December 13th, 2007 at 6:56 am
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Cheryl Says:
“Paedophiles act on their own most times - they dont need invitations to take a child. Paedophiles don’t look like you would picture one to look - creepy or show signs of being attracted to young children - - they come from all walks of life - businessmen to clergy to low lifes.”

This may be so, but Team McCann has INSISTED that this abductor.paedophile did NOT act on his own. They say it was planned, and Metodo3 has completely adopted the Team McCann position.

Team McCann/Metodo3 have, IOW, claimed that Madeleine was transferred from one person to another. Again, it is a MYSTERY how they could know this, but that is what they allege. Metodo3 has even claimed that one of its “sightings” supports this.

The Team McCann Paedophile Abduction Theory DOES fit perfectly with the idea that Madeleine’s body is being transferred from one place to another, by various people.

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REPLY: That would be a logical conclusion to come to since there have been so many supposed sightings in different countries. More than one person would have to be involved - child trafficking. Look at people who work in the ‘black market’ to get the type of child/baby someone wants and not always for horrible sinister reasons.

Most likely is that there is a separate original photo, from which those two were created. Or someone went from the short-hair version to the long-hair version. But since the hair obscures facial features, one could not have created the short-hair photo from the long-hair one.

IMO it shows that the long-hair was photoshopped into that photo, giving us an example of a McCann photo that DEFINITELY is fake.

Get the two photos and look again… I think you will see what I mean.
That’s the significance I see here — not the over-blown case-cracking significance Matt was being sarcastic about.

“PS…you seem to have “overlooked” Stevo’s reply to your repeated request for him to give his judgement on the pics you considered to be soooo important to the case. ”

Why do you use quote for overlooked? I had in fact been looking all through Stevo’s posts and had missed it. BTW I never said the pics were “important to the case” — this was your own sarcastic addition to our exchange.

I merely said that I think those 2 specific pictures were taken long ago, when Madeleine’s hair WAS very short, and so they are closest to the originals, as compared with the long-hair version of the same shot.

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Stevo Says:

“I looked at those pictures of Madeleine with hair cropped
short - they came out months ago as did other similar
photos of Madeleine with what-if? type scenarios.
They were always poor quality attempts by someone trying
to make others visualise what Madeleine might look like
if her appearance had altered.”

I am not talking about a group of photos — I was discussing exactly two photos, especially one in particular.

“I think Matt already alluded to this. Basically, they’re old and irrelevant.”

Matt may have been alluding to a previous discussion, I’m sure. But I am specifically asking about the one picture with Madeleine in red dress (the 5th of that series). The girl may not have even turned 3 years old in that photo.

The “standard” version of that shot has Madeleine with long hair. So tell me how someone altered the long-hair photo into the short-hair photo. I say it is highly unlikely. So either both photos were altered, or only the long-hair one was. If both photos were altered, the short-hair version is the one closest to the original.

Matt: “Sort of supports my view of how unimportant and insignificant they were.”

It indicates to me that you were probably parroting some stuff other people said on this FORUM. You could not give your own idea of why I am wrong, and so far neither has Stevo.

This may be so, but Team McCann has INSISTED that this abductor.paedophile did NOT act on his own. They say it was planned, and Metodo3 has completely adopted the Team McCann position.

Team McCann/Metodo3 have, IOW, claimed that Madeleine was transferred from one person to another. Again, it is a MYSTERY how they could know this, but that is what they allege. Metodo3 has even claimed that one of its “sightings” supports this.

The Team McCann Paedophile Abduction Theory DOES fit perfectly with the idea that Madeleine’s body is being transferred from one place to another, by various people.

PS…you seem to have “overlooked” Stevo’s reply to your repeated request
for him to give his judgement on the pics you considered to be soooo
important to the case.

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Stevo Says:

December 12th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
HIdeki

I looked at those pictures of Madeleine with hair cropped
short - they came out months ago as did other similar
photos of Madeleine with what-if? type scenarios.
They were always poor quality attempts by someone trying
to make others visualise what Madeleine might look like
if her appearance had altered. I think Matt already
alluded to this. Basically, they’re old and irrelevant.

Sort of supports my view of how unimportant and
insignificant they were.

“Hideki, I had not heard it postulated before that the body be preserved and found in Morocco. Rather brilliant plan what?”

This would be a ‘darkly brilliant’ plan. I tried to give the logical basis for the possibility of such a plan in Post 879 of a recent previous thread.

“I also wondered some time ago if the PJ had not come upon the body. But surely if they had, they would not risk losing it again and surely it would be completely unethical for them not to inform the grieving parents of their daughters demise?”

True, I think so too, so if the police did plant a tracking device on the body, it would IMO mean that they are sure the parents are not grieving and that there is a plan to preserve and transport the body. They could have learned of such a plan by communications surveillance — either directly on T9 or possibly surveillance on other people that had been in progress from before. For example, if someone was asked to help (paedophile or drug trafficker, etc) and this person was already under surveillance, the police could learn of the plan from him in communications with others he confides in.

Also, you are right that it would be quite a risk for the police to take in losing the body. But they could mitigate this risk by taking fairly extensive samples from the body before putting it back with the inserted electronic device. Still, for them to do such a thing would mean that they want to learn much more about some criminal network.

I know it seems farfetched to think the police have known all along where the body is, but I also find it somewhat farfetched that the police did not put the McCanns under immediate tight surveillance on May 4 at the latest. Did the police bungle with this, and was it really political interference that caused them to let the McCanns return to England? Or is all of this a ruse so that the people in the network under surveillance have no idea they are being watched?

I was amazed that the T9 brazenly met together like that. I feel Team McCann must be quite desperate about something, intimidating the T9. Clarence previously BRAGGED that the T9 have one lawyer, and “speak with one voice”. Recently he bragged that they are showing “solidarity”. This is nothing less than admitting that there is a “pact”, as the Portuguese allege. It’s difficult to digest, isn’t it?

December 13th, 2007 at 4:40 am
What kind of people would sell their daughter, or rent her out to paedophiles? This is a general question and does not refer to any specific person.
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REPLY: Low lifes do the above. Every so often one comes across a case of the above and it is sickening. This one mother actually permitted her new husband to sexually abuse her daughter for fear he’d leave her - then when she got out of jail (he got longer time) she actually wanted to visit her daughter and explain to her and ask her forgiveness! Needless to say the daughter (who had been adopted by a very nice family) wasn’t amendable to that.
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Paedophilia is such a taboo subject that perhaps we cannot know what the “going rates” are for such nefarious and horrifying practices. But I am sure that special police units do know.

REPLY: Paedophiles act on their own most times - they dont need invitations to take a child. Paedophiles don’t look like you would picture one to look - creepy or show signs of being attracted to young children - - they come from all walks of life - businessmen to clergy to low lifes.
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I’d have to suspect that just as there are some billionaires who keep mistresses, so their are some who keep “little princesses”. The latter world is the one that Madeleine descended into, according to the McCanns. How on earth did they know this? I challenged them to explain why they KNOW a predator/paedophile took Madeleine, but they have not come forth with an answer. So I guess we will just have to wonder about that. It is a mystery.

REPLY: If she was in fact abducted odds are more it was by a paedophile (their usual mo - abuct and sexually abuse and keep for sexual abuse or kill when done) more than by someone desperate for a child. When a paedophile abducts a child the first hours are crucial in finding that child to get it back alive. Yet, we had a man go to trial the other month (sentenced to life) who had aducted a young boy from a bus stop the other year and when he was tracked down and police broke into his apartment a week or so later they actually found another boy there also he had abducted 4 years prior and held him captive for sexual abuse. We have had other cases of children or young teens abducted and found alive years later. One has to give police credit where credit is due, a case may die down and be off the news or out of the papers, forgotten after awhile, but good police don’t just put the case away and forget it. Look at the case in the UK recently the police after all these many years found those two young girls’ bodies.

Also, does someone have a link to those references about spinal fluid?

Paedophilia is such a taboo subject that perhaps we cannot know what the “going rates” are for such nefarious and horrifying practices. But I am sure that special police units do know.

I’d have to suspect that just as there are some billionaires who keep mistresses, so their are some who keep “little princesses”. The latter world is the one that Madeleine descended into, according to the McCanns. How on earth did they know this? I challenged them to explain why they KNOW a predator/paedophile took Madeleine, but they have not come forth with an answer. So I guess we will just have to wonder about that. It is a mystery.

Also, does someone have a link to those references about spinal fluid?

Convict the McCanns and have them receive the maximum sentence. That is my goal. Same as yours?

“Find out what happened to cause the child’s disappearance..”

This can be done while the McCanns are sitting in jail for child neglect. No big hurry.

” and also find the child?”

Do you think they will confess where the body has been hidden?

” Yes, some are dead set in their beliefs the parents caused directly her disappearance”

Child neglect led directly to it, unless they are lying about the last time they saw her.

“some are dead set in their beliefs the parents didn’t cause her disappearance directly (not counting the Neglect on their part)”

NOT COUNTING NEGLECT? That makes no sense! The child neglect is the bedrock of the case.

“and some are willing to wait unti the true Facts are in before judging the parents.”

Like I said, throw them in jail for the maximum 10 years, for child abandonment and endangerment. Maybe a couple more years for perverting justice and violating the secrecy law. I have calculated that Gerry could be in for 12, and Kate for 14.

Meanwhile, I do agree that the investigation should continue gathering up more “true facts” so that hopefully neither of them ever gets out of prison. JMO.

http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/Sociopaths/photo#5100731972930637010
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Chilling!
When those eyes flit to the corners in each other’s directions. When they both act like they’re about to laugh if they don’t keep their faces straight. Kate seems to almost force herself back to her focus point so that the won’t break form.

December 13th, 2007 at 3:20 am
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Peter O Says:
529 Postman Pat Says:
“Peter O I see that you have a cyber stalker Hideki, I wish you luck and plenty of ammo to fire back.”

So IOW my comments were just my impressions of Matt’s posts to me on this thread. My comments concerning PeterO are based on reading quite a lot of his posts. However, as PeterO has correctly pointed out, no one knows who anyone is here, and I certainly cannot prove that he is a Team McCann player. Even the most conspicuous and loudest of McScam supporters may not be Team McCann members.

Even I could be a Team McCann plant, expressing my subversive view that the McCanns should be imprisoned for at least 14 years, only because the public expression of this view benefits Clarence Mitchell, who I also think could spend some time in jail for perverting justice.

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REPLY: This is not directed at you personally but the ‘having to be in camps’ either anti or pro-McCann puzzles me. Aren’t we all after the same goal? Find out what happened to cause the child’s disappearance and also find the child? Yes, some are dead set in their beliefs the parents caused directly her disappearance; some are dead set in their beliefs the parents didn’t cause her disappearance directly (not counting the Neglect on their part); and some are willing to wait unti the true Facts are in before judging the parents.

Peter: “I think that’s slightly unfair. Hideki and I disagree a lot, that’s all.”

Also Mods and Admin comments in post 562, urging/demanding Postman Pat to stop stirring the pot. Obviously, PP has failed to create any animosity between me and PeterO or anyone else.

Also related is 407 and 426 exchange between Stevo and Chenier. In my own post, I did not mean to suggest that Chenier had said Matt is giving Clarence “an easy ride” — I merely meant to use her way of saying pro-McScum, ie. “giving Clarence an easy ride, perhaps unintentionally”, as my way of telling Matt what I thought about his recent posts.

My prior exchange with Chenier was a couple of days ago, when she told several lies about my posting, including the outrageous lie that I had called her a “paid paedophile”. Chenier attacked me relentlessly — I’m not sure why. I guess I must have said something mean about the McCanns.

My comments tosay were directed at Matt, who had been mindlessly repeating what the McCanns said about two suspicious photos — I certainly was not commenting on the whole of Matt’s posts, many of which I do not read.

So IOW my comments were just my impressions of Matt’s posts to me on this thread. My comments concerning PeterO are based on reading quite a lot of his posts. However, as PeterO has correctly pointed out, no one knows who anyone is here, and I certainly cannot prove that he is a Team McCann player. Even the most conspicuous and loudest of McScam supporters may not be Team McCann members.

Even I could be a Team McCann plant, expressing my subversive view that the McCanns should be imprisoned for at least 14 years, only because the public expression of this view benefits Clarence Mitchell, who I also think could spend some time in jail for perverting justice.

…And then we heard that five of the six other couples who happened to be staying at the hotel have since started divorce proceedings, and the management have been charged with money laundering, tax evasion and keeping a disorderly house, as they say in England, since they filed their tax returns that day.