Did you not read GM’s blog? He stated quite clearly that it was a family member/friend who got the ball rolling with sky and the rest of the media. He was almost apologetic about it- to the rest of the tapas I imagine. Things didn’t go according to plan IMO

No proof that they did not love and want Madeleine. No proof that they had ever hurt any of their children. No proof of a death, much less a cover up and disposal of a body.

I just do not see any sign of parental involvement here.

Secondly, the opportunity to do any of the things described by their detractors is also problematic. If Madeleine died of an accident, such as fall, it would most likely have happened when her parents were not around, which means while they were at the restaurant, and that compresses the timeframe even more.

If one of the McCanns killed her in a fit of anger by accident, that would result in extreme remorse and anguish on the part of both parents, rendering them unable, IMO, to go back and forth to the table and cheerfully drink and eat and talk with their friends. Even OJ was upset and shaken and sweating profusely after he murdered Ron and Nicole and went to the dance performance. Several witnesses described him as not himself and unusually quiet and anti-social. Does anyone really think the parents, one or both, could witness the death of their child by an accident or over-discipline and simply go about their socializing as if nothing had happened?

How do you persuade a doctor or two doctors to help you cover up a death in a foreign country? Those doctors would have a lot to lose in terms of money, career, family, reputation. Most people who think they are guilty admit that they had to have help to do what was done. Who would be so ready, willing and able to help? I would not help even the best of friends in that situation. Would you?

If planned, what would the motive be? The parents wanted children enough to have IVF. They stuck with Madeleine through the first year when she was extremely colicky and difficult. They went on to have twins, in spite of that experience with a colicky baby. I have a friend who had a colicky baby who cried for months and she vowed never to have another!

The McCanns do not fit the profile of parents who kill, and it is not because they are well-off or attractive. The Ramseys were far richer and just as attractive and I suspected them. But Patsy was under tremendous pressure from her cancer struggles, her desire for perfection, being away from the friends and family in the south, and Patsy spending so much time with JonBenet, etc. I see no pressures on the McCanns. They seem to have had a good life, plenty of love and support from family and friends, help in the form of a nanny, etc. And they were on holiday, which is a relaxing time, not a stressful one.

Even those who suspect them cannot agree, it seems, on what happened or why it happened or how they could possibly pull off a cover up. By far, the most logical conclusion is that an abductor had been watching them for days and was aware of their comings and goings and took advantage of an opportunity to snatch Madeleine.

I also think the police botched the case almost immediately. You can disapprove of what the McCanns did, but my God, they are paying a terrible price. Neither country has prosecuted them for child abuse or neglect.

I just do not think they are guilty of murder, or of covering up an accidental death. I think Madeleine may still be alive.

As someone has suggested, there could have been two people involved, one who went intside and another who handed her out a window.

In mere seconds, she could have been in a car and speeding away.

The people who suspect the McCanns tend to contradict themselves, it seems to me.

For instance, they say that the parents were drinking, as were their friends. They point out that at least a dozen bottles of wine were consumed. They turn around and say that the parents and their friends came up with a complex means of disposing of the body and telling a story about the death. Drunken people, even tipsy people, do not think so clearly.

They say that Madeleine would have woken up and screamed loudly if she had been abducted. At the same time, they say her parents drugged her so that she would sleep. A drugged child would not make any noise and would not wake up.

They say that the parents and the friends had “inconsistancies” in their remarks about what happened that evening. They then turn around and say that the parents and friends concocted a story to tell the police. Well, if they had concocted a story there would be no conflicts in what they said. People remember things differently, especially in social situations. The so-called discrepancies seem about minor things, and that is indicative of honesty, not lying.

The ones who hate the McCanns seem to cheerfully dismiss the possibility of an abduction, but we all know that an abduction takes just seconds. It is entirely possible that she was taken by a pedophile who watched her for a day or more and wanted her. He clearly had a chance to take other children, including one of the twins, but he wanted Madeleine.

I disapprove of people leaving their young, or even not so young, children alone, even for a short while. But we all have gone out to mow the lawn while our children slept indoors or we have taken a shower while they played in the den or we have turned our backs for a moment in a shopping center while the kids stood nearby.

None of us can watch our kids 24 hours a day, with no distractions at all. In any of the above scenarios, our own kids could have been taken or otherwise come to harm.

The act of leaving the children alone may not have caused the abduction to happen, either. Other children were left alone, and they did not get abducted or come to any other harm.

As for the prominence of the couple, I do not think that doctors enjoy the same status and monetary rewards in the UK that they do here, even surgeons. Doubtlessly, they are educated people, professionals, etc., but they are not among the upper crust of British society.

The Ramseys were far richer and had more political clout.

I also think that many of the really venomous posts about Kate especially are without merit. She is an attractive woman, IMO, and some might resent her for that.

Sooner or later, they will have to get on with their lives, and when they do, they will be criticized for that, just as they are being criticized for everything else they do now.

Madeleine could be anywhere. She is probably dead, but she could be alive. I think that if a pedophile took her, it was a gentle type pedophile, not a sadistic one. For instance, she has not been found, dead and abandoned in a field or on the side of the road, tortured and in an humiliating pose, as with Polly Klaas and Samantha Runion.

She could still be alive. Is there any proof that she is dead or was ever injured? Rumors of blood and hair and bodily fluids in the car did not pan out.

The sad part is she could be alive somewhere and many people are focusing on punishing the parents instead of finding her.

I lost 50p in a slot machine once, never did get it back -would he help me by donating £100,000 do you think.

As a mum when i cut my small childrens hair i used to keep a lock for a keepsake and put it in a box along with their teeth etc……..

Was this kates big mistake?

After sedating,killing did she keep some to put in her box when she got back to have something to focus on to hold instead of a grave etc? Kept it in the car, remember there was 3 months when they were above suspicion.

The funeral parlour gave my siblings and i a lock of my mums to keep.

I put mine in a doll so i could cuddle it when i felt low

“Cuddle cat here kitty cuddle cat!!”

Or are you a brand spanky new one from ebay parcel forced over once Gerry realised!!

just a thought!

There is still a niggle in the back of mind about it….. I speculate on that side of things because it won’t go out of my head. Its been there all the way through in the background for me.

Anorak poster who works for a Belgian organization to find missing children and expose paedos says there is a connection. Interpol site doesn’t even list Ylenia as found murdered and it’s been 2 days now.

Here is the updated page

It’s not about Ylena’s case per se. It’s only that I don’t think there’s ever been any evidence of a link between this case and Madeleine’s disappearance. And this forum is about Madeleine Mccann. Otherwise we could talk about the many children that go missing everyday all over the world.

So, to suggest that this nutter also took Madeleine and killed her as he did with Ylena is not really adding anything to this forum… as far as i remember that’s been looked at and no links were found.

You’re of course free to comment on whatever you want

There is an update, but not here lol