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	<title>Comments on: Madeleine McCann: The First Robert Murat, McCanns&#8217; Neglect Charge And Old Portugal</title>
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		<title>By: cannuk</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183142.html#comment-297031</link>
		<dc:creator>cannuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we hearing, after a full year, that there was no monitor service at the hotel?
Strikes me as self serving justification for leaving Madeleine and her siblings alone.
And if, as they insist, that they checked on Madeleine every 30 minutes and if Gerry was outside talking after 9:15, that there was no easy way to abduct Madeleine and then also to abduct her quietly.  And strangely enough, I feel that the McCanns are truly innocent and are doing as much as they can to find her.  Sooo I can't help but think  that-- Madeleine left with someone she knew. If she was crying the previous night it would be easy to promise her to take her to her parents.  So it could  be anyone who heard the cries the night before.  So let's look at nearby residents or the Tapas group of friends closely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we hearing, after a full year, that there was no monitor service at the hotel?<br />
Strikes me as self serving justification for leaving Madeleine and her siblings alone.<br />
And if, as they insist, that they checked on Madeleine every 30 minutes and if Gerry was outside talking after 9:15, that there was no easy way to abduct Madeleine and then also to abduct her quietly.  And strangely enough, I feel that the McCanns are truly innocent and are doing as much as they can to find her.  Sooo I can&#8217;t help but think  that&#8211; Madeleine left with someone she knew. If she was crying the previous night it would be easy to promise her to take her to her parents.  So it could  be anyone who heard the cries the night before.  So let&#8217;s look at nearby residents or the Tapas group of friends closely.</p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183142.html#comment-295940</link>
		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know how putting the Mccann's in prison and away from the other 2 children, (without any evidence) is going to help... This child is still missing and I feel the Mccanns have put a great amount of effort in, to try and find her, much more than the Shannon Matthews fiasco. 
 Plus this did not happen in England but Portugal so why should this be compared to the Shannon Matthews case, and why her mother is being charged.  I think you will find that she would be safer inside as the public would like to show her what they think of her.  I know some of you just write stupid comments on this site to get a bite, but some are just really silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know how putting the Mccann&#8217;s in prison and away from the other 2 children, (without any evidence) is going to help&#8230; This child is still missing and I feel the Mccanns have put a great amount of effort in, to try and find her, much more than the Shannon Matthews fiasco.<br />
 Plus this did not happen in England but Portugal so why should this be compared to the Shannon Matthews case, and why her mother is being charged.  I think you will find that she would be safer inside as the public would like to show her what they think of her.  I know some of you just write stupid comments on this site to get a bite, but some are just really silly.</p>
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		<title>By: puzzled</title>
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		<dc:creator>puzzled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1266 Watcher

For all her sins, at least Karen had the decency to admit to her crime and show remorse.  IMO, the Mccons covered their wrong doings so well, probably in a way the Karen wouldnt even dream of.  Dont worry, their day will come,i am sure of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1266 Watcher</p>
<p>For all her sins, at least Karen had the decency to admit to her crime and show remorse.  IMO, the Mccons covered their wrong doings so well, probably in a way the Karen wouldnt even dream of.  Dont worry, their day will come,i am sure of that.</p>
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		<title>By: S Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183142.html#comment-294275</link>
		<dc:creator>S Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone can see that the McCanns were not holidaying with their children, but in spite of their children. They were all too eager to please themselves, which necessitated the dumping of their children at the care points in the day time, and leaving their children to cry at evening meal &#38; drinking times so that they could be unencumbered by their offspring. Why is everyone so sorry for them? They should not have had children if they saw children as an encumbrance. Even now they are travelling around without their remaining children. They have received a lot of money for their carelessness and negligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone can see that the McCanns were not holidaying with their children, but in spite of their children. They were all too eager to please themselves, which necessitated the dumping of their children at the care points in the day time, and leaving their children to cry at evening meal &amp; drinking times so that they could be unencumbered by their offspring. Why is everyone so sorry for them? They should not have had children if they saw children as an encumbrance. Even now they are travelling around without their remaining children. They have received a lot of money for their carelessness and negligence.</p>
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		<title>By: the watcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>the watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen Mathews is in prison for neglecting her child.
the McCanns are not !!!!
Why ???????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen Mathews is in prison for neglecting her child.<br />
the McCanns are not !!!!<br />
Why ???????</p>
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		<title>By: the watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183142.html#comment-293740</link>
		<dc:creator>the watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we live in a spoilt lazy society.
people are quite happy to sit back watching 'reality' tv and ignore the real reality.
we are happy to believe that our way of life is at threat from muslims/ terrorists /immigrants /teenagers because the media feed this to us every day.
but how many of you have had problems with any of the above?
have you been the victim of the terrorists they tell us are all around us ?
is your next door neighbor really a pedophile?
Is there a major crime wave in your town due to eastern European immigrants?
NO
you are being lied to every day by the tabloids..
the mirror
the star
the mail
the express
the sun
the telegraph
the sport
all these papers are full of racist lies and hatred .
not news.
what is worrying is that the opinions promoted in these papers are nothing more than propaganda. the sort of thing you would expect to read in a bnp pamphlet.
but this is not a bnp pamphlet it is the popular press!
this is very worrying.
we need to wake up before its too late!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we live in a spoilt lazy society.<br />
people are quite happy to sit back watching &#8216;reality&#8217; tv and ignore the real reality.<br />
we are happy to believe that our way of life is at threat from muslims/ terrorists /immigrants /teenagers because the media feed this to us every day.<br />
but how many of you have had problems with any of the above?<br />
have you been the victim of the terrorists they tell us are all around us ?<br />
is your next door neighbor really a pedophile?<br />
Is there a major crime wave in your town due to eastern European immigrants?<br />
NO<br />
you are being lied to every day by the tabloids..<br />
the mirror<br />
the star<br />
the mail<br />
the express<br />
the sun<br />
the telegraph<br />
the sport<br />
all these papers are full of racist lies and hatred .<br />
not news.<br />
what is worrying is that the opinions promoted in these papers are nothing more than propaganda. the sort of thing you would expect to read in a bnp pamphlet.<br />
but this is not a bnp pamphlet it is the popular press!<br />
this is very worrying.<br />
we need to wake up before its too late!</p>
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		<title>By: Logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1255  Matt

Nothing would surprise me!  I would be surprised if the David Cameron is accepting much from Archer these days - but then again, as I keep saying, nothing surprises me!  Archer certainly does not come from a similar background to Cameron - I doubt they have much in common.   Neither does Archer's wife impress me.   In my opinion, no political party should want to associate with them.  I am somewhat horrified that Cameron has decided to embrace Aitken and I have been meaning to write to him on this subject.    However, on balance, I think a shift of government to a Conservative one would benefit most of us more than many people realise at the moment.    And I do hope that Boris Johnson gets a chance to change London a bit.  Am I living in cloud cuckoo land?  Maybe, but things are not good at the moment with the present lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1255  Matt</p>
<p>Nothing would surprise me!  I would be surprised if the David Cameron is accepting much from Archer these days - but then again, as I keep saying, nothing surprises me!  Archer certainly does not come from a similar background to Cameron - I doubt they have much in common.   Neither does Archer&#8217;s wife impress me.   In my opinion, no political party should want to associate with them.  I am somewhat horrified that Cameron has decided to embrace Aitken and I have been meaning to write to him on this subject.    However, on balance, I think a shift of government to a Conservative one would benefit most of us more than many people realise at the moment.    And I do hope that Boris Johnson gets a chance to change London a bit.  Am I living in cloud cuckoo land?  Maybe, but things are not good at the moment with the present lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logic

I remember having read that crimes are proportionnally inverse to the level of studies, according to statistics. In short, stretching one's intelligence prevents you from being a criminal.

That is how class can be related to crime. It isn't so much the money. It is the ability to solve problems, which requires an aptitude to take a certain number of data -variable data- into consideration. 

What adds to the problem, is that in poorer areas, children aren't taught to deal with frustration in the same way. Peter Mac explained it very well in some of his posts. The pleasure principle (I must get what I want now), is prevailing over the principle of reality (If I accept not to have it now, I'll get something better later). It doesn't prepare children to become successfull in life by accepting frustrations, like working instead of playing, studying instead of watching TV etc... 

It is a vicious circle, and of course, the victims are inflicting it upon themselves, but out of control over their own life rather than willingly, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logic</p>
<p>I remember having read that crimes are proportionnally inverse to the level of studies, according to statistics. In short, stretching one&#8217;s intelligence prevents you from being a criminal.</p>
<p>That is how class can be related to crime. It isn&#8217;t so much the money. It is the ability to solve problems, which requires an aptitude to take a certain number of data -variable data- into consideration. </p>
<p>What adds to the problem, is that in poorer areas, children aren&#8217;t taught to deal with frustration in the same way. Peter Mac explained it very well in some of his posts. The pleasure principle (I must get what I want now), is prevailing over the principle of reality (If I accept not to have it now, I&#8217;ll get something better later). It doesn&#8217;t prepare children to become successfull in life by accepting frustrations, like working instead of playing, studying instead of watching TV etc&#8230; </p>
<p>It is a vicious circle, and of course, the victims are inflicting it upon themselves, but out of control over their own life rather than willingly, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: the watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183142.html#comment-293660</link>
		<dc:creator>the watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t understand why so many people have such a hard time accepting that there is good and bad in all classes and creeds. This is a fact which cannot be denied

YES
but the poor burn at the stake while the wealthy get away with murder</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t understand why so many people have such a hard time accepting that there is good and bad in all classes and creeds. This is a fact which cannot be denied</p>
<p>YES<br />
but the poor burn at the stake while the wealthy get away with murder</p>
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		<title>By: Logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JuneJohnson  1247

Thank you for that information which I do find reassuring.  :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JuneJohnson  1247</p>
<p>Thank you for that information which I do find reassuring.  <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: the watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/183142.html#comment-293641</link>
		<dc:creator>the watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen Mathews jailed 
McCans free
Can anyone give me a reason for this?????
They left 3 children - babies - alone night after night and then returned to the uk minus one child.
nothing has been done 
why???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen Mathews jailed<br />
McCans free<br />
Can anyone give me a reason for this?????<br />
They left 3 children - babies - alone night after night and then returned to the uk minus one child.<br />
nothing has been done<br />
why???</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1239  Gandolf

Very good answer I must say. 

Yet I think it was his duty to give the green light or not. In those times, there was no separation of justice and government. So, as he put the problem in a philosophical way : "What is truth?, he washed his hands off his reponsibility, knowing that the man was innocent. He didn't fight for the truth to prevail, he turned it into a philosophical debate. A nihilist before his time, in a way. 

If truth can be seen in different ways, it is no longer the truth, IMO. What can be seen in different ways, is the interpretation of the truth. 

I know our little discussion has little to do with the present case. I just wanted to point out that there are some indisputable facts in it, and that the local police are entitled to examine them in the light of the local law. A trial would decide if the charges are relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1239  Gandolf</p>
<p>Very good answer I must say. </p>
<p>Yet I think it was his duty to give the green light or not. In those times, there was no separation of justice and government. So, as he put the problem in a philosophical way : &#8220;What is truth?, he washed his hands off his reponsibility, knowing that the man was innocent. He didn&#8217;t fight for the truth to prevail, he turned it into a philosophical debate. A nihilist before his time, in a way. </p>
<p>If truth can be seen in different ways, it is no longer the truth, IMO. What can be seen in different ways, is the interpretation of the truth. </p>
<p>I know our little discussion has little to do with the present case. I just wanted to point out that there are some indisputable facts in it, and that the local police are entitled to examine them in the light of the local law. A trial would decide if the charges are relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1245 Marie Nicholas

I totally agree - there are still great inequalities between the sexes.  And of course, money will always harness power, and people of lesser intelligence and inferior education will usually have a harder time achieving what they deserve.   But many posters are simply equating money with the middle/upper classes and lack of it with the working classes, when this is often clearly not the case.   People in council housing often have more disposable income than those struggling to pay a mortgage. Likewise,  criminals who gain wealth by their criminal activities do not become upper class.

I don't understand why so many people have such a hard time accepting that there is good and bad in all classes and creeds.  This is a fact which cannot be denied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1245 Marie Nicholas</p>
<p>I totally agree - there are still great inequalities between the sexes.  And of course, money will always harness power, and people of lesser intelligence and inferior education will usually have a harder time achieving what they deserve.   But many posters are simply equating money with the middle/upper classes and lack of it with the working classes, when this is often clearly not the case.   People in council housing often have more disposable income than those struggling to pay a mortgage. Likewise,  criminals who gain wealth by their criminal activities do not become upper class.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why so many people have such a hard time accepting that there is good and bad in all classes and creeds.  This is a fact which cannot be denied.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1244...Logic

I think it was a Conservative Party Fund Raising bash. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1244&#8230;Logic</p>
<p>I think it was a Conservative Party Fund Raising bash. <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1244...Logic

Class distinction is operated also by none other than the Inland Revenue. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1244&#8230;Logic</p>
<p>Class distinction is operated also by none other than the Inland Revenue. <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: brandon flours</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandon flours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>new thread</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread</p>
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		<title>By: Just_me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just_me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello SC46 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello SC46 <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: brandon flours</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandon flours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sc46

HI ! :-D

by hand or by drugs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sc46</p>
<p>HI ! <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>by hand or by drugs?</p>
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		<title>By: SC46</title>
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		<dc:creator>SC46</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Nosey - hope you are feeling better :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Nosey - hope you are feeling better <img src='http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1244..Logic

No...I was concerned that you seemed to consider her guilty without evidence
....and at the time there was nothing to actually suggest that she may have been complicit. The fact that it has turned out that she may be complicit...is neither here
nor there....her life-style itself did not necessarily suggest that she was actually guilty.</description>
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<p>No&#8230;I was concerned that you seemed to consider her guilty without evidence<br />
&#8230;.and at the time there was nothing to actually suggest that she may have been complicit. The fact that it has turned out that she may be complicit&#8230;is neither here<br />
nor there&#8230;.her life-style itself did not necessarily suggest that she was actually guilty.</p>
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