WE’re back

2 ANORAK!!!!
WTF where the hell WERE you??!!! Though Clarence had pulled some more strings!

SUNDAY’S THREAD - 422 and 599 Taybie the Saxon.

Missed your post 422. I’ve written extensively on the Father Pacheco/Roman Catholic Church/secrecy of the confessional etc. issues over the past few weeks. To summarise:

1. The McCanns visting the priest within hours of Madeleine ‘disappearing’ is very strange, to put it mildly

2. For them to be given a key - apparently that night - was stranger still. It appears that Father Pabcheco’s Bishop was consulted about this

3. To get the Pope to bless a photo of Madeleine in front of the world’s press was an amazing scoop

4. The Vatican was tipped off in August that the McCanns were about to be hauled in for questioning, and treated as official suspects, and immediately wiped all references to Madeleine from their website

5. If the McCanns confessed anything to the priest, whether assault, child rape or murder, or whatever, the priest would be honour bound - nay, bound by the most solemn of oaths - to keep it a secret forever, under pain of being defrocked or even excommunicated. IMO this is indefensible; no wonder so many R.C. priests have got away with horrendous child abuse and the U.S. Catholic Church alone has paid out $2,000,000,000 in compensation to victims already

6. Father Pacheco, having gone to ground for several days in September, and apparently with a very troubled conscience, suggests to me that he knows more about the disappearance of Madeleine than he admits to knowing

7. The McCanns, though NOT ‘devout Catholics’ as was claimed, both appear to come from strongly Roman Catholic families. I suspect that Kate in particular was troubled about Madeleine needing the ‘last rites’ (or whatever mumbo jumbo is involved) on 3rd May, knowing that she was dead - and that is why she consulted the priest. Or it was part of a plan to hide the body.

Father Pacheco maybe both gave away the key and ‘holds the key’ to this case, if you see what I mean

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Would thoroughly recommend all those interested in the Madeleine McCann ‘disappearance’ to get as much information as you can about tonight’s pretty revealing interview on Spanish TV with Kate McCann’s parents, Mr and Mrs Healy, and the Roman Catholic priest in Praia da Luz. There was a studio discussion as well with three experts/journalists. Some important deductions can be made from the material in the programme

Tony Bennett;
Hello comrade. Yes indeed, apparently, Kate was supposed to be trying to coerce her OWN Priest, Marriage Vow blesser and Madeleine Christener, to FLY out to Portugal!!!??

¡I also thought that you have been censored by the C.M. Inquisition Team!!!!
What al luck you are here again… Long live Anorak

Spuddie

Sorry I called you “Puddie”!!!!! Not being rude, just typing too quickly! Nice to see you all back!

Can someone post text for this story? My browser simply flits past UK Express.
Not sure why, but it does so consistently.

MADELEINE: ‘MCCANNS OR A FRIEND MUST BE TO BLAME’
UK Express, UK - 1 hour ago
By David Pilditch in the Algarve and Jane Wharton MADELEINE McCann’s disappearance could only be the fault of her parents or a family friend, it was claimed …

Anyway (remember that I live in Madrid, so Spanish TV is my routine), all the attentandts af the live forum in TV agreed also that the C. Mitchell’s long long hand was behind the grands interview. We all think that he has told them what to say, when and how. Nobody here trust anything coming fro the Mccann team.

Oh, are we are back up!!!???

Kind of slow tonight.
Here’s a lot of detail captured:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_McCann

Nice to be back gang-

Oh sorry, that is the 2nd article you asked for, here is the first (Moniker).

‘MADELEINE: ‘MCCANNS OR A FRIEND MUST BE TO BLAME’

By David Pilditch in the Algarve and Jane Wharton

MADELEINE McCann’s disappearance could only be the fault of her parents or a family friend, it was claimed yesterday.

A crucial eyewitness accuses the McCanns of being irresponsible parents.

The waiter who served them on that fateful night says he cannot understand why they did not use the resort’s £10-a-night babysitting service. He even goes on to claim that he told police: “I did not think she had been taken by an abductor.

“I told them it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close.”

Jose Batista, 45, broke almost six months of silence to give the most detailed account yet of the McCanns’ holiday and the build-up to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Mr Batista, who served the McCanns and their friends at the tapas restaurant where they were dining on the night Madeleine disappeared, says they could not have seen their apartment from their table, as they have claimed.

He also says he was surprised that they apparently made a special arrangement with staff so that they could leave their children alone on four consecutive nights to eat at the tapas bar near their apartments in the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz with their friends, dubbed the Tapas Nine.

“The group did check on their children regularly,” he told the Daily Express. “I know that because I often took food to the table and found one of them was not there.

“I would take it back to the kitchen to heat it up. But it was always the men who went to check, never the women.

“The only time I can remember Kate McCann leaving the table was the night that the little girl disappeared.

“It didn’t really mean anything at the time, but after all that happened I did begin to think that it was slightly strange. Why had Kate suddenly gone to check on the children that time, when she never had before?”

Mr Batista said that it was his testimony in four hours of interviews with Portuguese detectives that led to officers questioning why it was part-time GP Kate, 39, who discovered her daughter had vanished and raised the alarm.

The waiter said the McCanns and their friends had approached the resort manager to ask if they could eat at the tapas bar rather than the main restaurant as they had on the first two nights of their holiday.

The parents had complained that their children were staying out past their bedtimes when they ate at the main restaurant and were becoming tired and fractious.

He said Mark Warner managers apparently agreed and a table was set for the group at the tapas bar.

It was nearer to their apartments than the main restaurant and the group felt comfortable leaving their children unattended.

For four consecutive evenings the McCanns and their seven friends left their children alone for periods of a few minutes as they drank beer and cocktails and up to 10 bottles of wine between them.

But their decision ended in tragedy when Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ apartment on May 3.

Mr Batista’s revelations come as Portuguese police announced that Kate and Gerry’s friends are to face new questioning.

Investigators are preparing to fly to Britain with a formal request for them to be interviewed again.

Mr Batista said it was impossible to see the McCanns’ ground-floor apartment from the restaurant despite it being less than 100 yards away.

He said: “They left their children alone. If I was in their position I certainly wouldn’t have done that.

“If they’ve got money why didn’t they get the cash together to get one nanny to look after all the children in one apartment? It is not right to say you can see their apartment from the restaurant. All you can see is the first floor upwards.”

He added: “A few days after Madeleine disappeared I gave a very detailed statement to police like all the other staff.

“I told them I did not think she had been taken by an abductor. It would not have been possible to be watching their apartment.

“During the evening the streets are quite deserted in that area. I told them it had to be one of the family or a friend. It had to be someone close.”

Last night the McCanns’ official spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: “We cannot discuss the events of the night of May 3. But we sincerely hope anyone who has any information will have told police.”

Responding to Mr Batista’s evidence, a close friend of the couple said: “The bottom line is that, at the time, Kate and Gerry and the others felt that they had taken adequate care to leave the children.

“Obviously, they have been proved tragically mistaken.” Of the claim that the McCanns could not see their apartment from the restaurant, the friend said: “That is a moot point.

“The holiday block could be seen, and the upper floor of the apartment where Maddie slept was in their line of vision.” On how much wine was drunk, the friend said: “I challenge anyone to remember exactly how much is drunk on an evening out with a big group of friends.

“But the point is that it was a moderate amount and nothing like the exaggeration of some reports.”

The friend said that Mr Batista’s evidence could back the McCanns’ belief that their daughter was abducted.

He said: “Kate always felt, in awful hindsight, that the group’s movements were being watched. They believe an abductor took Madeleine.”

Mr Batista said he was working in the poolside restaurant every night of the McCanns’ holiday. He said: “They were very classy people. Compared with some of the people we get, they were very polite and quiet.

They dressed well and didn’t make a mess or put their feet on chairs, anything like that.

“If they hadn’t been such a big group I probably wouldn’t have noticed them at all.”

Describing their evening routine he said: “It was always the whole group that went to dinner.

“They always ate here, always at the same time and it was always the whole group – four couples and an older woman.

“The package they were on included their dinner in the evening, and free wine to go with the meal until dessert is served.

“You often get people who keep screaming for more wine or are stupid about the rules, trying to drink as much as possible because it’s free. But the McCanns and their friends were very sensible about it.

“Sometimes they would start off with the men having a beer while the women would drink cocktails. It’s been reported that they had 14 bottles of wine a night but I was serving them and I know it was usually between eight and 10.

“Afterwards they would mostly just have a coffee or sit around chatting rather than order more alcohol.”

He added: “The group always came around 8pm, arrived within five minutes of each other and ordered their dinner, and they always left together as a group between 10.30pm and 11pm.”

Mr Batista described in detail for the first time the events that unfolded the night Madeleine disappeared. He said he was one of four waiting staff on duty during a busy period.

Mr Batista said: “I had seen them with the kids by the pool during the day. It was a normal night. They came at more or less the same time they always arrived.

“The adults were obviously enjoying some quiet time, and I realised they were taking it in turns to check on the children.

“I remember the men going off to check the children about every 20 minutes.”

But around 10pm chaos erupted after Kate returned to the table to alert the group that Madeleine had vanished. Mr Batista said: “It all became madness. We were beginning to wind down at the restaurant and I had been clearing some tables.

“I went into the kitchen for a few minutes and when I came out I saw that the McCanns’ table was empty except for the older woman. She looked scared.

“Then I heard all the shouting and screaming coming from the apartments and my colleague told me a child had gone missing.

“After that it was chaos. People were running around the resort shouting for Madeleine and we all started to help looking for her.

“My partner and I were both trying to help out. We took our cars out and searched for her. There was nothing organised.”

3 SPUDGUN — You are back! What do think is going on? Will Kate McCann be arrested? WIll this ever end? Will the truth ever out? I’ve wached your Madeleine McCann video ten times. Please respond. Do you think the McCanns will at least be arrestetd?

in Correio da Manha Oct. 22

http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia…dCanal=181&p=0

Maddie case: Missing for 172 days
Image worries McCanns

The McCanns have consulted a communication agency in Lisbon and admitted to paying an amount of 50 thousand euros per month so their image was managed in the Portuguese media. CM knows that one of the first companies that were contacted was the firm of Antonio Cunha Vaz, who presently is the image manager of the leader of PSD [political party], Luis Filipe Meneses, but even after discussing the price, and after the couple admitted to paying the amount that was discussed, the company ended up refusing.

The contact was made a few days ago, at a phase when Maddie’s parents have no representative for the media in Portugal. It also coincided with the meeting between English prime minister, Gordon Brown, and Jose Socrates [PT prime minister], during which the former solicited the Portuguese government’s commitment to contain the publicity of facts of the inquiry, namely the analyses’ results. During that approach to the Cunha Vaz Associados firm, the couple’s representatives considered the value to be high - higher than what they are paying their lawyers - but they didn’t close the door. The refusal from this firm led them to consider other possibilities, by making a wider approach to the market of communication companies. Antonio Sousa Duarte, a partner at Communicare, who works with Rogerio Alves, one of the couple’s lawyers and president of the Portuguese bar, told CM that his company “was not consulted” and that the fact that he works with this lawyer is in itself “a factor that prevents any contractual relationship with the case”.

Rogerio Alves told CM yesterday that “no communication firm was hired, nor will any be hired”. The process retreated by the couple’s lawyers, who had established contacts with some other major companies within the communication and image market.