Suspect my views on ‘forced marriages’ coincide with yours!

My point was that while Carmen, I, and probably many others reading your post could ‘infer’ that you actually meant ‘girls forced into marriage with a man not of their choice’, there are many reading comments posted to these Forums for whom English is not their mother tongue. The phrase ‘arranged marriages’ could therefore have misled them. (One could reasonably argue that ‘arranged marriages’ have existed in UK amongst the royal family and the aristocracy for generations!).

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OK Duncan, I will concede to your point.

Legally, there is nothing to prevent an arranged marriage in the UK. I should have been clearer in my original post that I was referring to marriages where there is any form of coercion, physical, mental or financial abuse/pressure applied to any of the parties to the arrangement in order to get them to comply with said arrangement .

January 13th, 2008 at 11:44 am
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THNAK YOU,Duncan.English isnt my mother tongue and I am very aware that I misundertand comments at time…..

Suspect my views on ‘forced marriages’ coincide with yours!

My point was that while Carmen, I, and probably many others reading your post could ‘infer’ that you actually meant ‘girls forced into marriage with a man not of their choice’, there are many reading comments posted to these Forums for whom English is not their mother tongue. The phrase ‘arranged marriages’ could therefore have misled them. (One could reasonably argue that ‘arranged marriages’ have existed in UK amongst the royal family and the aristocracy for generations!).

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Duncan and among dog breeders too….

Rabbiting about split hairs is what Anorak is all about.

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Indeedy… and I don’t like the way this one is being split.

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Hardly ’splitting hairs’ to correct a factual error in a post!

As Carmen made clear ‘arranged’ marriages are NOT illegal in UK.

If you meant ‘forced’ marriages, then that is what you should have said. (Sloppy use of language can easily lead to misunderstanding)

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Duncan.. you’re splitting hairs too. I have first hand experience of what can happen in “arranged” marriages. If you and others want to hide behind that euphemism please be my guest.

January 13th, 2008 at 10:46 am
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Ferdinand,I know you have a theory/hypothesis (which is not far from what I think)If what you think is correct,then,if the Mccanns were involved in something bigger than we all think,dont you think it was absolutely,completely irresponsible to leave the children unattended while anything,like an abduction,could happen?

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Hardly ’splitting hairs’ to correct a factual error in a post!

As Carmen made clear ‘arranged’ marriages are NOT illegal in UK.

If you meant ‘forced’ marriages, then that is what you should have said. (Sloppy use of language can easily lead to misunderstanding)

“Er, the PJ are doing “nothing” as you so quaintly put it right here and now. i.e. They are not charging anyone because they are still investigating. Whether the McCann’s, or anyone else, chooses to bide their time either here in the UK or in Portugal is actually irrelevant to PJ’s investigation surely?”

Absolutely right. So the whole “They should return/They would return” discussion is just soap opera.

“They left after they were made arguidos.”

They were made arguidos before they left Portugal.

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“Er, why?”

Because what would the police do in this case? Obviously nothing. (Or what should they do?)

But how would that be perceived in public?

So if they returned now, neither side would gain anything (apart from the tabloids of course). Things will be different of course once the secrecy is lifted.

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Er, the PJ are doing “nothing” as you so quaintly put it right here and now. i.e. They are not charging anyone because they are still investigating. Whether the McCann’s, or anyone else, chooses to bide their time either here in the UK or in Portugal is actually irrelevant to PJ’s investigation surely?

The PJ will conclude their investigations and take whatever actions may be appropriate when it suits their purposes and not in a timescale that suits the objectives/aims of the arguidos in the case?

“Arranged marriages are an abomination in that they disrespect a persons fundamental human rights whatever country/culture the arrangement takes place in.”

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I think that is too harsh a statement Peter. You are conflating the issue of ‘arranged marriage’ with the sometimes ‘forced marriages’ that take place. Edit…

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“Here in the UK it’s illegal, period.”

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Arranged marriages are not illegal, it is forced marriages that are illegal, consent to marriage must be given freely, and as I have said, they are not a solely Asian concept.

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With respect Carmen, you are splitting hairs. We both know exactly what I’m talking about.

Was the butterfly a myth, I mean a moth?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=458217&in_page_id=1770

January 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am
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They said they would never leave portugal before theyve found Madeleine.They left after they were made arguidos…..the only real person is Madeleine and she is gone….

“Why did they leave portugal in the first place??”

They have a life to live in England. They have mortgage to pay, preferably from their own earnings.

Behind all this media soap opera, there are some real persons.

“Er, why?”

Because what would the police do in this case? Obviously nothing. (Or what should they do?)

But how would that be perceived in public?

So if they returned now, neither side would gain anything (apart from the tabloids of course). Things will be different of course once the secrecy is lifted.

January 13th, 2008 at 9:57 am
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Why did they leave portugal in the first place??

“I think I’ve found Garth’s ‘trump card’, but it doesn’t look like a trump card to me:”

But it’s true, isn’t it? A return to Portugal would be “high profile” and an embarrasment for the police. Edit…

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Er, why?

January 13th, 2008 at 9:44 am
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Marilyn in Texas Says:

November 18th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
Kate and Gerry are wonderful parents.
They made a tniy misake of which the whole family will pay for for the rest of their lives.
Maddy was stalked just like any kid can be. The girlfriend of Robert and Robert need to produce some answers.
I hope more of you could worry about Maddy and the real kidnappers will be caught.
Marilyn Texas USA

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The made a “TINY” mistake????? do you really believe that to leave 3 kids unattended in a foreign country or yours,is a tiny mistake???? you must be jocking. or do you say that becasue you cant say anything else?have you e ver thought the whole lot IF SHE HAS BEEN TAKEN would have happened if the children hadnt been left ALONE????you must be kidding.
What you are saying is just outrageous

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Hre is the new thread and my answer …..the saga continues

The weather is better in April.

I think I’ve found Garth’s ‘trump card’, but it doesn’t look like a trump card to me:

‘A close friend said the the couple were likely to go back after their “D-Day” of April 11, when their three-month extension is up, and added: “They feel they’ve waited long enough with this cloud of suspicion hanging over them. They know their return would be very high-profile. They believe investigators do not have the evidence against them to bring charges, and their presence in Portugal would embarrass them. They’ve so far held off going back there, but they see it as their trump card.”

Lori Campbell, Mirror

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What kind of deluded fool could convince themselves that the presence of a couple of arguidos would cause the slightest embarrassment to the PJ?

Do these same deluded fools believe that they would be warmly embraced by the Portuguese people if they deigned to return?

Bluff and bluster… Show us the body… Show us the evidence… etc… What the deluded fools don’t like is that the PJ are going at their own pace, not that dictated by said fools. The fools are losing public sympathy rapidly and it’s they that need this thing wrapped up before the sympathy and, more importantly in my opinion, the money train goes completely off the rails.