Madeleine McCann: Posters Taken Down And Father Pacheco’s Shell
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MIRROR front page: “MADELEINE: THE GIRL WHO NEVER WAS -
Resort stripped of posters as locals turn their back”
In Praia da Luz the posters have been removed. “It is as if locals are desperate to wipe out all trace of the four-year-old who disappeared from their midst”
Is it? Eight months of featuring posters of the missing child there is still no sign of her. Do people still notice the posters?
Page 4: “MADDY ERASED”
“Yet surely it is too early for Praia da Luz to turn its back on Madeleine, four. Posters appealing for information could still spark the vital phone call that will break the case wide open”
How long to police maintain a poster of missing person on their own sings that sit outside British stations? Witness appeal posters are often removed within a few days
“They used to be on display in every shop, garage and restaurant - with Madeleine’s photo staring straight out” – Staring, always staring
Says McCann spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “The people of Praia da Luz were incredibly supportive when Kate and Gerry were there and we believe that affection and support is still there. They have nothing but fond memories and remain very grateful to the people for their help”
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “PRIEST ‘BANS’ MADELEINE”
And: “He takes down posters as Praia da Luz ‘wipes her from its memory”
Out of sight, out of mind? But Madeleine is missing and she remains on the front pages…
“Father Jose Manuel Pacheco ordered the removal of scores of green and yellow ribbons which were put up as a symbol of hope in the days after Madeleine vanished”
Father Pacheco was the priest who gave the McCanns the key to his church. Says the Express: “Friends fear for the priest’s health and tell how his life has been ruined after he offered the couple solace”
Says one friend: “Father Jose can’t even hear the Madeleine case mentioned without becoming irate…
“He says that it is an extremely unpleasant situation and that the McCann family only ever brought him problems. He told one friend they ruined his life…He no longer goes to the coffee shops that were part of his daily routine. He just wants to get on with his peaceful life before the McCann whirlwind raped his world. He just wants it all to go away. This has all been a very bad experience for him”
Says a another: “He’s a nervous wreck. He’s hiding secrets that are destroying him”
Page 5: “Madeleine poster ripped off the walls”
It is “DAY 223” in “THE HUNT FOR MADELEINE”
THE SUN front page: “Maddie WHO?”
Why, Madeleine McCann, that’s who…
Page 13: “McCanns erased – LOCALS TEAR DOWN MADDIE PICS IN PRAIA”
Tear down? Nor rip down, rub off or wash away?
Locals are “Fed-up”
“Hundreds of posters, shrines, and photos of Maddie have been ripped down from shop windows, restaurants and even the church in Praia da Luz”
Shrines?
One woman says: “It makes no sense to display symbols of a child’s disappearance when the parents are suspects”
DAILY MAIL page 4: “Maddie posters disappeared from town overnight”
A cashier at the Alisuper minimarket, opposite Father Pacheco’s church, says: “It was my idea to take down the posters with Madeleine’s photos and I no longer wear the bracelet that the child’s father gave me
“It no longer makes sense to display symbols of a child’s disappearance when the parents are suspects”
DAILY STAR page 15: “PRIEST GETS RID OF MADDIE – He tears down posters at ‘shrine’”
Father Jose Pacheco is “tormented”. He is a “shell of a man”
Garry McCann is a “heart consultant”. Kate McCann is a “GP”. Such are the facts
Madeleine McCann posts and posters
Posted: 12th, December 2007 | In: Madeleine McCann Comments (807) | Follow the Comments on our RSS feed: RSS 2.0 | TrackBack | Permalink
Comments
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
ok
December 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
823
Hideki Says:
December 13th, 2007 at 6:56 am
817
Cheryl Says:
“Paedophiles act on their own most times - they dont need invitations to take a child. Paedophiles don’t look like you would picture one to look - creepy or show signs of being attracted to young children - - they come from all walks of life - businessmen to clergy to low lifes.”
This may be so, but Team McCann has INSISTED that this abductor.paedophile did NOT act on his own. They say it was planned, and Metodo3 has completely adopted the Team McCann position.
Team McCann/Metodo3 have, IOW, claimed that Madeleine was transferred from one person to another. Again, it is a MYSTERY how they could know this, but that is what they allege. Metodo3 has even claimed that one of its “sightings” supports this.
The Team McCann Paedophile Abduction Theory DOES fit perfectly with the idea that Madeleine’s body is being transferred from one place to another, by various people.
________________
REPLY: That would be a logical conclusion to come to since there have been so many supposed sightings in different countries. More than one person would have to be involved - child trafficking. Look at people who work in the ‘black market’ to get the type of child/baby someone wants and not always for horrible sinister reasons.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:18 am
396
Stevo Says:
To reiterate, I would suggest taking the 5th photo in that series( with the short cropped hair that clearly reveals the face), and place it side by side with the “standard” version of the same shot (with the long flowing hair partially obscuring the face). Try explaining to yourself how someone made the former out of the latter.
Most likely is that there is a separate original photo, from which those two were created. Or someone went from the short-hair version to the long-hair version. But since the hair obscures facial features, one could not have created the short-hair photo from the long-hair one.
IMO it shows that the long-hair was photoshopped into that photo, giving us an example of a McCann photo that DEFINITELY is fake.
Get the two photos and look again… I think you will see what I mean.
That’s the significance I see here — not the over-blown case-cracking significance Matt was being sarcastic about.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:07 am
822
Matt. Says:
811…Hideki
“PS…you seem to have “overlooked” Stevo’s reply to your repeated request for him to give his judgement on the pics you considered to be soooo important to the case. ”
Why do you use quote for overlooked? I had in fact been looking all through Stevo’s posts and had missed it. BTW I never said the pics were “important to the case” — this was your own sarcastic addition to our exchange.
I merely said that I think those 2 specific pictures were taken long ago, when Madeleine’s hair WAS very short, and so they are closest to the originals, as compared with the long-hair version of the same shot.
396
Stevo Says:
“I looked at those pictures of Madeleine with hair cropped
short - they came out months ago as did other similar
photos of Madeleine with what-if? type scenarios.
They were always poor quality attempts by someone trying
to make others visualise what Madeleine might look like
if her appearance had altered.”
I am not talking about a group of photos — I was discussing exactly two photos, especially one in particular.
“I think Matt already alluded to this. Basically, they’re old and irrelevant.”
Matt may have been alluding to a previous discussion, I’m sure. But I am specifically asking about the one picture with Madeleine in red dress (the 5th of that series). The girl may not have even turned 3 years old in that photo.
The “standard” version of that shot has Madeleine with long hair. So tell me how someone altered the long-hair photo into the short-hair photo. I say it is highly unlikely. So either both photos were altered, or only the long-hair one was. If both photos were altered, the short-hair version is the one closest to the original.
Matt: “Sort of supports my view of how unimportant and insignificant they were.”
It indicates to me that you were probably parroting some stuff other people said on this FORUM. You could not give your own idea of why I am wrong, and so far neither has Stevo.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:05 am
Ta Peter o…….exiting old thread.
December 13th, 2007 at 7:02 am
New thread…
December 13th, 2007 at 6:56 am
817
Cheryl Says:
“Paedophiles act on their own most times - they dont need invitations to take a child. Paedophiles don’t look like you would picture one to look - creepy or show signs of being attracted to young children - - they come from all walks of life - businessmen to clergy to low lifes.”
This may be so, but Team McCann has INSISTED that this abductor.paedophile did NOT act on his own. They say it was planned, and Metodo3 has completely adopted the Team McCann position.
Team McCann/Metodo3 have, IOW, claimed that Madeleine was transferred from one person to another. Again, it is a MYSTERY how they could know this, but that is what they allege. Metodo3 has even claimed that one of its “sightings” supports this.
The Team McCann Paedophile Abduction Theory DOES fit perfectly with the idea that Madeleine’s body is being transferred from one place to another, by various people.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:50 am
811…Hideki
PS…you seem to have “overlooked” Stevo’s reply to your repeated request
for him to give his judgement on the pics you considered to be soooo
important to the case.
396
Stevo Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
HIdeki
I looked at those pictures of Madeleine with hair cropped
short - they came out months ago as did other similar
photos of Madeleine with what-if? type scenarios.
They were always poor quality attempts by someone trying
to make others visualise what Madeleine might look like
if her appearance had altered. I think Matt already
alluded to this. Basically, they’re old and irrelevant.
Sort of supports my view of how unimportant and
insignificant they were.
December 13th, 2007 at 6:46 am
818
hannasus Says:
“Hideki, I had not heard it postulated before that the body be preserved and found in Morocco. Rather brilliant plan what?”
This would be a ‘darkly brilliant’ plan. I tried to give the logical basis for the possibility of such a plan in Post 879 of a recent previous thread.
“I also wondered some time ago if the PJ had not come upon the body. But surely if they had, they would not risk losing it again and surely it would be completely unethical for them not to inform the grieving parents of their daughters demise?”
True, I think so too, so if the police did plant a tracking device on the body, it would IMO mean that they are sure the parents are not grieving and that there is a plan to preserve and transport the body. They could have learned of such a plan by communications surveillance — either directly on T9 or possibly surveillance on other people that had been in progress from before. For example, if someone was asked to help (paedophile or drug trafficker, etc) and this person was already under surveillance, the police could learn of the plan from him in communications with others he confides in.
Also, you are right that it would be quite a risk for the police to take in losing the body. But they could mitigate this risk by taking fairly extensive samples from the body before putting it back with the inserted electronic device. Still, for them to do such a thing would mean that they want to learn much more about some criminal network.
I know it seems farfetched to think the police have known all along where the body is, but I also find it somewhat farfetched that the police did not put the McCanns under immediate tight surveillance on May 4 at the latest. Did the police bungle with this, and was it really political interference that caused them to let the McCanns return to England? Or is all of this a ruse so that the people in the network under surveillance have no idea they are being watched?
I was amazed that the T9 brazenly met together like that. I feel Team McCann must be quite desperate about something, intimidating the T9. Clarence previously BRAGGED that the T9 have one lawyer, and “speak with one voice”. Recently he bragged that they are showing “solidarity”. This is nothing less than admitting that there is a “pact”, as the Portuguese allege. It’s difficult to digest, isn’t it?
December 13th, 2007 at 6:21 am
To the McCanns legal team,
So now apparently any photos the PJ have may not been permissible due to possible manipulation.
Your clients are the ones who would know about that.
I appreciate the fact that this will be a good chance to prove your brilliance at getting this couple off scott free, but with every ounce of intention I possess, I personally wish for utter failure and that this failure will be a huge blow for your current upstanding reputation.
Your kids must be proud to know the types of people you defend.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:55 am
The same source goes further: ” The manipulation of digital photos is the easiest thing in the world and the software can be obtained for free in the Internet. The courts have not technical means to verify if a digital photo is real or not. It is obvious that if the photo shows a true place or a situation in principle it will be real. But there is not one 100% truth and several lawyers already pointed that out to the courts leaving the judges without knowing what to do. For the time being those proves have been eliminated and the judges took their decisions based in the conviction they formed during the trial. But eventually it might occur cases where those proves are fundamental to incriminate a defendant. This is a new situation and someone has to take measures”.
An expert in computers of the PJ said that “the manipulation of the digital photos is easier that the traditional photos”. According to this specialist that asked to remain anonymous, in the traditional photos there is always the film and therefore is easy to understand if it was altered. Nonetheless even in these cases, he says ” doubts can occur if the negative of the film is manipulated and again photographed, originating another negative of the film”.
Antonio Cluny, President of the Public Prosecutors Union said he did not had knowledge of any case where the digital photos were doubted but he admitted its manipulation ” although he is not a specialist in that area, it is easier than in the traditional photos”. Also António Marinho Pinto, President of the Bar Association, said that he does not know of any case where digital photos were questioned but he recognized that “is a pertinent question”.
December 13th, 2007 at 5:52 am
Good morning all.
Went to bed early last night not able to stomach any more banal bantering posters.
Re-reading last nights posting reminded me of what Anorak used to be at one point.
Good to see it can return to enquiry, questions and leave the chit chat out.
Hideki, I had not heard it postulated before that the body be preserved and found in Morocco. Rather brilliant plan what?
I also wondered some time ago if the PJ had not come upon the body. But surely if they had, they would not risk losing it again and surely it would be completely unethical for them not to inform the grieving parents of their daughters demise?
December 13th, 2007 at 5:32 am
814
Hideki Says:
December 13th, 2007 at 4:40 am
What kind of people would sell their daughter, or rent her out to paedophiles? This is a general question and does not refer to any specific person.
____________
REPLY: Low lifes do the above. Every so often one comes across a case of the above and it is sickening. This one mother actually permitted her new husband to sexually abuse her daughter for fear he’d leave her - then when she got out of jail (he got longer time) she actually wanted to visit her daughter and explain to her and ask her forgiveness! Needless to say the daughter (who had been adopted by a very nice family) wasn’t amendable to that.
________________
Paedophilia is such a taboo subject that perhaps we cannot know what the “going rates” are for such nefarious and horrifying practices. But I am sure that special police units do know.
REPLY: Paedophiles act on their own most times - they dont need invitations to take a child. Paedophiles don’t look like you would picture one to look - creepy or show signs of being attracted to young children - - they come from all walks of life - businessmen to clergy to low lifes.
________________
I’d have to suspect that just as there are some billionaires who keep mistresses, so their are some who keep “little princesses”. The latter world is the one that Madeleine descended into, according to the McCanns. How on earth did they know this? I challenged them to explain why they KNOW a predator/paedophile took Madeleine, but they have not come forth with an answer. So I guess we will just have to wonder about that. It is a mystery.
REPLY: If she was in fact abducted odds are more it was by a paedophile (their usual mo - abuct and sexually abuse and keep for sexual abuse or kill when done) more than by someone desperate for a child. When a paedophile abducts a child the first hours are crucial in finding that child to get it back alive. Yet, we had a man go to trial the other month (sentenced to life) who had aducted a young boy from a bus stop the other year and when he was tracked down and police broke into his apartment a week or so later they actually found another boy there also he had abducted 4 years prior and held him captive for sexual abuse. We have had other cases of children or young teens abducted and found alive years later. One has to give police credit where credit is due, a case may die down and be off the news or out of the papers, forgotten after awhile, but good police don’t just put the case away and forget it. Look at the case in the UK recently the police after all these many years found those two young girls’ bodies.
Also, does someone have a link to those references about spinal fluid?
December 13th, 2007 at 4:40 am
What kind of people would sell their daughter, or rent her out to paedophiles? This is a general question and does not refer to any specific person.
Paedophilia is such a taboo subject that perhaps we cannot know what the “going rates” are for such nefarious and horrifying practices. But I am sure that special police units do know.
I’d have to suspect that just as there are some billionaires who keep mistresses, so their are some who keep “little princesses”. The latter world is the one that Madeleine descended into, according to the McCanns. How on earth did they know this? I challenged them to explain why they KNOW a predator/paedophile took Madeleine, but they have not come forth with an answer. So I guess we will just have to wonder about that. It is a mystery.
Also, does someone have a link to those references about spinal fluid?
December 13th, 2007 at 4:30 am
810
Cheryl Says:
“This is not directed at you personally but the ‘having to be in camps’ either anti or pro-McCann puzzles me. Aren’t we all after the same goal? ”
Convict the McCanns and have them receive the maximum sentence. That is my goal. Same as yours?
“Find out what happened to cause the child’s disappearance..”
This can be done while the McCanns are sitting in jail for child neglect. No big hurry.
” and also find the child?”
Do you think they will confess where the body has been hidden?
” Yes, some are dead set in their beliefs the parents caused directly her disappearance”
Child neglect led directly to it, unless they are lying about the last time they saw her.
“some are dead set in their beliefs the parents didn’t cause her disappearance directly (not counting the Neglect on their part)”
NOT COUNTING NEGLECT? That makes no sense! The child neglect is the bedrock of the case.
“and some are willing to wait unti the true Facts are in before judging the parents.”
Like I said, throw them in jail for the maximum 10 years, for child abandonment and endangerment. Maybe a couple more years for perverting justice and violating the secrecy law. I have calculated that Gerry could be in for 12, and Kate for 14.
Meanwhile, I do agree that the investigation should continue gathering up more “true facts” so that hopefully neither of them ever gets out of prison. JMO.
December 13th, 2007 at 4:07 am
781
Portia Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
This link has still shots of the McCanns taken from an interview. The question posed is written on each still shot as it is asked. Made me wonder what was so funny about hearing that their daughter was alive. Of course, they could be thinking about all the money that is generated by “a sighting.”
http://picasaweb.google.com/svsport/Sociopaths/photo#5100731972930637010
***
Chilling!
When those eyes flit to the corners in each other’s directions. When they both act like they’re about to laugh if they don’t keep their faces straight. Kate seems to almost force herself back to her focus point so that the won’t break form.
December 13th, 2007 at 4:03 am
Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:49 am
809
Hideki Says:
December 13th, 2007 at 3:20 am
543
Peter O Says:
529 Postman Pat Says:
“Peter O I see that you have a cyber stalker Hideki, I wish you luck and plenty of ammo to fire back.”
So IOW my comments were just my impressions of Matt’s posts to me on this thread. My comments concerning PeterO are based on reading quite a lot of his posts. However, as PeterO has correctly pointed out, no one knows who anyone is here, and I certainly cannot prove that he is a Team McCann player. Even the most conspicuous and loudest of McScam supporters may not be Team McCann members.
Even I could be a Team McCann plant, expressing my subversive view that the McCanns should be imprisoned for at least 14 years, only because the public expression of this view benefits Clarence Mitchell, who I also think could spend some time in jail for perverting justice.
_____________
REPLY: This is not directed at you personally but the ‘having to be in camps’ either anti or pro-McCann puzzles me. Aren’t we all after the same goal? Find out what happened to cause the child’s disappearance and also find the child? Yes, some are dead set in their beliefs the parents caused directly her disappearance; some are dead set in their beliefs the parents didn’t cause her disappearance directly (not counting the Neglect on their part); and some are willing to wait unti the true Facts are in before judging the parents.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:20 am
543
Peter O Says:
529 Postman Pat Says:
“Peter O I see that you have a cyber stalker Hideki, I wish you luck and plenty of ammo to fire back.”
Peter: “I think that’s slightly unfair. Hideki and I disagree a lot, that’s all.”
Also Mods and Admin comments in post 562, urging/demanding Postman Pat to stop stirring the pot. Obviously, PP has failed to create any animosity between me and PeterO or anyone else.
Also related is 407 and 426 exchange between Stevo and Chenier. In my own post, I did not mean to suggest that Chenier had said Matt is giving Clarence “an easy ride” — I merely meant to use her way of saying pro-McScum, ie. “giving Clarence an easy ride, perhaps unintentionally”, as my way of telling Matt what I thought about his recent posts.
My prior exchange with Chenier was a couple of days ago, when she told several lies about my posting, including the outrageous lie that I had called her a “paid paedophile”. Chenier attacked me relentlessly — I’m not sure why. I guess I must have said something mean about the McCanns.
My comments tosay were directed at Matt, who had been mindlessly repeating what the McCanns said about two suspicious photos — I certainly was not commenting on the whole of Matt’s posts, many of which I do not read.
So IOW my comments were just my impressions of Matt’s posts to me on this thread. My comments concerning PeterO are based on reading quite a lot of his posts. However, as PeterO has correctly pointed out, no one knows who anyone is here, and I certainly cannot prove that he is a Team McCann player. Even the most conspicuous and loudest of McScam supporters may not be Team McCann members.
Even I could be a Team McCann plant, expressing my subversive view that the McCanns should be imprisoned for at least 14 years, only because the public expression of this view benefits Clarence Mitchell, who I also think could spend some time in jail for perverting justice.
December 13th, 2007 at 3:18 am
Yeah… we got the sodium pentothal into all the mineral water at Rothley Court, but we were relying on a scab writer, so Payne got thirsty, and when Clarence kicked off the discussion with ‘OK, so which of you guys are trying to change their statements and wearing a wire?’, Payne, who’d got really thirsty rushing to the summit after his briefing in the London office, just volunteered the damned truth, and we had to start over again.
…And then we heard that five of the six other couples who happened to be staying at the hotel have since started divorce proceedings, and the management have been charged with money laundering, tax evasion and keeping a disorderly house, as they say in England, since they filed their tax returns that day.
December 13th, 2007 at 2:48 am
348
Gillyflower Says:
317 Hideki
“I don’t think they could achieve that without a great deal of assistance / inside knowledge. The thought that they may be involved in something like that is too horrible to contemplate.”
You have correctly indicated what they need, but there is more distinction betweeen these elements. They DO require a great deal of inside knowlege about paedophiles, but they DO NOT require any assistance from paedophiles.
Team McCann quite obviously has a powerful organization backing it up, as indicated by the 3 billionaires supporting it. This kind of financial backing means that “assistance” is readily available.
But though they may have a great deal of assistance, there is no need for those providing it to know what is going on. The reason is simple: the body is presumably preserved, sealed and locked in a container. Anyone who is now holding it or transporting it need not know what it contains. IMO the most likely network to be used for this kind of assistance would be a drug trafficking network, with people assuming that the sealed case contains drugs.
Meanwhile the drive to Huelva encouraged people to think that the body was dissolved in an acid lake.
However, preservative chemicals were found at the disused barn. (and the body had been said to have been refrigerated). This shows that an effort is being made to PRESERVE the body.
That way, when it is discovered by Metodo3, Team McCann will claim that the girl died only a short while ago (comparatively) and had been held captive there. The bogus sightings in the area will be used to “confirm” this.
Someone had been paying people to report sightings, and it will not be difficult for them to pay for someone to claim that they saw the girl many times, heard her name being used, etc. Then when they inspect the property, voila!, they find the body.
“The M3 may have been appointed for their contacts - don’t they specialise in money laundering - ”
Metodo3 has merely be re-churning old sightings, and attempting to coax people to make new ones. It will be easy for them to suddenly hone in on one specific area if they receive a detailed and extensive sighting, for example saying that the girl was seen there every day during a week in November, her name was heard, etc but this person did not think to tell anyone until now, etc etc.
“but I honestly think that with the dna, barn, mobile phone etc - they’ve left it too late for that avenue of escape.”
IMO, a fundamental contingency plan is to frame someone, a paedophile who would be reviled immediately. As you note, circumstances may make it impossible for them to carry it out.
But Team McCann appears to be quite brazen, so who knows?
Of course, if they are unlucky, the police may have discovered the body early on and inserted a tracking device. That would make things interesting…
December 13th, 2007 at 2:47 am
Maddie being adopted….maybe this is it and this is why Kate holds onto cuddle cat so much.
Someone just may have been watching and waiting..every opportunity was given though for someone to take Maddie. Or, maybe Maddie was adopted out, illegally, against Kate’s will, and this accounts for this situation. She may have wanted to say goodbye, instead, it was done so behind her back…..
December 13th, 2007 at 2:17 am
801
Murder Says:
—————
maybe jack will use the quiet time doing his time for DUI.
when he gets out he can then shoot over to rothley and do a bit of interrogating if the writers are still out
December 13th, 2007 at 2:13 am
753
Maria Says:
December 12th, 2007 at 10:56 pm
731 Tinsel
Are you in the US or UK?
As far as I can make out, most people in Rothley, and certainly all who know the McCanns, were very welcoming. Of course, not all were but I don’t think it was fear, honestly. There were reports (and we all know that these are often gutter-press garbage) that family and friends had wanted G and K to come home because they had to face life in Rothley without Madeleine some time. I suspect (because I know I’d feel like that) that K felt more that it was an ongoing investigation, more as if the child might come back, while she was in Portugal. Maybe it felt more like a temporary state of affairs. I remember how desperate she was for ages at the thought of coming home without Madeleine. Others felt for quite a while (including GM) that they ought to face up to life at home and begin establishing some sort of normality for the twins.
Also, they couldn’t live in Portugal without work for ever. They’d already had to dip into the fund for those two mortgage payments. It was quite legal to do that but not, I would guess, what GM and the directors would think ideal. That’s just my opinion and why I think they should pay them back to the fund as soon as possible.
__________
Maria, you, as I am, appear to be willing to wait for the real facts before judging the McCanns. TB’s remarks stayed in my mind re possibility of the child being adopted maybe even illegally. Then I recalled the controversy over what words Mrs. McCann said “They took Maddie.” The use of the plural “they”. I can tell you from knowing such feelings personally when you adopt a child one of the biggest fears you live with is someday they come to take that child back, whether they file court action to convince the courts they’ve changed or one or the other claims they didn’t know about the child and come to claim their ‘rights’ or they just steal the child away you love so dearly. We’ve had two highly publicized cases over here in the past 12 years or so that left I think every adoptive parent in fear and I also think was the reason now so many people from here who want a child to love and can’t have one go to other countries to adopt one. Both cases were based on the biological fathers saying they didn’t know they had a child and one little girl was given back by the Appeals Court in one state after being with her adoptive parents for 3 years and I don’t think there was a dry eye in the US when the TV showed live the taking of that child from the only parents she knew screaming and crying and reaching out for her mother as they drove away with her. Second, ditto for a 5 year old boy removed from the only parents he ever knew. Anyhow, the use of the word ‘they’ makes me wonder - another thing to the add to the pot of “what ifs.”
December 13th, 2007 at 2:12 am
801/murder
It would have shed a good light on Jack Bauer if you would have spoken in a favorable light as to The Writers Guild of America. But to attach him to Fox 5. Not good on his resume….
December 13th, 2007 at 2:06 am
801 /murder
You lost me when you quoted “fox 5″ as being anything worth talking about…Isn’t that owned by Murdoch?? it’s on the same level as sky news. I would not look to them as a source of informative info…”way overblown”..they do not even have any idea of ” self importance” They are just bottom feeders.
You had me when you stated BBC as your source..Now Fox 5..give me a break.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:53 am
Come on Rupert - or Jamie - you owe us…
December 13th, 2007 at 1:52 am
And on meeja again, and NewsCorp in particular: How is Jack Bauer on Fox able to undo complex global plots in 24 hours, while Martin Brunt on Sky remains literally clueless for 9 months?
Since Jack is currently on leave waiting for the Writers’ Guild of America to sort out their ludicrously overblown sense of self-importance (why doeasn’t he spend a few seconds sorting them out, so he can get on with saving their world?), I have this fantasy he could do a few minutes freelance work in Rothley.
I reckon he could get confessions from Gerry & Kate in a couple of minutes (Amaral is a wimp), and easily sort out Metodo 3 and Control Risks Group within one episode.
I mean, his pals in CTU would have sorted out all the triangulation stuff and linked it up with all he Echelon data in the first ten minutes while Jack was taking out the ex-SAS at Rothley Court, then he’d be airlifted by Harrier to deal with Metodo3 in the Rif Mountains after the first commercial break, then move on via Malta to Bosnia and get back to London for some final showdown toward the end of the hour.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:32 am
Meejician - I’m passing by late at night and noticed your response to my slightly erratic conclusions last night from an earlier reference to ‘your uni’.
Is your day job, then (pursued, perhaps, rather nocturnally), with some weekly publication… or in some other meejum?
Your reference to Lampeter (also has a ‘uni’) caused much comment. What was that about?
And do you think I’m crazy to think that the bizarre treatment of the Maddy story in the British mainstream meeja marks a sort of tipping-point (after the major upheaval that was meeja manipulation in the runup to the Iraq invasion), in perceptions of the operation of the mainstream meeja in various traditional audiences, and in the relations between the ‘old’ corporate meeja and newer channels, such as this one?
December 13th, 2007 at 1:20 am
Mods and admin tell me you are havin a laff unsubstantiated ,lets see what your boss man has to say about it, stirring maybe you would like to go back and have a look at Saturdays posts,or are you right and everybody else is wrong. I wonder if Paul would think that constant paedo comments and insults to other posters do anything for the image of the forum.
December 13th, 2007 at 1:18 am
796 Tinsel
Just noticed your comment on broccoli, it”s true!!!!!
Also, Glucosamine is very good for keeping joints supple, I”m a firm believer in Health
supplements and without seeming boastful do not look my age. Think this is more to do with
my young outlook on life, as my ex-boss told me last year.