One relatives and family friend party, I was the one sorta looking after the kids again. I was just reading a book in the same room as them, as this was inside the house, they are in no danger from strangers. …but they are kids. It’s a good thing I was there, because one of the kid, the biggest and the most aggressive, was involved in a squabble, he picked up the metal firetruck, and aimed at the head of one of the other kid! ARGH!

I heard much later, that the aggressive kid, was playing with one of my cousins, something stupid like stomping on a fork. I have no idea WHY DEAR GOD WHY, but but somehow the thing bounced up and nicked the kid IN THE EYE.

…and Christ, it sickens me to know that are parents who will be terrified over what happened to Madeleine, but then keep dong the things that risk their own children falling to the same fate anyways, gambling that it will be some other careless parent’s children who will be taken and not their children.

November 13th, 2007 at 10:20 am
The fund should be frozen!!!!
The McShames will be suspects for the next 15 years
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………..or until Madeleine is found and then we will all know what happened………

“PLEASE GO TO THIS WEBSITE AND SHOW YOUR SUPPORT FOR
KATE AND GERRY AND DONATE MONEY TO
THE… FUND… TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR ALL CHILDREN”

Does ANORAK permit the soliciting of money on its website forum. I hope not. If not, please delete this request to support the McLiars. If so, readers should also feel free to donate money to the FUND TO PUT KATE AND GERRY MCCANN IN JAIL FOR A LONG LONG TIME. There is also another FUND TO HELP FIND MADELEINE’S BODY TO USE AS EVIDENCE AGAINST THE MCCANNS. Another choice would be the FUND TO HELP FIND THE TWINS DECENT PARENTS AFTER THE MCCANNS LOSE CUSTODY OF THEM.

Whoa !! chill girl !! No-one has forgotten about the basic fact that Madeleine is still missing and may or may not be dead. I don’t think any posters on any of the many threads is likely to forget that, we all know that and wish more than anything that this poor little mite will be found - either way - to put an end to all this dreadful mystery. It is beyond frustrating that we haven’t a clue where she is or what happened to her.

It is the tangled web that the McCrims and their dodgy associates have woven that people are still commenting on but are, in fact, getting jaded with. There is something very wrong in all of that and I, for one, would love to get to the bottom of it but please don’t assume that we have all forgotten Madeleine….far from it !!

Fortunately for the child, she was found wandering at 1.30 am and picked up by police officers . The mother said she only “intended to leave the house for five minutes” .

Name’s obviously not McCrim then……

Your scenario is, though, one which makes the McCanns’ guilt minimal. It’s hard to imagine a scenario in which they could rid themselves of child-neglect/cover-up guilt. I tried. I think you would have to assume that they LIED about their monitoring system and LIED about not using the MW system. They did no checking, because the children were being checked by MW staff.

It was reported that all children were together, “but one”. If that is so, then all Tapas9 lied about where the children were. Now, since the Paynes were using the MW monitoring system, this would mean that ALL children (but one) were being monitored.

Now suppose the one child who was NOT there with them was Madeleine, who had already fallen gravely ill/injured. She had been removed to another apartment.

I do not know the details of the MW monitoring system, but I understood it involved MW staff merely listening to determine if children were crying or making noise. Thus, the staff responsible for monitoring did not necessarily know how many children were in the apartment. (let me know if I’m wrong, but I think their job did not include visually checking each child). This staff thus could not know that Madeleine was not in the apartment (or would probably not know), unless they were extra diligent, curious, etc.

So under this version, the child neglect issue is considerably lessened (other than the separate issue of how sufficient is the MW service), but the cover-up seems even more sinister.

So for the McCanns their minimum culpability would probably be to have people believe they are “merely” covering up child neglect. And yet they have essentially admitted this neglect, and the cover stories of parents checking is very weak. So they wind up appearing to be guilty of BOTH child neglect, AND covering up something more sinister.

One almost wants to feel sorry for the McCanns, because they appear to be such vile creatures, and one wonders how could anyone be so vile… but it’s plain as day that Madeleine died either by sedation-induced allergic response, or by sedation-induced accident. Do we KNOW this? Well, the whole point of hiding the body is so that we can’t know for sure what they were most afraid of in the autopsy.

1155 Peter O Says:
“The only ‘issues’ I can see with the above scenario is that the McCann’s would be completely innocent. A thought which appears to be conflict with a lot of peoples heartfelt beliefs.”

Sorry, but you are wrong on this point. The McCanns would not be “completely innocent”. They would still be guilty of neglect, and of cover-up — by your own admission:

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Good point..

I’m not getting into that whole ‘neglect’ debate again!

I did correct my post on today’s blog pointing out that even if the scenario I described were true, that the McCann’s baby listening service was still crap and they would continue to be quite possibly the most annoying couple and worst self seeking publicists we’ve ever had the displeasure to have on our TV’s.

My blood boils every time someone tries to make excuses for their baby listening service!

Sorry, but you are wrong on this point. The McCanns would not be “completely innocent”. They would still be guilty of neglect, and of cover-up — by your own admission:

“• The friend would be more than happy to go along with the need to concoct an alibi, if one was needed, that could show that the children were checked regularly. They may even have ‘helpfully’ suggested that an alibi would be ‘prudent’ in order to avoid possible child neglect charges.”

November 8th, 2007 at 12:54 am
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The Real Stig
Terribly sorry, it is just I am suspicious that the witness, a British restaurant owner might have a large chest freezer and I would like it if her satatement could be corroborated by someone else

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How true! I didn’t know this man was a restaurant owner.

Not “angry” at anyone. I was having a discussion with soothsayer who imho is a fraud pretending to have important connections. It was s/he who used the word “mulatto” which is a derogatory word and anyone with normal intelligence would not use. Certainly not someone who claims to be a ’soothsayer’?

Of course the answers are in the DNA. But soothsayer has already firmly stated s/he doesn’t care what the Texas authorities have to say. S/he *knows* Baby Grace’s race and a whole bunch of other pertinant information.

I read Stevos’ post but did not respond because a) I’ve already commented that I would no longer engage in debates about whether or not BG is or is not Madeleine. I already clearly stated my position posting info on 2 other missing American girls who I think BG probably is and b) there is nothing else for me to discuss until someone steps forward with information or the forensics lead them to her family.

I am a believer in science and thus believe in DNA. And I am more than willing to wait for the results. However, I never once said that other people cannot discuss the matter. I have no idea where you got that idea from.

(975) Peter O.
We seem to be misunderstanding each other. Edit….

But what about the rest of what I said?

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Apologies.. Anorak crashed last night….

I think, with respect, you are making this scenario somewhat more complicated than it needs to be. Nowhere in my original post did I suggest that KM had any knowledge of what happened.

• Sometime after the McCann’s left for the Tapas bar, one of their friends for some unknown reason entered the McCann’s apartment.

• Something happened which necessitated Madeleine being removed from the McCann’s apartment – either dead or alive.

• The friend then joined the McCann’s and their friends at the Tapas bar.

• Once Madeleine was discovered ‘missing’ at 10.00 PM, the ‘friend’ may even have helpfully suggested to Gerry that Madeleine must have been abducted because she couldn’t have opened doors/windows etc.

• The friend would be more than happy to go along with the need to concoct an alibi, if one was needed, that could show that the children were checked regularly. They may even have ‘helpfully’ suggested that an alibi would be ‘prudent’ in order to avoid possible child neglect charges.

• This scenario doesn’t require anybody else other than the ‘friend’ to have any knowledge of what happened to Madeleine. That said, it wouldn’t be impossible that the “friend’s” partner was aware, or had to become aware at some stage.

I’m not suggesting that I believe the above scenario, because I haven’t a clue what happened. I’m just pointing out an alternative theory that might fit the known ‘evidence’.

The only ‘issues’ I can see with the above scenario is that the McCann’s would be completely innocent. A thought which appears to be conflict with a lot of peoples heartfelt beliefs.

Thanks Kris, had a look. The Baby Grace had wavy hair apparently.