November 5th, 2007 at 9:21 am

“Let me ask this: will the McCanns make public all of Madeleine’s medical records? Who are the physicians who examined her during her short life? (was it only the McCanns?). Madeleine’s medical history has been one of the things the McCanns have kept a tight secret, despite rumors of developmental deficiency, autism, etc. WHY?”

Because it’s none of your business - that’s why

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November 5th, 2007 at 9:21 am
376 Jolie Says:
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“I don’t think Hideki’s posts were too graphic, imo, btw. If she went into detailed descriptions of graphic sexual acts–that would be wrong, but just mentioning the potential evidence of such acts is not out of line.”

Not only is is not out of line, it is absolutely necessary. That is precisely why I have been somewhat explicitly presenting the possibilities that the Tapas9 were involved in a pedophilia network.

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Let me ask this: will the McCanns make public all of Madeleine’s medical records? Who are the physicians who examined her during her short life? (was it only the McCanns?). Madeleine’s medical history has been one of the things the McCanns have kept a tight secret, despite rumors of developmental deficiency, autism, etc. WHY?

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It was me who originally suggested that your posts containing speculation about the acts that may have befallen Madeleine whilst still in the care of her parents were unnecessarily detailed. I still think that, but that’s just my opinion. There isn’t a shred of evidence that has come to light to suggest that the McCann’s or any of their friends were involved in paedophilia. That is not to say we can’t question whether abuse may have played any part in this case, but please, spare me the details. I’m intelligent, I can figure out what evidence the police would hope to gather from a body.

Your point about Madeleine’s medical records are illogical. You, myself and others, can theorise all we like about what may have happened to Madeleine. We are not however the investigating authority. We are interested bystanders at best. The McCann’s do not have to answer any of the speculation we post here, nor do they have to provide the evidence that we would like access to test our latest pet theory. Madeleine’s medical records are not, and should never be, in the public domain. You would hope however that the police have asked for access to them, are cross checking who was updating her records and are re-examining those records to see if they might point to any prior history of abuse.

Edit…… I’m getting confused I wish someone would put this all into focus with a likely scenario(someone who has studied this case more than I) - bullet point the issues and controversies then we could focus on the possibilities - unfortunately I’m not that person but Peter may be…?
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Sorry, there are plenty of others here with theories and speculations about what may have happened, don’t think you need me to start inventing more speculation. Others here are also far more earnest than myself and better informed. I’m happy to comment on individual post/media article that are possibly not clear and/or are open to some other interpretation. It is so easy to start speculating and then turn this speculation into some sort of pseudo-fact simply because Clarence hasn’t appeared on national TV and explained why “Anorak Theory No. £1,095,223.50 [Ludicrous Co-incident] ” can’t possibly be correct!

Just for the record, whilst there are elements of this case which are in the public domain, and clearly from my posts I’m not currently inclined to believe in the abduction theory, I think it is pure speculation to attempt to construct a ‘case’ based on information that is currently in the public domain. That doesn’t however preclude debate/comment on the elements of the case that are known about or heavily leaked via the media.

I do hope that the PJ have somewhat more substantial and incontrovertible evidence than currently appears to be the case. I’m probably misquoting, but I think the kindest thing I’ve heard about the state of the investigation in recent weeks was something along the lines of, “The PJ know roughly what happened, who was probably involved and when it is likely to have happened but they don’t have sufficient evidence to prove it.” I’m not implying that statement is factual other than the circumstances it implies. i.e. The PJ don’t believe the abduction theory, probably due to lack of evidence, but can prove their preferred theory, probably also due to lack of evidence. Think that’s called “checkmate” in some circles.

Yes, although it appears that the McCanns lack such human decency, that is no reason to point out their immorality without a reason. The fundamental reason is to search out the truth regarding Madeleine, and to ensure that justice prevails.

“I don’t think Hideki’s posts were too graphic, imo, btw. If she went into detailed descriptions of graphic sexual acts–that would be wrong, but just mentioning the potential evidence of such acts is not out of line.”

Not only is is not out of line, it is absolutely necessary. That is precisely why I have been somewhat explicitly presenting the possibilities that the Tapas9 were involved in a pedophilia network.

Many have wondered about the motives for disposing of a body, which must be done at considerable risk. Was the fear of having sedatives found enough to warrant this drastic action? Several posters have thought not. However, if an autopsy/medical examination would have uncovered evidence of recent and long-term sexual abuse, that might provide a much stronger motive to take such a risk. Not only might there be evidence of sexual abuse, there might be semen or other DNA evidence that pointed to particular individual(s).

Let me ask this: will the McCanns make public all of Madeleine’s medical records? Who are the physicians who examined her during her short life? (was it only the McCanns?). Madeleine’s medical history has been one of the things the McCanns have kept a tight secret, despite rumors of developmental deficiency, autism, etc. WHY?

Of course I cannot know it. It was a supposition from which you selectively quoted in order to misrepresent my point. My speculation was:

“They did not have much time to fashion a big lie. They created the lie by basing it upon truth. It was TRUE that every night a pedophile(s) was in the apartment sexually abusing the children. So for them it was but a short step to create a fiction that during this time a pedophile abducted Madeleine. ”

“All I can say is the police must be really dumb, or in on it of course, if they let the children all go home with their respective abusing parents.”

I do think all of those parents are at the very least guilty of criminal neglect and child endangerment. So it is unfortunate that they are still permitted custody of their children.

BTW, I think Gerry’s comment about how he hopes “they [the pedophiles whom Team McCann alleges abducted her] are treating her like a princess” is yet another thing that only someone sympathetic to pedophiles would say.

Neither of the McCanns have expressed any horror that Madeleine might be with pedophiles. Why. Simple — because the thought does not horrify them. For Gerry, it makes perfect sense to hope that a toddler is with a pedophile who treats her like a princess.

If that does not horrify you, I wonder what would….

Sounds like a dinner party at the Tapas Bar.

I think Pilgrim and Ade were joking? You wouldn’t be Scottish would you? With the amount of moaning about Sectarianism on the West Coast (mostly from men of both religions who have failed to get promoted at work and their hag wives) - I find all the Muslim suicide bomb stuff light relief.

Anytime I read about Kate sobbing, breaking down, weeping, crying, etc., I imagine her ’sad’ face, hear a small sniffle, and see her hand gesture to wipe away half a tear.

No, I’ll never believe that Kate cries unless I see it with my own eyes (on video)–too many times reporters and others have grossly exaggerated Kate’s displays of ‘emotion.’

I agree but the authorities believe her father took her out of the country. It is strange though that she does look much more like Baby Grace than Madeleine and I would think that if her father had left the US with her that there would be a records leading us to where they are? Strange considering the very strict ID’s necessary these days to fly even within the country let alone to a foreign one.

Her mother set up this website: http://www.finddeonna.com/