Madeleine McCann: Blessed Are The Self-Righteous
MADELEINE McCann Watch: Says Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu:
“In the killing, raping and looting fields of Darfur; in the broken nation and a broken people of Zimbabwe who have been force-fed with injustice and can swallow no more; for the unreconciled children of Abraham in the Middle East - the Palestinians without a viable state they can call home and Israelis hungry for peace and security; for the refugees, the homeless and people caught up in human trafficking; in the walls of silence about the abduction of Madeleine McCann, the murder of Rhys Jones and the failure for any to take responsibility for the Omagh bombing - God is being violated and blasphemed.”
Dr Sentamu likes a slf-righteous gesture. Earlier in the month he cut up his dog collar on television to demonstrate his solidarity with people suffering in Zimbabwe. Indeed…
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Jimmy Jubes has a saying on his radio show and now on his web site. “Blessed are the self-righteous for they shall inherit the gripes”.
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December 26th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
99 Daisy
Do you really think that lying liars cannot keep a lie going for 9 months?
Especially lying liars facing, perhaps, life or significant time in prison? Or the ruination of their careers, the surrenduring of their “loovely houses,” the loss of their surviving children, the ignominy of being a neglectful, or quite possibly homicidal parent?
A 9-month lie is nothing for such lying liars and the people who love them and lie for them.
And they will lie for the rest of their lives if they have to. In fact, it’s common for such self-servers to actually convince themselves that they are, in fact, telling the truth (on some level not grasped by those who don’t benefit from the lie).
It’s a different world, that of the lying liars.
December 26th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
6 Judith C
NO Madeleine. But soooooooo many new telephone “tips” to investigate.
Yes, Metodo is ON the Case!
Wot rot.
December 26th, 2007 at 10:05 am
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Hideki Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 9:47 am
Just in case you have not seen it, there is a new thread.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:47 am
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Ferdinand Says:
“and there were NO CHARGES, (although it was obviously a more severe case of neclect than the tapas case).”
That kid was 8 years old. The OLDEST Tapas kid was Madeleine, not yet 4 years old. There was a 10 month old, and an 18 month old too…
Leaving an 8 year old kid is “more severe” than leaving infants and toddlers?
Brilliant, Ferdinand, you must be a logician or a lawyer! Wow, I’m impressed.
“If you are happy with this outcome (as I am), why do you want charges in the McCann case?”
Court cases take account of consequences, and they take account of parental intention, lack of remorse, etc. Plus it was infants and toddlers. That’s why the McCanns should be jailed for the maximum 10 years, for child endangerment. Others in the Tapas9 also deserve prison sentences for their unpardonable child neglect.
Stop advocating non-enforcement of child neglect, Ferdinand. Why do you think in Portugal the MINIMUM sentence for child endangerment is 3 years? Is that so that people will freely neglect their children as you are advocating? When in Rome, obey Rome’s laws, so to speak.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:18 am
108 ferdinand
“there were NO CHARGES, (although it was obviously a more severe case of neclect than the tapas case).”
so it’s a more “severe case” if the child lives? ha ha ha ha
i like your sense of humour - great start to boxing day
great fun you mccconns are…
excellent sport, mcconn-baiting - you lot are really desperate
wonderful to watch
December 26th, 2007 at 8:35 am
“61 Tony Bennett Says:
See also Karen’s useful post - Post 52 - where she explains how the existing law worked in a Scottish case.
52 Karen Says:
I don’t know what the actual law is. But in our street (I’m in Scotland) there was a boy who was left every evening on his own while his parents worked late. He was 8 and the police came and took him away to relatives, the social workers were called in and the parents were forced to hire a babysitter or they would be charged. So, it worked.”
Well Tony, so the parents have shown some insight, the child has finally got a babysitter, and there were NO CHARGES, (although it was obviously a more severe case of neclect than the tapas case). If you are happy with this outcome (as I am), why do you want charges in the McCann case?
December 26th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Mods and Admin
Thanks for that info. Will keep that in mind for the future.
December 26th, 2007 at 7:46 am
Tony / Stevo:
I had a look at http://www.truthformadeleine.com website and found a couple of interesting things after reviewing some of the information displayed on that site:
Although it appears that the “Baby Grace” case is solved, I would like to make following remarks.
1. White/Pink Trainers (Baby Grace case) are NOT the same as Maddie’s:
The website makes a comparison with shoes that Maddie was wearing in one of the photos of the playground (resort) and the ones in the Baby Grace case, and describes them as “strikingly similar” (fair comment),
http://www.truthformadeleine.com/babygrace.htm
BUT, please have a look at the YouTube video of Maddie “keep hoping, keep praying, keep searching”, at about the half way mark (2:09 min), Maddie is dressed up as a pumpkin and she is wearing white and pink trainers “strikingly similar” to the one she is wearing in the playground photo. To me, they actually look like the SAME shoes. If I’m correct, the suggestions on Truthformadeleine are inaccurate and in my opinion, should be rectified/deleted as they are misleading and fuel speculation. Both trainer types have different fastening system and different ornaments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID2ZNxs-B2k
2. Trip to Huelva by the McCanns on August 3, 2007:
Allegedly Gerry said: “It is exactly 3 months since Madeleine was abducted. Kate and I had an early start as we drove to Huelva, 50Km over the border from Portugal in Southern Spain.”
The Truthformadeleine website disputes this distance of “50Km”, because the distance between Praia da Luz and Helva is 190 Km (fair remark). BUT, if you look at the link below, the map shows the border between Portugal and Spain and the reference scale for distance, would suggest that Huelva is about 50km from the border, i.e. “over the border” , which is how I read Gerry’s comment about the trip: 50 km from the border itself.
http://www.atlapedia.com/online/maps/political/Spain_etc.htm
3. Lack of photographs of Maddie at the Resort:
Could it be that other photographs taken of Maddie in the first few days in May are in possession of the police, because there could be certain people in the background that are of “interest” to them and don’t want to alert these individuals by showing those photos to the World? Food for thought.
4. Photo of Maddie around the pool (A, B & C) - “The Last Photo”
http://www.truthformadeleine.com/thelastphoto.htm
I could go on and on about “shadow casting” as I have some knowledge about it, but in my opinion, photo A is real. The edge (coving) of the pool is circular, therefore, Maddie is sitting in the proper angle for that side of the photo. When Maddie was “pasted” on the other side of Gerry (photo C), her body angle with respect to the edge of the pool is totally mis-aligned.
Remarks are made about who is she smiling at in that direction, if the photo was taken from across the pool or from inside the pool. Could she be smiling at someone who maybe smiled at her, or at an inflatable pool toy, like a big duck, for example?
Comments about Maddie what she is wearing and that she is not wet, but completely dry: She is wearing a top and shorts and no swimming costume. Could it be that she was ready to be taken to the child minding place, after having been playing at the playground, quickly putting the feet in the water for a while and continue on?
Gerry’s legs don’t show a shadow because they are illuminated from underneath due to reflection of sunlight on the water. More is not visible on the photo. His legs (knees) protrude quite a bit past the coving and would only cast a shadow well below the water surface.
My point in making these comments is to pin-point that some information about this case is not always the way some people see it and speculate about, but there are/could be other valid explanations for certain things.
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Daisy
Found this post in the ‘moderation’ folder.
Please note for future reference - if you include more than one link in your post, the ’spam’ filters on the site will automatically block your comment from appearing (DuncanR)
December 26th, 2007 at 5:47 am
Tony, do you totally discount the possibility the child was taken and they may suspect by who and afraid to say and/or actually hoped to get her back from whoever by using that whatever one wishes to call it Group?
This is another piece of the puzzle missing - if this was all a cover-up why would they spend so much money on such a whatever ones wishes to call it Group to find her?
What is happening, Tony, to me at least, there has been so much put on here that truthfully is too far fetched in theories or scenarios, at least to me it appears to be that way, that one can’t focus on analyzing really valid points on how, where and why it may have alledgedly happened the way many think it did. Embalming - give me a break! In refrigerator - give me a break! In boot of car 25 days later - give me a break!
If we all didn’t have so many different time zones, and could work in unison with no infighting and have what is similar to a strategy forum with a ‘leader, chairman’ or whatever’ (you or someone else) to keep focus on the issue(s) we could take it item one by one and sort it out. But not ad infinitum on each issue - time limit set with viewpoints/thoughts heard and noted.
I have to go to work tomorrow and if not too hectic I’ll go into the Library and research various States’ laws re Children.
December 26th, 2007 at 3:54 am
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K.Keesha Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 3:49 am
Cheryl and Daisy
I am also reluctant to jump right or left,
and yes it is nicer here when it is quieter…
Am off now to an afternoon pool party in 41 celcius degree heat …such is life on Boxing Day in Australia.
A New Year’s Resolution for myself and other Anorak readers
..”Don’t Get Sucked in by the Media Spin..”…
Bye for now
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Well said!
( By the way, I have 37 degrees here, but I’m air-conditioned . Have fun … see you later!)
December 26th, 2007 at 3:51 am
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Cheryl Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 3:41 am
It is 1:40 pm here and it is a very beautiful country. There is something for everybody here. But the best is that where I am (north-east coast), the weather is just devine all year round.
I do find it difficult to follow certain conversations when the place is very busy, mainly because I have to go back several pages and pick up from where I left the day before. At the moment I have some weeks vacation, therefore it is easier (have more time), but when I go back to work, I will be lost again. But this case has become somewhat of an addiction and will continue to read/post.
December 26th, 2007 at 3:49 am
Cheryl and Daisy
I am also reluctant to jump right or left,
and yes it is nicer here when it is quieter…
Am off now to an afternoon pool party in 41 celcius degree heat …such is life on Boxing Day in Australia.
A New Year’s Resolution for myself and other Anorak readers
..”Don’t Get Sucked in by the Media Spin..”…
Bye for now
December 26th, 2007 at 3:41 am
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Daisy Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 3:18 am
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Cheryl Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 3:09 am
Cheryl, I’m with you on this. I have thought over and over again about biological mother/father (adoption/surrogate/donor) possibility and also the fact that I find it almost impossible for 9 people to keep lying after so many months. Even read about a forensic/police guy who does not believe they could be covering up something for so long.
There is something “fishy” about the whole thing, but I don’t think it is what everybody is speculating about. I still see abduction as the most likely scenario
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REPLY: Tony, put that ’seed’ into my mind about the talk around of maybe irregularities re getting or having Maddie and at first I scoffed at it and then it hit me…just maybe …so I started taking it step by step in my mind…
TONY - YOU STILL UP OVER THERE?
Reason I’m trying to see if he is up is last night he mentioned to me about the Scottish Mafia and expressed concern about them. It is easier to talk with him one on one than with a lot of other posters on the board, Daisy. Do you find it easier also with less on? I get lost many times following all the many theories thrown out at one time.
Hey it is all most noon in Australia, isn’t it? I’ve always wanted to go there, Daisy, now for many years. So many friends have gone there and raved about it to me.
You like it a lot?
December 26th, 2007 at 3:36 am
Daisy
Yes, I agree ………..There is someone calling the shots and it is not them…………
December 26th, 2007 at 3:18 am
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Cheryl Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 3:09 am
Cheryl, I’m with you on this. I have thought over and over again about biological mother/father (adoption/surrogate/donor) possibility and also the fact that I find it almost impossible for 9 people to keep lying after so many months. Even read about a forensic/police guy who does not believe they could be covering up something for so long.
There is something “fishy” about the whole thing, but I don’t think it is what everybody is speculating about. I still see abduction as the most likely scenario.
December 26th, 2007 at 3:17 am
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RedRooster Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 12:42 am
51 cheryl
are you have a laff or are you not from that neck of the woods?
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REPLY: Don’t follow you - what is a laff?
December 26th, 2007 at 3:15 am
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RedRooster Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 12:38 am
47 cheryl.
i assume your in the states.
if that is the case then you should know all about corruption, conspiracy etc
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REPLY: You can bet on that one, Red Rooster!
December 26th, 2007 at 3:09 am
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K.Keesha Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 1:59 am
(…. Sorry, pressed the wrong key!!!) I continue below:
… but the TRUE clues. There is so much speculation about forged photos, two “maddies”, etc. which I cannot see when I look at all the images.
I just hope the the truth will come out one day and that Maddie gets justice.
December 26th, 2007 at 3:09 am
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Tony Bennett Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 12:15 am
31 Cheryl “Tony, do you think they’d be so arrogant or stupid enough to *iss off the Portugese police by making those statements above if they were guilty?”
REPLY: Yes.
Arrogant enough.
And stupid enough.
They invited the nation to pray to God against the incompetence and corruption of the Portuguese police. They publicised these prayers openly on their website earlier this month.
Cheryl, forgive me, I do understand your reluctance - and that of others - to believe that the McCanns (and the other members of the ‘Tapas 9′) could be capable of such a wicked and sustained campaign of deception. I can also understand why you and others may think McCann-sceptics like myself are insensitive, vindictive etc.
IMO we are dealing with two supremely overconfident people here, and, should they fall, their fall will be as swift and devastating as that which befell Judas.
This thought has just sprung to mind.
“Forgive them, for they know not what they do”.
Or do they?
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REPLY: T0ny, honest it is not that I’m reluctant to but I don’t know how to explain it to you …I just can’t get all the pieces to fit together in the puzzle to give a yes they did or no they didn’t within myself or on here.
Do you understand where I find it hard to believe that 9 people can all keep a horrible secret for 7 months and not even one of them decides to protect themselves and go make a deal with the authorities? You know the instinct for self-preservation is powerful, Tony. Some of the others have children or one does? Tony, that is also a factor in why I think someone (namely those with children) would have broken down by now and gone to the authorities to protect themselves from charges.
Did you read my posting on here several weeks ago about the ‘maybe’ illegal adoption being a factor? (You had brought that up in one posting and it stuck in my mind, Tony, and I played the scenario in my mind if it could happen). Let’s say if there was such an adoption that wasn’t totally above-board or an agreement was made with the birth parent and they started asking for the child back or making threats to take the child. Now, that would make sense to me for another explanation of the ‘they took Maddie’ by Kate Mccann.
Do you understand why I am reluctant now to jump right or left and prefer to stay in the middle? There are so many other pieces missing that I think we have to have them to finish the puzzle.
Also, Tony, it is so difficult to believe that between those 9 people none would have a conscience when it comes to the disappearance of a child if they know how and why. I know many people don’t have a conscience and are amoral. It isn’t because they are medical doctors, Tony, trust me. I could give you cases of doctors killing their spouses so I’m not naive about that. In fact years ago over here a Dentist gave his children poisoned candy at Halloween.
December 26th, 2007 at 3:05 am
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K.Keesha Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 1:59 am
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I tend to agree with you. There is, in my opinion, someone calling the shots, which is not them. That’s why I think that there’s something much bigger behind this disappearance.
I have watched videos, loook at the photos, etc. over and over again. To me, they are in pain. I see Kate in pain (she would have to be a very good actress to hold on to this charade [if it is a charade] for so long without exploding after 8 months!). Also, much has been said about how she does not look at the camera and the eyes move all over the place. I do the same! I am somewhat shy and hate attention (camera) and therefore am very uncomfortable in such a situation. I do not look at a camera. This doesn’t mean that I’m lying, just not comfortable. I read recently a piece where Kate admits to be a private person and hates all this attention.
Gerry seems to be more controlled and able to speak in public with more ease, and again, I have read that he has experience, through his work, in public speaking.
I sounds as if I am defending them, but I’m just “observing” what is going on and looking for clues (like all), but the TRUE
December 26th, 2007 at 1:59 am
Daisy, thanks for your reply,
as to what I think, I am undecided as to who did “it”, namely, the disappearance of Madeleine. Here is what i find most revealing, not what people say, but what they do. So I put aside what is read in the media, “friends said..” blah blah ” sources close to said..” blah blah ….followed by soaring viewer and newspaper sales…and look at actual footage ie: The interviews, the statements on Youtube, Panorama, etc and what I see is a couple who appear as puppets with someone pulling the strings, telling them what to say and what do. For example, kiss the Pope’s ring for worldwide broadcast . What The??? (As Rove would say !!)..This incident to me is one of many where the Mccanns are clearly being told what to do and say, and therefore, this explains their bizarre and unnatural behaviour.
The question for me Daisy, is who is manipulating those strings and why??
December 26th, 2007 at 1:54 am
Interesting info. And McCann is not an unusual surname.
December 26th, 2007 at 1:46 am
44 Judith C
Actually, there are quite a number of McCann families in Liverpool. This online directory lists 10 pages of them for a total of 100 listings (the first two have different spellings, but the rest seem to be the same surname as Kate and Gerry’s). It could be very well a coincidence that the owner of the Ocean Club apartment 5A that Kate and Gerry’s family stayed in has the same last name.
http://tinyurl.com/2ha5j8
December 26th, 2007 at 1:37 am
5,
Pepe,
George Burke, from Liverpool
was driving home from nearby Lagos…………
http://tinyurl.com/3xulqy
December 26th, 2007 at 1:36 am
Judith C
But they found him alone, aged 8, with no one in the house. If you don’t think that’s a crime then you should say so.
December 26th, 2007 at 1:36 am
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K.Keesha Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 1:17 am
Hi Daisy,
I’m also from Aus so tend to be here when the northern hemisphere is in bed,
What do you make of this question: re: cadaver scent
Cadaver scent on Kate’s clothes but not on Gerry’s. (allegedly) How come?
I often wonder if what we read is deliberate dis-information or mis- information…..to plant suspicion ..
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G.Day!!!! Good to see another “Aussie” here. I don’t know what to make of a lot of what has been reported in the Media. Historically, not everything that the Media writes/shows is always correct or complete. They change their stories (slightly?) to suit the heading, selling targets, etc.
Apparently, there were questions as to how the sniffer dogs where handled/manipulated. Also, Kate aledgedly said that, being a doctor, she had handled several bodies ( I believe she said 6) the week before. But on the other hand, I also read that when clothes get washed, there is “minimal” chance of the cadaver smell still being impregnated in clothes. My point here is …. “minimal”, which implies that it is “possible but unlikely”.
We are dealing with a lot of “here-say”, in my opinion, when it comes to “what everybody said and when”, time-frames, etc. (I, as a normal individual, don’t always look at my watch when I’m doing something in particular. I certainly don’t always know “exactly” at what time I saw something.) To me, all these reported times of what happened is not totally trustworthy, as I believe it is not totally accurate. Do you get my point?
The more I read/learn about this case, the more confused I am. I tend to believe that there is a cover-up/conspiracy of some sort, but not related to the actual disappearance itself, but something bigger, involving serious stuff of a political/government/police nature.
What do you think?
December 26th, 2007 at 1:33 am
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Karen Says:
December 26th, 2007 at 1:29 am
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We have to agree to disagree then because I think there are way too many laws already in every area of life and if police can act on the say so of a neighbour and simply take a child awayfrom its home in Renfrewshire, then I’m glad I’m not there.
December 26th, 2007 at 1:29 am
Judith C
The police took him away. They wouldn’t have the right to do that if there wasn’t some Renfrewshire law that let them. At least there must be a legal consensus that a child being left alone is bad.
Also, if the social workers are brought in, that’s actually worse than having clear laws because they can make decisions behind closed doors based without guilt being proved in a trial.
Clear laws are good - they stop everyone sitting around trying to work out if what their doing is illegal or not.
December 26th, 2007 at 1:17 am
Hi Daisy,
I’m also from Aus so tend to be here when the northern hemisphere is in bed,
What do you make of this question: re: cadaver scent
Cadaver scent on Kate’s clothes but not on Gerry’s. (allegedly) How come?
I often wonder if what we read is deliberate dis-information or mis- information…..to plant suspicion ..