Madeleine McCann: A Shower Curtain, Kate’s Church Whispers And The Blonde Of Karia Ba Mohamed
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MIRROR front page: “MADELEINE DNA IN BAG OF CLOTHES. Roadside find fuels hops she’s still alive”
Plastic bag near Faro airport. The “adult fleece” therein is “smeared with body fluids”. Which may explain why it was thrown away. Perhaps it was used to wipe something in an emergency? The residue is a “moderate” link to the missing child.
Says a friend of the McCanns: “This seems extremely significant. The fact they were found so recently does suggest Madeleine is still alive”
Pages 6 and 7: “IN THE BAG.” Yes, what’s in the bag. For those of you who didn’t read Anorak yesterday: “Shower curtain, white flannel, green elastic band, green child’s T-shirt, Pencil case”.
And “crucially” a pair of “adult jeans”. Although the Mirror does not put that in the list, nor the fleece. Why not?
The stuff is at the Forensic Science Service lab in Birmingham. It is being checked against “a list of known sex offenders”.
“SILENT SOBS AND PRAYERS” – “Outside, the chill autumn night was filled with the sounds of happy families celebrating Guy Fawkes” – Burn the Catholic!
“Inside the brightly lit parish church of St John, Kate McCann [Catholic
November 5th, 2007 at 7:28 am
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November 5th, 2007 at 7:29 am
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November 5th, 2007 at 7:29 am
morning!
November 5th, 2007 at 7:31 am
RE: SOOTHSAYER
(Yesterday’s thread) 287 Dr Watson
821 Alexis
Dr Watson, I have investigated the posts attributed to ’soothsayer’ that you mentioned on yesterday’s thread, which you said were numbered 704, 708 and 711.
The numbers have been changed slightly since then.
My analysis of posts around that time - all attributed to ’soothsayer’ - is as follows:-
Posts 669, 685, 694, 702, 706 and 713 are all the genuine ’soothsayer’.
But 710 is not ’soothsayer’.
‘Soothsayer’ was very adamant that the box containing Baby Grace was found on an uninhabited island.
This contradicts most of the press reports, like this one:
QUOTE
Sketches were released Friday of the child whose body was stuffed into a storage bin and found floating in Galveston Bay.
“We’re sorting through a lot of leads,” said Major Ray Tuttoilmondo with the Galveston County Sheriff’s Office. “Nothing has hit a home run yet.”
Tuttoilmondo added that several callers said they believe the child’s body, which was discovered by a fisherman late Monday, may be that of Madeleine McCann, a 4-year-old British girl whose disappearance from a resort hotel in Portugal in May has made international headlines. In September, Portuguese police formally identified Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann as suspects in the case.
“Based on the totality of the circumstances, we do not believe it’s her (Madeleine).”
UNQUOTE
Another report says the box was ‘washed ashore’.
I’m not sure, though, that it makes that much difference whether it was found at sea or was ‘washed ashore’.
I think Baby Grace was probably murdered in a fit of rage and her clothed body placed in a box and thrown out to sea. I hope the perpetrator is found and jailed
November 5th, 2007 at 7:33 am
Also the McCanns have no case to answer,sorry to dissapoint all you blood thirsty posters,be cleared shortly.
November 5th, 2007 at 7:33 am
Whatever happened to Moderation?
November 5th, 2007 at 7:38 am
Teddy they broke up when the Beatles came on the scene,rock’n'rollis dead.
November 5th, 2007 at 7:39 am
Teddy boy
She made a very sorrowful speech about how horrible we’d all become, and how futile posting was and then she left forever - unless she’s back as someone else.
The other Doctor Watson
Who cares if the McCanns do have no case to answer - they’re part of mythology now, we can continue to speculate for the rest of our lives.
November 5th, 2007 at 7:40 am
My arse dr watson
November 5th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Confirmed - Baby Grace NOT Madeleine
http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=00c7cc54c323ec07
November 5th, 2007 at 7:43 am
See you were slaggin off the residents of the west coast yesterday Karen,what a snob you are lass.
November 5th, 2007 at 7:54 am
4 The Other Dr Watson
Taken from exactly which “source” today?
The Daily Wail or the Daily Excess?
Some other respected purveyor of news to the discerning?
Or just a perceptive guess on your part following a sharp analysis of the case to date with Holmes?
Could well be right but I’d like to know whence that judgement comes!
November 5th, 2007 at 7:55 am
If being blonde haired and blue eyed is a dream …. I’d rather stick to having nightmares thanks.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:03 am
Why would the amount her parents were drinking be relevant? If Kate and Gerry were drunk would it make them more or less likely to be involved in any way? Strange logic which would have to be applied to all people in bars in the area at the time.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:13 am
13 Anna
Exactly. In any case, if anything at all in the papers is to be believed (well…perhaps not!) the waiter who served them insisted a couple of weeks ago in the interviews reported in the Wail and the Excess that they were “very sensible” in their drinking. He actually drew not-very-flattering comparisons between them and other British drinkers.
There has never been any suggestion from other tourists that night, or from the first police officers to arrive on the scene, that these people were drunk.
However, IF it is true that Rebelo wants this looked at, I suppose it’s simply part of his current thorough review of the case from day one.
However, it’s probably just an attempt on the papers’ part to spin things out when there’s no real news.
Baby Grace is not Madeleine, it seems. Poor child.
The Morocco leads will probably go the same way as all the others.
Hope I’m wrong and Madeleine is found safe today.
Then posters can start wondering how and why the McCanns organised for her to be taken there!!! They’ll have to hone their acting skills if she IS found. Some Anorak posters have not found them convincing enough for their liking up to now. When they’ve been stoical they’ve been accused of coldness. When visibly distraught they’ve been accused of ham acting.
Ah well.
Off for long day’s work so no chance to look in at Anorak again today.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:17 am
13 Anna
The amount her parents and the others were drinking would be VERY relevant, because if they didn\’t have that much to drink and so WEREN\’T DRUNK, then they can\’t use intoxication as an excuse for all their conflicting accounts of that evening!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article426965.ece
November 5th, 2007 at 8:23 am
Maria
The criticism of Kate’s emotions has been unusual. We hear that a normal mother should be devastated at loosing her daughter, but she is not allowed to panic without coming under criticism. (Why the word ‘they’). If she was completely rational at the time of pointing out that Madeleine was gone, that would have been unnatural too. Then she is cold because she is managing (not blocking out the overwhelming truth of what has happened out of a need to carry on). When there seems to be no change and Madeleine is not found, then breaking down is just too late.
Why are we, as people, so insistent that everybody be rational all of the time, and why do we have such a narrow definition of normality? Certainly it seems to suit the media when it comes to speculating on a person’s every word or thought, and selling it to the public. The new trend seems to be reality tv, invasion of privacy for public comment on terrible trauma and trauma response.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:27 am
Swannie
Do we know that there is conflicting accounts of the evening from the McCanns or from the press? When the age of a woman said to have seen Madeleine is recorded differently by different journalists, do we argue that she is having an identity crisis or is actually not sane? Or that the journalists are writting inacurately? I think a lot of the conflicting reports may have been misunderstandings.
What if the McCanns are arguing how much they drank and not the table? this may be why accounts of the evening differ between bills and what is told. Maybe there is more than one way of looking at things, that’s all.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:28 am
Hi all, another weekend of spin I see to get us all going
November 5th, 2007 at 8:34 am
How strange that one of the strongest factors that seemed to link Baby Grace with Madeleine (her distinctive teeth) is now given as the reason why BG cannot be M. Unless the US authorities have access to Maddy’s dental records, how can they be so sure? Could this be a smokescreen to fool the McCanns into a false sense of security?
November 5th, 2007 at 8:42 am
I’m pretty sure that no police force would be prepared to ignore data because named suspects do not wish the data to be collected….
November 5th, 2007 at 8:49 am
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Granddad
I think Baby Grace had longer hair than Madeleine at the time she went missing. If Baby Grace was Madeleine, it would mean she could not have died in May. So the McCanns would have nothing to worry about.
Chenier
I agree
November 5th, 2007 at 8:55 am
Dear The Other Doc. Watson,
Please change your name. It is confusing to new posters to Anorak . You were asked to change it yesterday, and you agreed. There is plenty of names out there.
November 5th, 2007 at 8:56 am
Da Royale
I live on the West Coast and I wasn’t slagging it off, I’m just bored by all the self-defeating cliché whines and rants that some people still trot out and inflict on the rest of us. And I don’t see how that makes me a snob.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:00 am
21 Anna, I am not sure you chose your words that wisely.
“So the McCanns would have nothing to worry about”, has that unsettling implication, that I have inferred from all the more recent spin, that it is more important to prove the McCanns’ innocence than to actually find Madeleine alive.
I do, however, understand what you mean.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:00 am
21
Anna
I understand that hair continues to grow after death and that there can be some doubt about the time of death, depending on the conditions under which a body has been stored. Also consider the possibility that Maddie did not die on 3 May but some time later.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:01 am
According to the Mirror Metodo 3 are following up a sighting at Barcelona Airport.
‘There is only one airport in Barcelona city, commonly known by the locals as “L’Aeroport del Prat”.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:04 am
Mods and Admin,
Could you please help,
Who is posting under The Other Doc. Watson name? I asked him repeatedly to choose something less confusing for others. His views are very changing and controvertial, and I do not want to be mixed up with him by other people.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:06 am
25 grandad
Hair definitively does not continue to grow after death, nor finger and toenails.
The myth continues because after death the surrounding tissues begin to dry out and shrink back slightly, making it look as though the hair has grown.
November 5th, 2007 at 9:07 am
According to Reuters:
‘Pakistan police used teargas and batons against lawyers’
They’ve been reading Shakespeare again, haven’t they…