Anorak is early today. He never has his new threads up before 9AM.

Boo Hoo - I wanted to be the first today…. ;-(

Tony Bennett - do you ever sleep? If I didn’t know better, I’d have thought you’re a wind up doll or a robot at least….lol!

Really, I do believe you must eat breathe and sleep the Madeleine McCann case. At least when you do sleep, you are still dreaming and processing this information and storyline. Come now, fess up here!

morning all,as with all computers they only process the information that is fed to them using programs that have been installed and written by humans also.there are so many discrepencies in the statements of the tapas9 (allegedly),that the computer could throw up any number of scenarios,again any results are interpretated by humans,as they see them.i have seen reports that flatly contradict what is being fed into the computers,the people who will find the answer are the police the have the power and are in a position to know all of the available evidence,leave it to them.

considering there was a pub quiz on

its like musical bleeding chairs

Nice one. But the police should have done this. It is a classic way of trapping the guilty. You ask questions but do not contradict at any stage, You let the subject build up a huge and elaborate story, and you both concentrate on the end of the story, not the beginning or the middle.
Then you let them dictate it, in the form of a signed statement with the warning about perjury.
And then, and only then, do you casually observe that one of the key pillars of their story is in fact wrong, inaccurate, or even a lie.
And for a few moments you watch as they wriggle and squirm and try to think of a way to keep the story together.
And they fail, and you start again, this time with a Voluntary Statement, amounting to a full and frank confession.
It is what makes being a cop so rewarding.

peter mac i think the fact that the PJstopped looking for a living Madeleine months ago,perhaps infers that they know or have reasonable grounds for suspicion,as to the validity of certain statements from certain parties and as to the fate of Madeleine.

I’ve been lurking on this site for weeks, fascinated by the British reaction to this case, and here are some observations I feel compelled to share:

-First and foremost, when you make fun of people’s names (i.e. Gerrykins, Comical Clarie, McConns, Phatomina, etc, etc, ad nauseum) it makes you sound about five years old. Most people realize somewhere between the ages of five and ten that people cannot help the names they are given, and that therefore it’s a really cheap shot to make fun of their names. It doesn’t make you look clever, it makes it look like you can’t figure out what’s a valid reason to mock someone. Please stop it immediately and pass this on to your fellow countrymen, or risk being called “quaint hobbit people” by the rest of the world from now on.

-Ditto for making up “parody songs” based on real songs but inserting your “funny names” for people and forcing atrocious near-rhymes into unholy juxtaposition with each other. There is a reason songs are written by professional songwriters, please do not attempt this, at least not in public where others can be exposed to it.

-Posting lyrics for entire songs is also right out. Everyone else has Google too, it will save us all a lot of time and bandwidth if you just post the name of the song you’re thinking of, although to be honest, it’s really pretty pointless. Yes, there are lots of songs about lying people. No, that’s not really that clever of an observation.

Moving on to science, which for some reason we in the US had been led to believe Brits were good at:

-”Sniffer dogs” are considered in the United States to be police officers equivalent to human ones. This is because they are incredibly reliable and don’t know how to lie. It is naive to think that just because your pet gets excited at lots of smells, a trained canine officer is similarly easy to distract. If the sniffer dogs say they smelled cadaverine or blood, their indicating they have found these scents is evidence by itself, as any officer’s observation would be.

-There are some bodily fluids that don’t get outside the body unless serious bodily harm has occurred, such as cerebrospinal fluid. If you find cerebrospinal fluid, and the person it came from is not in a hospital, you can be pretty sure they are dead.

-Please take this to heart and apply it to all future situations: WHENEVER you come across someone who has built a miraculous machine of their own devise, which is based on “secret” scientific principles that they are not willing to explain to you, go ahead and assume they are lying to you. You do not need to waste any further effort trying to collect anecdotal reports of their success or failure in the past, or imagining what incredible breakthrough the “secret” scientific principles will be revealed to be. It’s a trick. Get an axe.

-DNA testing can be done two ways, a quick way, where they test only a portion of the points of information in the DNA, and a long way, where they examine all the points of information in the DNA that they can. Apparently, the original DNA tests were quick tests on samples so degraded that they could only get 80 percent accuracy, and your forensic science service is now conducting the longer type of test, which will be much more accurate even with the degradation. This is taking a long time because they are doing a lot more work. Please be patient, nobody is trying to stall anybody, this is just how science works.

And finally, on whether or not it is “right” to even be having this conversation:

-No, you are not doing anything “useful” or “good” by speculating back and forth endlessly on this case.

-Neither are you doing anything “bad” or “libelous”.

-Your are simply exercising free speech, which is its own purpose. It does not need to benefit anyone or accomplish anything, it is merely a human urge that you have the right to satisfy. If your country’s laws do not agree, then simply point your legislators to the United States Declaration of Independence, in which we clearly state that you are endowed by your Creator with the right to speculate freely and wildly on any topic of your choosing, even if it hurts someone’s feelings and is of no benefit to anyone, and so therefore anyone who tries to repress you can suck it.

As for the case itself, the thing that makes it so fascinating is that all explanations are equally implausible. Given the facts as they are presented to us, the McCanns simply did not have the time or the materials to hide and then preserve the body (no, “clingfilm” would NOT work, please just trust me on this and do not try it at home with small dead animals, that’s digusting), yet also the chances of a stranger abduction in a luxury resort are astronomically low. It is a mystery! Clearly, some crucial facts are missing.

However, luckily we live in an age where DNA testing will allow us to rule some things out. If Madeleine’s DNA is in that hire car, there is absolutely no question the parents are guilty of disposing of her body, and thus probably of killing her, accidentally or not. If the DNA is not present, then we’ll probably never know for sure just what happened, and the likeliest explanation may be that she wandered down to the sea and drowned or fell in a construction hole and was covered by falling debris.

Until the forensic results are finally in, or someone confesses, feel free to carry on your god-given right to say any damn thing you want! Just please, for the love of all that is right and good in the world, no more “silly names”.

Have a nice day.

Yankee Interloper

‘First and foremost, when you make fun of people’s names (i.e. Gerrykins, Comical Clarie, McConns, Phatomina, etc, etc, ad nauseum) it makes you sound about five years old. Most people realize somewhere between the ages of five and ten that people cannot help the names they are given, and that therefore it’s a really cheap shot to make fun of their names. It doesn’t make you look clever, it makes it look like you can’t figure out what’s a valid reason to mock someone. Please stop it immediately and pass this on to your fellow countrymen, or risk being called “quaint hobbit people” by the rest of the world from now on.’

Your right, I can’t help the fact that my parents called me Willoughby and I grrew up on a council estate in Grimsby!

I think it ironic that Americans dare offer anyone advice on how the rest of the world perceive them.

Just one thing… what kind of a name is Yankee Interloper? LOL
Couldn’t resist…

…is all

yankee thats us told then,i’ll just get my coat…..er no on second thoughts why dont you get your coat and while your at it give america back to the Indians.

15 Soothsayer
16 Mattie
Quite so !
And as an aside, IF there has been a cover up of some sort, how does the main guilty party ENSURE the continued silence for all time of all the rest. It could cost millions !

Yankee Interloper quote–”Sniffer dogs” are considered in the United States to be police officers equivalent to human ones. This is because they are incredibly reliable and don’t know how to lie. It is naive to think that just because your pet gets excited at lots of smells, a trained canine officer is similarly easy to distract. If the sniffer dogs say they smelled cadaverine or blood, their indicating they have found these scents is evidence by itself, as any officer’s observation would be.

The Mcs have reportedly had their legal team contact an American lawyer who reportedly had sniffer dog evidence in a case in America discredited by a judge .The sniffer dog evidence was a contributing factor to the man getting a custodial sentence.

We don’t have free speech in the UK, we have somnething even better, JS Mill’s harm principle, as in say what you like as long as it does not harm someone, plus hyour liberty ends where someone else’s begins.

This means that with Nazi hate sites we just close them down, rather than protect them like in the US.

Please go on the Sun Website and expound your trite observations, because on their forum they think that they have freedom of speech from watching too much US TV all the time, so you will get a more ready and credulous audience, which is obviously what you need, like the McConns.

UK papers are this morning stating that certain police officers are under inquiry for alledgedly beating confessions out of people.

If this is the case how can these people be trusted? We had this in the UK in the 70’s and early 80’s where innocent people were ’stitched’ up. They served time (Birmingham 6 etc) before being released.

Should these people have ever been allowed to interview the McCanns?

Can you ever believe anyone (the unanswered 40 questions rumour etc) that beats confessions out of people?

It’s funny how you’ll all moan about Guantanemo Bay being a brutal place but the McCanns must be guilty if they don’t answer the questions that were put to them by aggressive interrogators!

morning will,all i know is that the PJ are and always have been on the right track,despite what you have been hearing the samples are from the renault, the apartment and area around the stairs,again rumour and i cannot stress that enough, says that there are no doubts as to these results and the indications of a corpse having been responsible for large parts of the results.any one ever stop and think what kind of life the twins will have,as they grow up due to this case,worst scenario is that the case is not solved,twins will be forever tainted by association,we all know how cruel kids can be to one and other,once kids start repeating what their parents or family say human nature being what it is,noy a very nice prospect.the twins as Madeleine is,are helpless innocents in all of this.