Yes, the Portuguese waiter said only the men would get up from table to check on the children.

It’s disgusting, isn’t it, to consider what might have been going on.

and that would be a very strong reason to hide the body.

The women had to know, though.

1) Roberto Arte (the interviwer) is neither a TV star nor a senior and experienced journalist, but a simple -but good and responsible- background news presenter. He couldn’ t move an inch from the list of questions (Mitchell had previously forbidden any change)

2) Spaniards don’t “mirror” the Portuguese, as D. Express says; ou have our own opinion. If 70% decided they were not telling the truth, it’s because 70% thought that Mccanns were not telling the truth, not because we are mirroring the Portuguese reactions.

3) José Cabrera, very wellknown psiquitrist in Spain (and attending the debate after the interview) speaks today in the Portuguese Correio da Manha. He says that Kate had “pocker gambler tears” and that, after an extremely detailed technoligical chek, she didn’t move a sole face muscle. Cabrera this she has serios psquiatric problems.

4) ANTENA-3 DON’T (NEVER) BROADCAST IN PORTUGAL OR MOROCCO (neither northern or southern). Never. Just in Spain.

Based on what evidence? Or is this just a feeling like kate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AznBFh5hnLE

“Hideki, well, I’m NOT getting into that argument again. It goes on for hours. I could cut and paste all my old comments on the nature of neglect and abuse. But it’s not worth it.”

I do not recall having such an argument, and nor do I think that such an argument could take place now.

By saying that you are “not fully convinced” the McCanns killed their daughter, you are not even expressing any disagreement with my position, and yet you falsely stated that I am apparently convinced they killed the girl. Recalling your past pro-McCann posting, this seems like a typical Team McCann ruse — NOT an “argument”.

You wrote that you were not convinced of their guilt, but that apparently I was. However, by “guilt” you wrote that you are referring to the killing of their child. I have never stated that I am sure they killed the child. Therefore, you misrepresented my position.

Indeed, I think many people hold the same position as I do — that the McCanns are guilty of criminal neglect , and of covering up the death. Actually, I’ve never seen any credible poster “fully convinced” that they killed her — those thoughts are always presented as speculations.

WTF is “Pro-McCann?”

It was odd how the BBC website pulled the Antena3 interview and replaced it with their study into questions over the Omagh DNA. Very interesting.

The Catholic Church have opted out after a keen start, so they seem in the clear in this case anyway.

They are still backed by the English PM though. A labour minister perhaps. Maybe a businessman who donates heavily to the Labour Party cause has something to hide.

Why did Richard ‘Virgin’ Branson get involved? He is not silly and it seems strange he is onside with them too.
Brian Kennedy, the millionaire? What is his angle. Money laundering was mentioned but why would he bother doing that? His company produces double glazing I think, will we be able to see through him in the end? It was said that he is a JW too along with a few other characters in the play? Is that really so?
Which are the JW’s? Or shall we call them ‘The Jehovah ‘Bystanders’?

Have the JPs been warned off by superior powers? Maybe that is why the change of PJ officers took place?
So the first dude is the fall guy. I find it hard to believe that the new PJ guy would make public the things he did when he took over. Such as clues on bits of paper scattered around the office! It something you don’t do to a coworker in a work enviroment especially within a Police force who usually stick together like glue.
Maybe he was removed because he was getting too close to placing charges and unmasking a Mr.Big.
The British Goverment dude got there really fast from memory. This could point to the incident happening earlier than thought and more time to get the alibis and cleaning up done. Body removed etc. Murat was maybe used due to his loyalty to England and a few quid, nay a lots of quids. If it was a goverment backed conspiracy a bit of fast talking could convince Murat or someone else maybe that by helping with the cover up that they are helping save the world or something.

And the English press. Why so quiet. Under orders from above? Cuddle Cat got their tongue?
It is like they, at least the ones that do mention the incident, are waging a campaign against the Portuguese police, the people and the country as a whole. Which they do not deserve. But a great smokescreen.

The Portuguese paper 24houres although has called their bluff and reports what it can. Like a real tabloid. It looks a bit trashy by the cover but the Editor seems to have balls unlike the British eunochs the English papers employ.

When will hear from the Queen? She is about the only person of note in Britain that has not said anything yet?

But what could be so catastrophic that a 3 year old girl dies in vain. The mind does not want to go there really does it.

Gerry is too confident in my book. He thinks he knows that he is in the clear.
Maybe the big fish thought Gerry was a minnow but has since morphed into rogue shark and is coming back to bite them. If he has been made a promise of protection he would feel confident,but I bet if there is bigger fish gasping for air he will be sacraficed.

What about this horrid thought. IVF babies born to order. No genetic ties to the parents and used as playthings of the rich. The carriers get a big pay off and all expenses paid and they supply the virgin!
And maybe they all get free holidays with free flights thrown in from the airline of their choice!
Are any of the other Tapas7 babies IVF? or were they born naturally?Just another angle to look at.
The seventy fifth way. Give or take a few.

Nope, I am female but sadly no Nicole Kidman, I have a son about her age!! I work full time from my PC and click on and off Anorak at random… I have done for a couple of years because I enjoy the satire that seems to have gone down the drain since this story took over. Humour has also gone downhill.

There used to be a lot of good fiery debate but now its just insults all the way if you don’t go with the crowd.

this is what the “third way” poster has been suggesting for a few days. it is foul. i would like to come with an alternative to the third way’s hypothesis.

MORE MISREPRESENTATION FROM THE “FENCE-SITTER” WHO FEELS NOTHING NEFARIOUS HAS HAPPENED.
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thea Says:
“Hideki, do you believe Murat is involved?”
The many speculations of suspicion offered by various posters seem very plausible to me. Murat seems to have been “involved” or acquainted with the McCanns’ clique, even prior to the child’s disappearance. One cannot blame people for thinking so, when the McCanns answered “no comment” to the simple question of whether or not they know the guy — coupled with all the circumstantial evidence that he was at least indirectly known to them through Tapas9 members.

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thea Says:
“Hideki,Was it you who earlier today had brought up the possible financial malfeasance involving the 2 Brian Kennedys?”

Yes.

“I think that’s an interesting twist in this tragedy but would need evidence of your theory as far as the Kennedy thing is concerned. But it is an interesting idea and if I were investigating this alleged abduction I would be monitoring all the money.”

I agree that monitoring of the money flow would be highly advisable, but I wonder if there are “money laundering” tricks that will conceal the flow of funds. How much financial information is available on demand, since the “search” fund was set up as a private company? This aspect would possibly not be enforceable by the Portuguese, but only the British? — or is it an EU fraud issue since donations were solicited worldwide, particularly in Europe. This would involve financial and business law. The company was (and is) actively soliciting donations, either direct payments, or purchase of their over-priced trinkets — all for the express purpose of helping to find an abducted girl. The McCanns were set up as benefactors of this money, and so if they knew the girl was dead, this is blatantly fraud on a grand scale.

“Do you know anything about stories that the Madeleine fund somehow circumvents the PayPal service fee or something to that effect? I’ve read that there was something fishy going on with how the McCanns set up the fund and their using PayPal?”

No, but I would like to learn more about it. I only reflected that using PayPal allows them to seduce “impulsive buyers” on the Internet. The easier payment is to make, the more impulsively ignorant , sympathetic people will contribute. And every time they “spread the word” about Madeleine, they ALSO spread the word about how to make contributions. (For example, distributing 50,000 leaflets at a stadium — they not only showed 50,000 people a picture of a supposed abducted girl, they asked them for contributions).

Reading the McCann company FAQ, I noted that they tried to allay suspicion that money will be misused by saying that “conflict of interest” safeguards were in place. But the only safeguard I saw was that the two directors eligible to draw money from the fund (as family members) did not have a vote in such a disbursement But if the other directors understand that they will not be paid unless they heed the will of the McCanns, this is not a safeguard at all (it is mentioned that directors can be paid for their services). By the way, read CAREFULLY and you will see a little note that says “currently no directors are being paid”. Clever McCannism. It does not say that they were NEVER paid, or that they WILL not be paid.

So they may have understood the conditions under which they were permitted to become directors. Notice that since the McCanns are benefactors of the fund, this gives them power over people, since after the money has become theirs, they are free to use it as they see fit. If they want to reward the directors “for their services” they can do so. If they want to re-pay Richard Branson and Brian Kennedy, there is nothing to stop them from doing so. In the latter case, this is a virtual transfer of money from the SEARCH fund to the LEGAL fund, something they said they would not do. Not only would they secretly effect a transfer, but they get the added PR of having wealthy people publicly express support of the McCanns, encouraging others to contribute.

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Kris Says:

“Hideki, well, I’m NOT getting into that argument again. It goes on for hours. I could cut and paste all my old comments on the nature of neglect and abuse. But it’s not worth it.”

I do not recall having such an argument, and nor do I think that such an argument could take place now.

By saying that you are “not fully convinced” the McCanns killed their daughter, you are not even expressing any disagreement with my position, and yet you falsely stated that I am apparently convinced they killed the girl. Recalling your past pro-McCann posting, this seems like a typical Team McCann ruse — NOT an “argument”.

You wrote that you were not convinced of their guilt, but that apparently I was. However, by “guilt” you wrote that you are referring to the killing of their child. I have never stated that I am sure they killed the child. Therefore, you misrepresented my position.

Indeed, I think many people hold the same position as I do — that the McCanns are guilty of criminal neglect , and of covering up the death. Actually, I’ve never seen any credible poster “fully convinced” that they killed her — those thoughts are always presented as speculations.

From memory, they iniatially said the door was locked and the shutters had been forced. Warner staff/police determined that the shutters were not forced and could not be opened from the outside. They then said (early on in the events) that the door was unlocked, because otherwise an abductor could not have got Madeleine. I do not believe that the situation on the doors of the other members of the group is in the public domain.

Exactly. This is one of the many things that made the police suspicious.