..BRING MADDIE HOME NOW!

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/27298

December 5th, 2007 at 12:49 am
news is that the portugese police are on the ball, they will now interview and possibly call back to Portugal (on their own terms and turf, which is as it should be…after all, THEY are the ones investigating…a murder that occurred under their noses… the suspects and or witnesses to the confusion…unless the witnesses have all held brainstorming meetings, and the lies line up better, they will have varying accounts of what happened.

The child has not been found.
Because she was never abducted.
Sad, yet true.
The truth will out, and the culprits will be found.

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REPLY: June, they have to interview them again - they are down to the wire on closing this case one way or the other. As for all of them brainstorming together, if you’ll note for as closely as they are all being watched by press and public since being back - not a word of any of them being seen visiting each other as a group and they are surely not going to hold any brainstorming conversations on the telephones since it is rumoured they are wiretapped! They all have a lawyer or lawyers individually by now and have to have been advised to stay away from each other so they can’t be accused of conspiring up a story or to get it down pat.

What do you mean the child has not been found because she was not abducted? If she was abducted it is not a guarantee she would be found. Her picture is up over here on the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s site as missing, where from, description, etc., along with many thousands of other missing children who haven’t been found - and many for years still missing - and may never be found.

What are all going to say if some day her remains are found in some far off country - her parents shipped her body on a plane to some other foreign country to dispose of it there? Let’s see, majority seem to believe a theory they transported a body 25 days later in stages of decay to dispose of it; so I presume it is not too far fetched to expect some to think up the use of a plane next.

This reinterviewing the parents and friends certainly means the Police are ready to reach a decision from what they hear or sort out - in the UK or having them back to Portugal - if they should be charged with a crime or not. So I don’t think many have to wait much longer for a decision.

Dot

The child has not been found.
Because she was never abducted.
Sad, yet true.
The truth will out, and the culprits will be found.

The new “towel with blood specks” I find interesting…and it is connected. Perhaps the child was hidden there temporarily??? anyone, ideas?

Also, the mobile phone messages are going to be very telling…I think I read that the phone text messages were what led the police to the barn, is that right…

Anyway, all of those who lie to perpetuate this hoax are a shame and a disgrace and should all be sent to jail, IF found guilty of cover up and lies….

December 4th, 2007 at 3:04 am
Does anyone know where the devil Soothsayer is?

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…no but I would like to know too………..

December 4th, 2007 at 10:59 am soothsayer (aka bollox) has been silent (to the best of my knowledge) since last Thursday when her predictions came crashing down
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So who is the “soothsayer” then and where can I see the predictions ?

REPLY: Stevo, to keep from replying separately to each of your replies I’ll take them one by one now, if that is fair with you.

Yes, Stevo, I feel it is a FACT that the first investigators bungled the case. You will recall that when the second team was brought in they had to start from scratch and did mention evidence was tainted with ashes, room not sealed off right away, etc. and DID NOT blame that on the McCanns. When I use the word ‘royally’ that is in lieu of using a stronger word, Stevo, a habit I have when writing for public reading versus what word I might say in person.

I can’t figure out where you get …”will accept the news whichever way it suits me..” not sure what you are referring to, Stevo. If you meant that I’m willing to sit and not pass judgment until the final report is in, exactly what I intend to do as I am not going to judge them without just cause. Stevo, I’m not going to start quoting ‘law’ to you but everyone is entitled to a fair trial and presumed innocent until proven guilty. Stevo, as a jury is instructed the defendant can be found guilty if you are convinced beyond a reasonable doubt they are guilty of said crime. I’m not convinced beyond a reasonable doubt they are guilty, Stevo - show me the FACTS and all the hard evidence to be yet produced by the police and prosecutors and then I’ll throw in my vote if the evidence produced takes me beyond a reasonable doubt.

As for the DNA in the boot of the Scenic…that was put out as found in the boot of the car and, in fact, it is talked about the UK specialists on LCN are working on a minute piece of the fabric. Come on, Stevo, you admit yourself about throwing things into the boot (or trunk over here) of a car. So when it was put out that is where supposedly DNA was found, of course they’ll point out re dirty nappies, toys, clothes, etc. were put. Don’t know about you but if that was said re me and I was under suspicion that would be my reaction..like, listen you idiots (to the police) that is where I put all the kids stuff - dirty clothes, baby bottles, toys, etc. Now, Stevo, I don’t buy your scenario like DNA in the backseat of the car. Would you please, Stevo. Since all of you are so hell bent on them moving her body in that car can you please be realistic about it? They certainly aren’t going to put her body, in decay after 25 days, in the backseat with her siblings!

As for showing nastiness towards a possible perpetrator…Stevo, you must remember that in any crime that involves a missing or dead child, spouse or someone living in your house with you those in the house are immediate suspect and police have to investigate to take whoever off the suspect list. So I presume if something terrible should happen in a house to a child, spouse, relative or whoever then one spouse living in the house should immediately treat nasty the other spouse or relatives remaining in the house or even their own child? Once again, Stevo - presumed innocent until proven guilty. The child is missing - it is the police’s responsbility to eliminate the parents as suspects. We think we know Tanner’s testimony is contradictory…I believe she has said she wants to clarify some of it, hasn’t she? Stevo, step back for a minute and be objective for a second: just imagine the emotions involved upon finding that child missing, good grief, Stevo, I’m not sure I’d be able to remember anything beyond screaming for that child and rushing around frantically. That night, Stevo, would be a living nightmare and memories all jumbled up … do you see my point in that?

As for the cadaver dogs, I respect their abilities but they are not infalliable any more than we are. And since you pointed out what the police could have been deliberately putting out to get a reaction from the Mccanns re the DNA in car - how do WE KNOW they really did smell death?

You ask am I following the case, Stevo? Read every paper over there since it happened. In fact, many times I get the morning news before those over there - I’m up late at night and hours behind you when the morning papers come out over there and I read them on the net!

I have a real interest in law and justice and things like that, Stevo. To be honest with you , I eliminated the parents as the perpetrators in my mind all most immediately even after studying all that was written and the police who were first involved, etc. I even looked their faces (the parents) on the news, TV, etc….you know sometimes just looking at someone’s face for grief, upset, reactions can give you an instinct about them… that is why, Stevo, if you’ll recall my posting two weeks ago about my research into child trafficking, paedophilia over in Portugal…that is where my mind went to all most immediately, Stevo…that nagged in my mind and I researched if it was a problem over there - it was and is.

One thing that bothered me at the beginning and has stayed in the back of my mind, Stevo, maybe you have something about it in your files - remember the one man who was supposed to check on the kids and he at first he said he did and then it was said he went back and said he really didn’t go in the room just listened at the door? Was that FACT or once again just conjecture in the papers?

However, my mind is opened to the fact it could have been the parents who are doing one hell of a con job but you know…I’ll be surprised, Stevo, if it was them.

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You said:

1. What amazes me is the nastiness coming out in people in horrible accusations about the parents killing their child.
2.The only thing for certain known is they left that child alone with her siblings.
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REPLY:

1. Whenever a child has been potentially killed, it is perfectly normal for other adults to show nastiness towards a possible perpetrator. When the people who made Madeleine disappear are brought to justice let’s put it this way - if you think people are nasty now, you ‘ain’t seen nothing yet.
2. Many things are known about this case. That isn’t the only thing known at all. We know that they left their children alone all but one night on that holiday. We know that Jane Tanner’s testimony is contradictory. We know that there is some DNA evidence in the Scenic. We know that the police think Kate killed Madeleine and Gerry is also involved somehow. We know that cadaver dogs sensed the scent of death on Kate’s clothes and in the car. Have you been following this case? There’s lots of known facts out there.

1388 Cheryl

I know what you mean about throwing things in the boot in a haphazard way. I agree with you. But get this - the McCanns responded to a story about DNA being found in the boot of the Scenic. They responded to newspaper stories - the same way we are responding to newspaper stories. Here’s the catch…you, me or the gate post do not know any details of the DNA evidence…AND neither do the McCanns. Yet, Gerry, Clarence and co, came out with their rotting meat and nappies explanation. Don’t you realise that the DNA could have been found on the back seat of the car - the PJ might have said it was found in the boot to get a reaction. And guess what? They got a reaction from the McCanns didn’t they? The police are far cleverer than your “royally bungled” viewpoint.

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Dunno,maybe no news?

Last night you posted a list of facts related to the case when you were trying to say in effect that we the people don’t really know much at all and we post hearsay and innuendo.

In your post of “facts” you said:

Fact known: first group of investigators royally bungled the investigation.

If you are going to personally make out that we the people don’t really know what is fact from fiction then how can you make such a blatant comment as saying the first investigators (PJ) “royally” bungled the investigation?

You make some good points but buried in amongst your good points you let yourself down and show that really you’re quite biased and will accept the news whichever way it suits you - which is what the people you complain about are doing.

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Not sure whether it’s a bad translation or not, but I’ve noticed before that they’ve referred to the twins as ‘Madeleine’s brothers’!

More news from Portuguese newspapers:

“Kate and Gerry McCann may be asked to return to Portugal by police investigating the disappearance of their daughter, it was reported today.
Three Policia Judici•ria investigators are expected to leave for the UK in the next few days with letters requesting fresh interviews with the McCanns and their holiday friends - the so-called Tapas Nine.
The new interviews will take place on British soil and Portuguese police will only be allowed to watch while UK counterparts ask new questions.
But members of the group may be asked to return to the Algarve for “face to face meetings” or ID parades, Portuguese-daily newspaper Correio da Manha said.
A source linked to the case told the paper: “The interview requests are practically ready and will go this week.
“Police can ask for extra things in the request letters than what ends up being done in the UK.
“They will ask for the McCanns and all their holiday friends to be questioned again. But only when the reinterviews start to take place, will it be determined if it is necessary for anyone to return to Portugal.”
Portuguese daily newspaper 24 horas claimed today Portuguese police were just waiting for the “green light from the English”.
It said: “The McCanns are not going to escape a new police interrogation.”
A source told the paper: “We’re doing everything we can to get the letters requesting fresh interviews authorised this week. They are ready and depend on bureaucratic procedures now.”

December 4th, 2007 at 6:23 am
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Cheryl Says:
“As for the McCanns raising money, etc. I honestly don’t think that was their idea.”

How would you know anyway? What is the basis of your “thinking” this? Neither of the McCanns have ever said anything to suggest they did not want people to contribute. The McCanns participated in Team McCann right from the outset. Gerry was blabbering on his blog while the rest of the website was set up to make money, selling crap like bracelets, T-shirts and posters at exorbitant prices. The McCanns could have shut this operation down anytime they wanted. They are the ones behind it! Like it or not, they are captain and co-captain of Team McCann.

Your remark brings up a related point. The McCanns are responsible for every statement that Team McCann has made on their behalf — all of the uttererances by their “official spokesman” Clarence Mitchell, for example. All of those pathetic excuses, such as leaky garbage bags with rotting meat in the spare tyre well, etc are all attributable to the McCanns and they will not be able to squirm their way out of it by claiming “Clarence said that, not us.”

These monster McCanns have spent all their energy trying to evade justice and escape responsibility. How fascinating that now we have pro-McConns coming around trying to blame Team McCann for “mistakes” that were made. This is just more evasion.

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The basis for my thinking that is, besides common sense, parents whose child is missing literally go into shock and frantically search and question everything and literally beg for help…as I said in earlier post - until you have been thru it or seen it for yourself with friends going through it you have no idea of the emotions involved!

As for the children’s clothes, toys, garbage or whatever in the wheel of the car trunk …gee, I remember when taking my wee ones on vacations in the car everything was thrown in the trunk going and coming, including a week’s worth of dirty clothes on the way back, some soiled from ‘accidents’ wee ones have. Why shouldn’t the McCanns have pointed that out - everyone else was saying ’see see that proves they did it’ - they were using common sense in saying that, which few others had or still have in sorting thru this tragedy. Have you noted, well how could you miss it, that ALL that great DNA that supposedly matched up to 80% of being the childs they found in apartment and car just didn’t exist? What about the footprint on the trunk of the car and everyone saying it was from one putting the body in the car? What about it? It was a policeman’s footprint - they finally admitted.

Look at your statement starting- “The monster McCanns….” your mind is made they did it come hell or high water and if they are taken off the suspect list you’ll be one of many thousands crying ‘fraud a fix is in I just know they did I just know they did it’…. and ‘that is as the lynch mob goes at night and drags them out and hangs them from a tree justifying their actions.

I’m not saying they are not guilty - but why can’t all of you use common sense - the evidence isn’t there … my take on all of those fanatics screaming they are guilty is ALL of them want them to be because they left their children alone - what a more fitting punishment for them as they don’t meet everyone’s expectations of the perfect parenting parents, as all of those others must be to be so self-righteous!

I’m sitting here waiting to see what the police say directly for all to hear. Everything right now is nothing but rumours and innuendos and newspapers feeding nothing but that. Ugly rumours about another are usually started by ugly people; as only ugly people enjoy passing ugly statements not based on facts to ruin another!!