What’s Your Line On Madeleine McCann?
“MADELEINE. NOW POLICE TELL PARENTS: DON’T LEAVE PORTUGAL.”
Or, as the Mirror’s front-page headline puts it: “DON’T GO HOME.”
Both papers feature the familiar picture of Madeleine McCann’s face. The Mirror talks of “hopes” of a “swift breakthrough in the case”.
The Express is, as ever, less circumspect, and says “a major breakthrough was imminent”. And, as yesterday, the investigation is at “crucial stage”.
So the McCanns won’t go home?
Here’s a “police source” to tell Express readers: “There is nothing to stop the McCanns going home. They are not suspects but we have told them it is not good timing because the investigation has changed. It is active now to assume that Madeleine is dead.”
So they can go home. The police have not told the McCanns to remain in Portugal. The Mirror’s source says “there could be developments”.
For starters, we now know “There is more than one person involved’.” Says police spokesman Olegario Sousa: “It’s natural than in a crime of this nature more than one person is involved.” But he can’t be certain. He adds: “If it was committed by one person, it would be difficult to resolve the case because only he or she knows what they did.”
Good to know that this case, now in its fourth month, is not as hard to crack as it could be. Says Sousa: “We don’t have a final view of what happened.”
So it could be one person. Or two. Or none. But there is a breakthrough imminent. “Do you think if we had the name we’d be waiting to arrest them?” asks Sousa.
The Express listens to this and manages to deduce from it, “police gave a rare official assurance that the investigation was nearing completion”.
Says Sousa: “The things that could happen depend on the decision of the group investigating the case.”
And: “We have already said that all lines are still open.”
And Madeleine McCann is missing…
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September 1st, 2007 at 10:36 pm
I think the McCanns are liars and probably murderers. But they are for some unknown reason being protected by the top echelons in Britain. Why? Perhaps if the truth were really known some well known, influential, governmental, or whatever, people would be uncovered. Why is it taking the British lab endless time to process these blood samples? Why, going back to the timeline of the so-called “snatching” did smug Mr. McCann return to the flat at 9.05-pm, not see Madeleine, presume she’d toddled off into another room…AND NOT EVEN LOOK FOR HER? It can only be because he knew darned well what had happened to her and that she wasn’t even in the flat at that time. The same foreknowledge is shown by the woman “friend” who saw a man with a child in a blanket and thought nothing of it –”but that child could have been Madeleine!!!” she says, with hindsight, adding (when Murat was in the frame) “Oh, I’d know him (Murat) anywhere” Nothing like smearing someone else when things get too close to home. And who was actually carrying Madeleine (assuming it was her)? Could it possible have been someone known to “the friend”? or Mr. McCann himself? And why in the first instance did several adults from different parts of the country go “on holiday” to Portugal and dump their children (or at least the McCann ones) in the nursery all day - no sun, sea and sand for them! What was their game? For sure there was/is one. Why was the flat door left open? Why was the window “jammed open” when the door was open? Why did Mrs. McCann tell the woman upstairs that the police had been called when they hadn’t? So many questions and contradictions. I just hope the Portuguese police are not being silenced and controlled by the British. Why did they get in there in the first place? Did the Portuguese invite them? Or did they force their way in?
August 24th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Golly gosh what a forum. Only came here from google to see what the latest news was… as I find it all a bit strange… the parents’ behaviours… the stuff about the accident…
August 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
atually sos im a girl and no unlike u i dont spend my time on the internet but as you can sit there and use that language u have to be miner with nothing better to do in your time.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
“Whats your line on madeleine mc cann” hello the whole point of this is to leave comments on what you think of the whole thing, not for the likes of truthman who is clearly a very sad, lonely perverted twat who has nothing better to be doing then leaving comments like he is, hes prob a sad little nobber who spends his time on the net and is prob banned from all the sites he wants to go on cause hes a freak so hes got to come on this and be a perverted f*****g weirdo.
August 24th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
I dont agree what madeleines parents done leaving her in the room on her own but i feel that the parents are suffering already without people constantly pointing out there faults. These parents are going through something that no parents should ever go through and what most of us have never experienced and couldnt even to begin to no what sort of pain they are feeling. My heart goes out to them and i hope that there little girl does come home safe and my thoughts are with that little girl. I know that any parent sitting there now has proberly made a mistake with there children or done something they wished they could do diffrent we all do and sometimes it can be fixed sometimes not but if we all stand behind the parents and send are thoughts and are sorrow instead of all these nasty comments maybe there would be some hope. Its these kind of comments and the way people think in this world is why we have these things happen . If it was your child im sure you would want people to be more supportive towards you.
August 24th, 2007 at 4:54 am
If I am right about that then I am not such a dumb cunt after all. If not, nothing new!
August 24th, 2007 at 4:53 am
OKAY JUST A SHOT AT IT BUT MODERATION SOUNDS LIKE PAUL
August 24th, 2007 at 12:51 am
Well said Cannie and Molly.
Saddly though if the police in Portugal don’t charge them there is nothing that can be done by the police in this country. However that said there is nothing to stop social services investigating their past and future fitness as parents.
I also think that given their professions and the fact that they are legally required to report suspected cases of neglect and abuse, they should be struck of as they are hardly likely to report anyone for neglect when they themselves are guilty of it. That just puts other children in danger.
August 24th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Finally I quickly read the article about Mr. McCann considering a lawsuit. I don’t know if he really wants to bring the nightly routine under that kind of scrutiny after hearing Mrs. Fen’s reported testimony. Just that the child cried for over and hour and again another night while alone is enough to question if the she could have been hurt in some way. Of course, I don’t know what the newpaper said either so? Mr. McCann said at one time that their parenting was considering within some kind of boudaries so maybe whatever the news reporter said is within some kind of boundaries too?
The fact is while we discuss this case and other people are hanging posters and searching for Madeleine Mr. McCann explains how he keeps up his jogging. It is not that he is jogging that is a problem but how that comes across to others causing speculation. Sorry, but as time goes on and I read articles about Mrs. Fen’s observations and so on I am not impressed. I doubt the McCanns will try to sue Mrs. Fenn for her statements.
I don’t know how long it takes to Spain from the Algarve but it is possible someone could have been close to Spain with Madeleine before the police were called? I have seen various reports about the time the police were called but also considering the times of the checks on children and the length of time to Spain.
Response to Diane An error in judgement is one thing one night but as the routine continued, child crying enough to bring attention to neighbors, hotel worried, a back area unable to view from Tapas, etc. etc. all while having a service at the complex to help with children. A big mistake in judgement possibly ignoring red flags. I don’t see how it is fair to question the opinion of people who make remarks or at least that is a hard position to take at this point.
All a sad state of affairs but I haven’t given up hope that Madeleine could be alive.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pm
I’ve been thinking this evening … today’s news about Mrs Fenn’s statement really got to me.
I remember when my children were babies…those rare occasions when they would become inconsolable about something. They would sob and sob, becoming so distraught that they started to hiccup…. Faces red, little bodies burning hot and their hair plastered to their heads with sweat. And me holding them close and talking to them until it peaked and they gradually calmed down. Then sponging them down, remaking the bed, and settling them back down to sleep.
According to Mrs Fenn Madeleine cried for one and a quarter hours on the evening of the 1st May, and only stopped when her parents returned. Can you imagine the state that that tiny little girl was in by then? ONE HOUR AND 15 MINUTES - a lifetime for any child
And Yet … they still went out and left her again.
August 23rd, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Diane- i have copied this from an eariler post but i think it sums up what a lot of people think. It was a pretty big error of judgement !!!!
The McCanns dined out every night of their holiday while their poor children slept alone. They are lucky that this happened on the night they chose to dine in the tapas bar and not Tuesday for example when they dined in Chaplins, below their beloved church, near the beach, 8 times the distance away. They never once checked on their children as they claim, ask the staff!
Talk to elderly Mrs. Senn who lives above and she’ll tell you on that particular Tuesday night she had to sit listening to one of the children “screeming, crying” from 22:30 til 23:45. They went to dinner around 19:00h. Those poor, poor children.
Yes, they should be prosecuted. How DARE they preach to other parents and try to teach us safety measures to ensure our children are safe from predators? How DARE they take the positions of heroes? How DARE they commit this crime upon poor Madeleine? Yes, they did it. If a child was abandoned on a rock surrounded by ocean, fell in and was eaten by a shark, who would you prosecute? The shark? They delivered their baby to her predator. I fear for Sean and Amelie. They haven’t “learnt their lesson” as some idiots keep saying. They deny doing anything wrong and still galavant around the globe doing their holier than thou parade while their remaining children are left to (I’m positive) much more competent care. Why did they use the creche all day every day and decline the night time services? Why, when staff got worried did they also decline the monitoring services? What were they afraid of us monitoring? Stop protecting these monsters. Stop raising them to saintliness. They’re criminals. Why are people so PC? If they had been Portuguese they’d have been charged within hours and their twins removed from them. I just hope that whoever took Madeleine took her because they witnessed her parents’ total lack of care and thought she deserved better. There are lunatics out there who’d do such a thing. We have 2 seperate issues here, please stop getting them confused. We have a poor missing little baby who has been taken away from her family. We have a complete separate issue: two so called parents who committed crime (on a regular basis). YES they should be prosecuted. YES, YES, YES.
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:11 pm
The McCanns took the decision to create a media circus that it was impossible to avoid - they wanted the public involved… well now they ARE involved!
The point of all the publicity, so we were told, was to keep Madeleine in the public eye … well she IS still in the public eye - courtesy of forums like this across the net. It doesn’t matter whether each contributor supports the McCann parents or despises them, we are all here because of Madeleine, and because of a desire to know what REALLY happened to her. So the McCanns’ stated goal has been achieved - why then are they bothered about what people say about them? If they are truly innocent then they have nothing to worry about do they?
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:22 pm
There but for the grace of God go I. OK so I am not into religion but to emphasize a point! Do any of you have the faintest idea what you are droning on about? How dare you judge the McCanns and speculate about their baby girl and what has happened to her,what type of person Kate or Gerry is.Have you ever had a child you adore? ever made an error in judgement? Well I suggest until you have lost a much wanted child you go and do something useful!
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm
Scenario: Excited daughter wouldn’t sleep, thus preventing parents leaving for the restaurant. Doctor parents administer some form of sedative or injection only to return later to find the child dead. I believe this is what the Portugese police are refering to Madeleine dying in the apartment as the result of an accident.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:37 am
Hazel (345)
“If I lost a child in those circumstances I wouldnt be jetting off to see the pope etc”
I’m no fan of these people either but it’s easy to preach about what we would have done differently. This closing the stable door after the horse has bolted isn’t really helping. No-one can watch their child every minute of the day and there are thousands of Kates and Gerrys who aren’t in the news today because in the moments they weren’t with their children they just happened to get lucky.
In the circumstances, K & G have made the decision to keep Madeleine’s press profile as high as they can and while these exercises aren’t to everyone’s taste - don’t know about you but I’m getting the feeling there’s a bit of ‘Madeleine Fatigue’ creeping in - I think they’re too focused to care.
Imagine for one horrible moment it’s YOUR child that’s missing. Without resorting to criticism of what the McCann have or haven’t done and looking purely at the present and future, what would YOU be doing to effect your child’s safe return?
August 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 am
22/08/2007 News noticica CanalSur Enviar
The Police and the Civil Guard do not have indications that the girl who disappeared in Portugal has been in Spanish territory as claimed by the parents of Madeleine in several Spanish papers.
Police and Civil Guard at this moment do not maintain a line of investigation on the possible presence of the British girl Madeleine McCann in Spain or as to the passage of the child through the country at any time subsequent to her disappearance, said sources from the units of both Bodies in charge of the disappearance.
In several interviews published today in Spanish papers, the parents of Madeleine point to the possibility that their daughter is in Spain and say that the Spanish Forces of Security “are involved” in the investigation. However, both the Police and the Civil Guard maintain that no line of investigation has been opened in that sense.
http://www.canalsur.es/informa…..a?id=23147
Moderation -
For someone who claims to want to see ‘fairness’ you can be exremely biased. The translations that I post come from far more sources than just Sol, as you are well aware, and are not translated by myself, but by native Portuguese, living in Portugal. The British Media are biased in this case, as I’m sure are the Portuguese - However, most posters on this site have free access to English language stories and can search for and read them for themselves. I merely seek to offer a balance by posting the Portuguese and Spanish offerings… no doubt the truth lies somewhere in between, as in so much of life, and I am sure that posters here have the intelligence to read both and decide for themselves!
To personally attack me, without provokation, merely for copy and pasting translations is uncalled for.
August 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 am
Oh well, no one on I will try to check back tomorrow night.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 am
One more question and that is what appears to be happening with this case in the UK?
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 am
There is one curious something and that is why the parents want to continue with so much media if the recognition factor is covered and the investigation could be hampered? It is hard to figure other than recognition how the public is helpful. Maybe the McCanns disagree about the Portugal police saying they think Madeleine died but the UK police have been there too. Do the Portugal and UK police agree in theory? If so then why to the McCanns not trust the UK police? That is appears to be missing in the police McCann controversy about Madeleine.
August 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 am
There continues to be talk about the accidental death theory. When will more about that be explained? At some point the police must move on and explain more in length about why they assume Madeleine died and how. Why weren’t the parents and friends offered lie detector early on to rule them in or out? How do the parents KNOW for sure they can trust their friends? Earlier today I read an article that they trust their friends completely.
Response to Hazel It is hard to figure why the parents want to much public attention if they knew what happened. Early on they could have left Portugal with her listed as missing without any problem it seemed??? That is the part hard to figure. If the parents knew then when will this all end and how?
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:38 am
I think the mccanns know exactly what happened to their daughter.
Everytime shes out of the papers for a couple of days,they think of a way to get her back in it, when her dad went to London he lost his wallet,so why did it take a few weeks for it to be mentioned, it was only mentioned after Maddy hadnt been written about for a few days.
the police said they need to check all the witness statements,as something doesnt add up, is that because everyone knows where she is and what hapened to her,
If I lost a child in those circumstances I wouldnt be jetting off to see the pope etc without the kids I had left,I wouldnt have left them alone for a minute,, but all you se is them with her toy cat,and no sign of the other kids,
something about this stinks
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:37 am
Haireyairey hi where did you come from? I see what you mean yes. What I think happens is some people are at a particular time where they can think about whatever the topic is at the time. When the Madeleine news broke my mom was in the hospital, which resulted in a sort of limbo and schedule change at my house. There was much more time to devote to the news and just something to think about and discuss. The fact is people who had time to consider for a while will need to move on and unless there is something that continues to inspire new people to have interest the case will go cold unless resolved.
There is also an element where the people who do have the time, just due to timing, are questioned why they even care blah blah which is a little strange considering there is supposedly an effort to keep the case in the news and having an interest would be encouraged.
There has been a lot to learn as a result of this case, in many ways other than just a missing person aspect.
I remain hopeful but I must move on now due to change in my circumstances. Having had the time initially to spend on the details of the case, I am curious to learn if there will be a resolution or a statistic, which Mr. McCann referred to in a recent article.
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:26 am
The only person I have any sympathy for is Madeleine and the Portugese for having to pick up the pieces of the McCanns’ selfishness and child neglect.
Gerry is a joke, he whinges on about haircuts and ‘going out for a run’, like he’s a international celebrity instead of a desperate Father trying to find his daughter.
What’s next? Will we be seeing plastic ‘Maddie’ Dolls hitting the top 10 must have toys for Xmas, followed by the twin siblings? What special features would they have..leave them alone for hours and they vanish into thin air?
August 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 am
Exactly where genuine people are suppose to go is unclear but I see what you mean.
I only tried to think of a longer term recognition approach in case Madeleine is alive and especially if a specific area is considered. My consideration is only a result of realizing few people, other than possibly family members, will continue to wear bracelets and tee shirts. It is possible the investigation has been directed and working and the recognition factor is no longer a concern.
In the case of missing people where the recognition factor, or saturation, is a goal I tried to think but unknowing, of course, what is already being done fully.
Many missing people families probably have a financial limit but in a case where there is money to be spent on recognition I will give an example of a few ideas.
There should be a way to ask the churches to include an insert, in hymn books for instance. With enough inserts if people remove one the insert can easily be replaced often enough. Churches cover a lot of territory. I don’t know how the campaign works but with a personalized call, telemarket whatever.
Also, longer term than bracelets are calendars, if there is a long term need. Most people with their own children or interests might not want a calendar with only that info but whatever visual appealing as the main focus of the calendar with the info about Madeleine including monthly in a way that does not take away from might be a personal liking of the calendar otherwise. Calendars are good for a year but must be especially visually appealing so people don’t toss.
I don’t know if phone books in Portugal are like they are here but another source many people frequent. An ad about a number for missing children with a picture. Phone books are good long term too.
Any place with large gatherings that hand out pamphlets could include an insert. Pamphlets that can be picked up while at markets which are beneficial to people in other ways, personal interest, such as explaining ways to keep children safe and then Madeleine’s info included.
Also, maybe a thought to advertise the reward in info people read who hang around shady areas. Odd to suggest hanging posters showing reward in bars, travel restrooms, etc.
I don’t know how Spain is about billboards but that is a longer term even hwy coverage.
There are many ways to saturate an area if that is the reasoning. Obviously newpapers and television cover the most territory but eventually the news will not be as it has been in this case. The most practical something that will not be discarded quickly.
A lot more I can think, some of which would require more effort but a better and much longer lasting display. I tend to resolve problems with paint so I have an idea about that too but possibly too much work for most.
Hopefully there are new developments and there is no longer a need for further thought about recognition.
The fact is while my thinking might be dizzy I have noticed the substance matter going down the drain. At least this is an effort to think of something constructive to talk about just in case. After all the time spent somehow it seems important to include something to think about knowing the possibility of any of it being worthwhile maybe slim.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:19 am
I have to say, I’ve had a lot of sympathy with the McCanns - I have two children and have left them in a UK hotel room but with door locked and baby listening on. I did originally feel that the McCanns had just made an unfortunate judgement call. However, with the information I’ve read recently, I now realise it wasn’t just like they were ‘at the bottom of the garden’, they couldn’t even see the front door and they lef the apartment unlocked. It’s unbelievable.
I really don’t think Madeleine will be found alive - much as I wish she would be. There’s every chance she went looking for her parents if the door was unlocked and got hit by a car.
I have the feeling we’ll never find out what really happened but, how could Gerry and Kate have done that? A feelling I’m sure they both share.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 am
Isn’t it amazing how much speculation there is about what has happened to Madeleine? Has anyone not realised that this is simply feeding a media frenzy? I read another post on this site today that Robert Murat supposedly took Madeleine on his own passport back to the UK, yet you haven’t been able to have a child on a passport since 1998 (see http://www.passport.gov.uk/passport_child_already.asp). Any child still on a parents passport is now either 8 or 9 years old. The reason for this change? To prevent child abduction no less!
As for the criticism of the McCanns, how many people let their guard down on holiday? There’s a reason why Vatican City has the highest crime rate per head of population in the EU (maybe even the world) and that’s because it is always full of visitors who are looking at the sights not their wallets/purses.
On Monday I let my 9 year old boy go out of my sight climbing Cader Idris. Does that make me a reckless parent? Of course not. Actually the most dangerous thing we can do to children is put them in a car. The next dangerous things are to let them near roads on foot or on a bicycle. The McCanns took a risk which in hindsight they would not do again. The expression “There but for the grace of God…” springs to mind.
What I would say though is consider what hasn’t happened thus far. There’s a lot more going on under the surface of the investigation than even the press realise.
August 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 am
Oh, forgot to say after talking to my husband we are confused whether the goal is to saturate an area such as Spain or to work behind the scenes. I only think of ideas to promote recognition and interest in Spain.
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Response to Richard I have been sort of busy today too but I read over a few posts. Later I will look at the links.
You probably know as well as I do there are conflicting reports about whether Madeleine is alive. Having noticed the parents are directing people to a particular area, Spain, where they believe Madeleine could be possibly is a good move on their part. Bouncing off of so much, maybe necessary for police, is exhausting for onlookers. I think with some kind of direction people will stay more focused. Exactly the direction I don’t know but a direction with some believed truth.
The killed in accident theories sort of block what I have been trying to consider but I do have some ideas. Of course I know there are people out there with much more experience.
If there is a desire to continue the recognition factor I will post ideas which at least generate a little longer term effort than the bracelets and tee shirts. Sometimes what is important is packaging too. Visual concepts is something I have actually spent A LOT of time researching on my own hour after hour. No expertise otherwise.
There is also a possibility of some telemarketing ideas that might help personalize the effort. Many people also have more statistics involving that technique but I have some ideas that might help, especially if Madeleine is thought to be in a particular area.
If someone will act interested I will discuss my ideas but it is hard to come on and talk to myself. Also, all is a waste of time if the truth is Madeleine is considered dead.
Do you think I should continue? If so, I will come back on when I finish my chores and list share some ideas.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 pm
I’ll check back once this evening and if no reply I will assume that saying nothing is suppose to be understood as saying something. If there is anyone on board who can be non abrasive direct go for it please.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Hi Pat. I Have been busy this evening. Unfortunately this site has been taken over by a group of morons who have just been spitting bile at each other, all very juvenile and not even mildly amusing. I’m not sure whether it is out of rank stupidity or an organised attempt to stifle any sensible debate - which is exactly what they have achieved.
Furthermore Anorak have made no attempt to stop it, so unless they are able to exercise some control the site will continue to be a complete shambles, so genuine people will have to look elsewhere. Heh Ho.
FYI, I did post a couple of conflicting updates about 5 hours ago which you may have seen. Nothing further to add at the moment.
August 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 pm
I have several ideas, 5 cents worth ok but?. especially if a missing person is considered in an isolated location. Having given all of this a lot of thought, while notice of what is good to add to missing people and what might be missing, or easy enough to do to enhance the effort.
If discussing idea such at that are not of interest here does anyone know a place to direct?