly NOT been mentioned, so I'm guessing this is a translation/accent mis-understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes perfect sense Penster - I have translated access (via several Portuguese contacts in PDL) to both Portuguese papers and TV broadcasts and Clothing has certainly NOT been mentioned, so I&#8217;m guessing this is a translation/accent mis-understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Penster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria when I heard it, it sounded like "clues and" with a very heavy accent. If it's clothing then that explains the suggestion of murder but presumably the interview was also given in Portugese, and if it was indeed "clothes" it would be all over the Portugese tabloids and then picked up by the rest of the world. Does this make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria when I heard it, it sounded like &#8220;clues and&#8221; with a very heavy accent. If it&#8217;s clothing then that explains the suggestion of murder but presumably the interview was also given in Portugese, and if it was indeed &#8220;clothes&#8221; it would be all over the Portugese tabloids and then picked up by the rest of the world. Does this make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Colette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maria,
I was going to post earlier after listening to the INTV again (over and over) - I initially thought 'clues' as well (on first hearing), but on going over it time after time I heard 'clues-ing'. ie: what Martin says he heard as well, the ING i tried to ignore to make it just 'clues'  but I could not ignore, and so it is 'Cluesing' which I guess translates as clothing. Gulp! Who knows anything?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maria,<br />
I was going to post earlier after listening to the INTV again (over and over) - I initially thought &#8216;clues&#8217; as well (on first hearing), but on going over it time after time I heard &#8216;clues-ing&#8217;. ie: what Martin says he heard as well, the ING i tried to ignore to make it just &#8216;clues&#8217;  but I could not ignore, and so it is &#8216;Cluesing&#8217; which I guess translates as clothing. Gulp! Who knows anything?!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24480</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.  I may be wrong Martin but I think the policeman said that some "clues" had been found. I find it a bit difficult to understand his accent just at that point but all the reports seem to have written it up as "clues".  Maybe I've got the wrong interview, or the wrong bit, or I may have misheard but I THINK that is what was said. What do others think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.  I may be wrong Martin but I think the policeman said that some &#8220;clues&#8221; had been found. I find it a bit difficult to understand his accent just at that point but all the reports seem to have written it up as &#8220;clues&#8221;.  Maybe I&#8217;ve got the wrong interview, or the wrong bit, or I may have misheard but I THINK that is what was said. What do others think?</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24379</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey everyone, i may be going completely mad here (surely not) but that policeman said "some CLOTHING has been found". Check out the interview on the bbc. His accent made it sound like "closing". Thats my view and that is why they think she may be dead. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY is mentioning this rather important point.  Not even the bbc who assume the policeman was referring to bloodstains but the police wouldnt assume possible death unless they knew whose blood it was. Check the interview. Am i the only person in the world to notice this.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everyone, i may be going completely mad here (surely not) but that policeman said &#8220;some CLOTHING has been found&#8221;. Check out the interview on the bbc. His accent made it sound like &#8220;closing&#8221;. Thats my view and that is why they think she may be dead. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY is mentioning this rather important point.  Not even the bbc who assume the policeman was referring to bloodstains but the police wouldnt assume possible death unless they knew whose blood it was. Check the interview. Am i the only person in the world to notice this&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: johnusa</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24366</link>
		<dc:creator>johnusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anorak-I can tell you what the media tells us about the case-not much of substance, more innuendo, spectulation and downright untruths. For example-one UK paper stated outright that the blood on the McCann apt wall was Madeleine's and this was BEFORE it had even been TESTED! To me, this is irresponsible reporting no matter how you cut it. Also it has been said that the McCann apt has been rented out a number of times since the disappearance of Madeleine! And it has only been recently the police found what they call "blood" on the wall there. Maybe it was from one of the renters!  Sounds reasonable to me. The armchair detectives out there have no more facts than I do. Some of the bloggers on this site make a little bit of sense but many are nasty,vindictive and grossly unfeeling! Maybe they need to step into the McCann's shoes with a darling helpless child missing and then it would be an entirely different story, wouldn't it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anorak-I can tell you what the media tells us about the case-not much of substance, more innuendo, spectulation and downright untruths. For example-one UK paper stated outright that the blood on the McCann apt wall was Madeleine&#8217;s and this was BEFORE it had even been TESTED! To me, this is irresponsible reporting no matter how you cut it. Also it has been said that the McCann apt has been rented out a number of times since the disappearance of Madeleine! And it has only been recently the police found what they call &#8220;blood&#8221; on the wall there. Maybe it was from one of the renters!  Sounds reasonable to me. The armchair detectives out there have no more facts than I do. Some of the bloggers on this site make a little bit of sense but many are nasty,vindictive and grossly unfeeling! Maybe they need to step into the McCann&#8217;s shoes with a darling helpless child missing and then it would be an entirely different story, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24363</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another point might be worth making.  Gerry has repeatedly said that they accept fully that the police have a job to do and that clearly includes investigating all possibilities, all suspects and all scenarios. It would appear that the McCanns have co-operated fully with the police investigation at all stages. They appear desperately keen to do so and have never attempted to avoid anything at all in the desperate search for their missing daughter. These people are not stupid. They know as well as anyone what is involved in a police investigation. However, allowing police to get on with their job is not the same as having to suffer allegations, as yet unproved, indeed, for which there is not a shred of real evidence at all, made in the public forum.
Kate said in an interview which I watched on the net yesterday, that the pain of being without Madeleine is so great that newspaper slurs are simply an irrelevance (I don't recall the exact words she used but they were to that effect). 
One can only hope so and hope also, against the odds, that a happy outcome may still be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another point might be worth making.  Gerry has repeatedly said that they accept fully that the police have a job to do and that clearly includes investigating all possibilities, all suspects and all scenarios. It would appear that the McCanns have co-operated fully with the police investigation at all stages. They appear desperately keen to do so and have never attempted to avoid anything at all in the desperate search for their missing daughter. These people are not stupid. They know as well as anyone what is involved in a police investigation. However, allowing police to get on with their job is not the same as having to suffer allegations, as yet unproved, indeed, for which there is not a shred of real evidence at all, made in the public forum.<br />
Kate said in an interview which I watched on the net yesterday, that the pain of being without Madeleine is so great that newspaper slurs are simply an irrelevance (I don&#8217;t recall the exact words she used but they were to that effect).<br />
One can only hope so and hope also, against the odds, that a happy outcome may still be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24360</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The newspapers peddling scurrilous, dangerous and ludicrous theories should be banned from publication. Free speech is essential but there has to be a limit on what may be said or written in terms of accusations, or implied accusations, of other people. Mud sticks. Bad enough to be living the tragedy which the McCanns are living, without the unfounded horrific slurs to which they have been subjected this last week. Worst of all is that these slurs are hidden, in certain papers, like the Daily Express, under a thin veil of "caring" about Madeleine and her family. 
How long are we going to tolerate such a press?
Congratulations to the Independent which did, last week, attempt to portray a balanced view of the state of the "news" (non-news, actually) about the case at that moment.
I was out of the UK and had no access to the net and limited access to newspapers so I can speak only about the two newspapers I've mentioned. 
Early on, with reference to Robert Murat, Gerry made the point that evryone must be seen as innocent until convicted and proved guilty. The same provilege should now be accorded to him and his wife.
What we have is trial by media, especially the gutter press. Something must be done to stop this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The newspapers peddling scurrilous, dangerous and ludicrous theories should be banned from publication. Free speech is essential but there has to be a limit on what may be said or written in terms of accusations, or implied accusations, of other people. Mud sticks. Bad enough to be living the tragedy which the McCanns are living, without the unfounded horrific slurs to which they have been subjected this last week. Worst of all is that these slurs are hidden, in certain papers, like the Daily Express, under a thin veil of &#8220;caring&#8221; about Madeleine and her family.<br />
How long are we going to tolerate such a press?<br />
Congratulations to the Independent which did, last week, attempt to portray a balanced view of the state of the &#8220;news&#8221; (non-news, actually) about the case at that moment.<br />
I was out of the UK and had no access to the net and limited access to newspapers so I can speak only about the two newspapers I&#8217;ve mentioned.<br />
Early on, with reference to Robert Murat, Gerry made the point that evryone must be seen as innocent until convicted and proved guilty. The same provilege should now be accorded to him and his wife.<br />
What we have is trial by media, especially the gutter press. Something must be done to stop this.</p>
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		<title>By: martin</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/175866.html#comment-24330</link>
		<dc:creator>martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 10:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forget that until evidence suggests otherwise, the 'poor' parents are under just as much suspicion as anyone else. Even if they've done nothing wrong thats the way it should be. They should not be bothered by that if they've nothing to hide. Stop being apologists for the parents until you know for sure they are deserving of it. After all, in the absence of any other evidence you focus on the last person(s) who claim to have seen the child. Remember Soham? It is only natural that the parents will come under more scrutiny, guilty or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forget that until evidence suggests otherwise, the &#8216;poor&#8217; parents are under just as much suspicion as anyone else. Even if they&#8217;ve done nothing wrong thats the way it should be. They should not be bothered by that if they&#8217;ve nothing to hide. Stop being apologists for the parents until you know for sure they are deserving of it. After all, in the absence of any other evidence you focus on the last person(s) who claim to have seen the child. Remember Soham? It is only natural that the parents will come under more scrutiny, guilty or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orion - do you think what pople say on an internet forum is different to what they think in private and say to friends and family? Anyone sane wants Madeleine found safe and well - how can we not feel for the parents, whose pain is all too real. But what does the media tell us about the case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orion - do you think what pople say on an internet forum is different to what they think in private and say to friends and family? Anyone sane wants Madeleine found safe and well - how can we not feel for the parents, whose pain is all too real. But what does the media tell us about the case?</p>
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