As usual you are thoughtful and give good counter arguments.

If you google Mark Warner Resorts you can then research their stance on Madeleine McCann.

It was very odd that they (McCann’s) declined the baby sitting services.

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I also have a hard time understanding the latest so called news. That an abducter panicked killed Madeleine and fled with her body?? If he panicked why not flee. Why take the time to kill her and then take her body??? This is hard to conceive ???
This is not a McCann lynching..This is a so called investigator lynching.

November 27th, 2007 at 7:38 pm

REPLY: I know On2U said they were told that but I did not have time to ask her where she read that? I hadn’t heard it before this, you two.

It is not a pro McCann rant, Scotty Says, those examples of children being taken with someone in close proximity are reality and NOT all that rare.

My ‘thing’ is you condemning them for not only leaving their child(ren) unattended but also the majority are insinuating and others deliberately attempting to convince the lynch mob they killed their child. What I’m saying is they are guilty, wrong or whatever you want to call it for leaving their child(ren) alone in the room; yet what laws did they break doing that? From what I could gather from some on here - no real laws exist on what age a child can be or not be left alone? They were too young to be left alone in my eyes, I wouldn’t have done that but then I never had a reason on vacation with the kids to have to make that choice…and maybe make a stupid one without thinking - I didn’t so…

This lynch mob ready to drag them to the Tower of London for killing their daughter; thus, far they have not been charged with their child’s disappearance or possible death. I gave you those just a FEW examples of many abductions over here with parent or someone in close proximity to show you that hey it can happen as you stand there watching your child, sleeping in the same house. Yes, they made it easier for someone to abduct her….but whoever would have gotten to her.

I am familiar w/all the cases you mention…and I am sure most of these families had no reason to think it would happen to them….. . Although in at least two of the cases you mentioned it was a registered offender who lived in the community.The neighbor’s had not been notified of his presence.
Also the McCann’s were made aware by mgt. @resort that it would not be a good idea to leave the children alone. They were told about the safety factor due to robberies in the complex and should use baby sitting service. The McCann’s declined. It might be said that in the US we are overprotective. I do think when visiting a foreign country it should not be likened to your own backyard.

November 25th, 2007 at 11:37 am
JONBENET RAMSEY AND THE RANSOM NOTE

Extract from Wikipedia

REPLY: How did you manage to leave off the below? Oversight on your part, Mr. Bennett?

“But there were elements that didn’t fit the theory that the Ramseys did it - the discovery of DNA in JonBenét’s underpants that did not match any samples taken from her family, friends or any known suspects. And a footprint found near the basement window didn’t match any shoes in the house.”

You were a lawyer, correct? You know the Rules of Discovery! If the ‘Prosecutor’ has information/evidence that could help the Defense they must produce it! Guess the above information also written was overlooked by you!

Do you know how many innocent people have gone to prison for years and even sat on death row because police and prosecutors hide evidence, manipulated evidence, destroyed evidence, gave false testimony because they wanted someone found guilty they personally thought were guilty and swayed the jury who then reached the wrong verdict?

The emotional fury over there and I’m not saying it is wrong to be so outraged leaving a child alone is based on the fact that child was left alone - although checked on. However, from the very beginning it has had all the ear marks of the work of a paedophile! If a paedophile focuses on a child they will get that child even if the parents are nearby or in the same house.

A year and a half ago, grandparents in FL put their granddaughter to bed, age around 9, then went to bed. In the morning they and the father got up the child was gone! A man from nearby came in through a window during the night, took the child to where he was staying, sexually abused her for around 2 days, then put her in two garbage bags ALIVE and buried her. Police didn’t find him in time and when they did and then went to where he had buried her alive she was dead.

Three years ago a little girl was playing with her playmates in a yard with a fence around it, her mother was in house looking out window, a car stopped and man jumped out, grabbed the little girl over the fence, took off and the police found her sexually abused body hours later.

Years ago in California, young girls were having a slumber party for the night and the one girl’s parents were home and in bed. A man came in through the front door, grabbed the one young girl and ran out and the police found her sexually abused body!

There was a young 5 year old girl taken from a neighborhood Christmas Party for parents and their children about 15 years and everyone was around in the room, she was surrounded by people including her mother there, all of a sudden she wasn’t in the room! A man had gotten her standing by the door and quickly, it turned out, got her out the door. They found her dead.

A couple 10 miles away had two teenage girls around 12 and 13, both old enough under the law to go home alone after school. They came home the girls were gone. The police found their sexually abused bodies days later laying side by side in the shallow part of the river.

We have too many cases of paedophiles taking children to list them all. But we have put in place over here what we call the “Amber Alert”, named after one girl who was a victim of a paedophile. When a child is missing or seen taken highway signs flash the warning and if possible the description of the car or person seen with the child. Radio and TVs also give the warning.

For those self-righteous people who feel they have the right to judge the McCanns for leaving the children alone then judge them on that. But until it is ever proven they were actually directly involved in the disappearance of their daughter it is not your right to judge them on that.

A lot of questions to be answered yet…

Who were “they”?

I think you may find the UK is far worse than Portugal and many other countries. The UK has very lax laws regarding children (for example, the use of ‘reasonable chastisement’ which really is quite medieval). The UK has not signed up completely to the UN Charter for Children and there are plenty of parents who think its fine to leave the kids alone or to bung them into creches and with nannies at any opportunity.

The ruling classes are basically corrupt in many ways.

I too have a memory of a scouse woman, my first erotic encounter! Better not think about that!

I dont actually get a ‘news’ paper, but from what I have seen, the media have not reflected the public view that the McCanns have something to hide and the that the (at least) ill judged (though some would say criminal) act which resulted in Madeleine being known to us was perpetrated by the parents (they left the kids over a period of 6 nights with insufficient protection and supervision).

The majority of those in the media seem to think its the parents who need to be protected, presumably they think madeleine is beyond help, or they believe that children are not as important as adults.

There is corruption in all Countries/Gov’ts. Some is more widespread than others. If you look @ the statistics (if they are accurate)you will find there are certain countries have more pedophile activity than others. I believe Portugual is one of them. Although they will deny that. In Morocco they have an affinity towards young blondes(that too will be denied.) If their is a market out there you certainly will have crooks, degenerates eager to supply that market. If the Gov’t is laxed (corrupt)that will make it easier.

The word is hired not highered.

“no closer to the truth than when we started”

Could that be due to people in high places who do not want the truth. The McCann’s have been busy highering a top lawyer who’s claim to fame is fighting extradition. They have highered publicists to give them a positive image and finally a PI who only says what the McCann’s want us to hear…This whole case hase been manipulated from day one. You are correct in saying that we may never find the truth.

100%!!!!

Thank you for that link. I’ve read about a scandal with orphanages, politicians and policemen. If I remember correctly Mr Rebelo (who’s in charge of the Madeleine investigation now) played a big part in solving that.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2628711.ece

On the other hand, we have to stay fair (unlike some other people) and not accuse or even suggest we accuse/suspect anyone without solid ground. One rotten apple does infect the rest in the basket, but seeing one rotten apple doesn’t mean they’re all rotten. If I knew one nasty American (I don’t know a nasty one, only nice onces) it doesn’t mean the whole lot of them are nasty, isn’t it?

Everywhere in each country there are cops who are “corrupt” by the drugs mafia, the weapon mafia and I guess also the paedophile mafia. It’s got nothing to do with the country, it’s got all to do with their rotten mind, infiltration and even more often money too.

So I put my hopes on mr Rebelo solving this terrible tragedy. The sooner the better.

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Kate seems manipoulative - hard and cold, not because she doesnt cry on camera, theres something else there - though it might be the hard scouse bitches I have known!!
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Yeah, I have a slight ‘nag’ that Gerry either didn’t know at the time, or wasn’t aware of all the details in some way. Gradually information has come out and/or been discussed. And yes, I thought he looked visibly shocked just after he was made an arguido. While it’s always genuinely possible that this was something completely unexpected, I wonder if he had just learnt/understood something(s) for the first time?

It may also go some way to explaining why they’ve persisted with Jane Tanner’s statement(s) for so long? i.e. If Gerry didn’t know what had ‘actually’ happened until some time after the event(s)..

Scouse girls…. I grew up there, they aren’t all bad, far from it. You get over the bad ones, eventually… I still go weak at the knees whenever I hear the accent at the other end of a telephone!