Madeleine McCann: Gerry McCann’s Phone Records, Neglect And Abduction
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DAILY MIRROR: “McCANNS IN FURY AFTER 14 TXTS SLUR - Cops demand Gerry’s phone records”
Gerry McCann reacted angrily yesterday to claims he received a string of mystery texts the day before his daughter vanished. Police applied to Portugal’s supreme court to seize his phone records after learning of the alleged messages.
They claim Gerry was sent 10 texts from an unknown number 24 hours before Madeleine disappeared.
Claim. Claim. Alleged. Now we’re getting somewhere.
THE TIMES: “Madeleine McCann’s parents investigated for neglect”
The first published court ruling on the Madeleine case confirms that the police inquiry covers homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and abduction.
The reference to “abandonment” suggests that Portuguese detectives are investigating if there is evidence that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving their daughter alone on the night she was reported missing. The charge carries a maximum 10-year jail sentence.
Suggests, eh? Any other facts?
Mr and Mrs McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leicestershire, have strenuously denied negligence and said they were just 50 yards away at the time their daughter was taken.
THE SUN: “’Maddie parents neglect rap’ fear”
Court papers revealed Portuguese investigators were considering the “abandonment” charge. But they were also looking at abduction, homicide and concealment of a corpse, the documents showed.
KELVIN MacKENZIE: “I am puzzled at the refusal of the McCanns to fly to the Algarve today for a police reconstruction of the night Madeleine disappeared.”
Kelvin Mackenzie wants Britishers to boycott Portugal.
He concludes that they should go: “Until they do so my personal jury will remain out.”
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Madeleine McCann’s parents being investigated for negligence”
Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns said: “Certainly its encouraging that they are investigating whether Madeleine was abducted, because that’s what happened, as Kate and Gerry have always said.
“Quite frankly, they would like to see them [the Portuguese police] doing more searching on the ground.”
And so it goes…
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June 2nd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Negligence? What’s to investigate? The only question is ‘Is what they did acceptable/negligent?’ Neither is it relevant that other parents may have done likewise. That means I could give my dog a good kicking on the basis that others do it. The ‘they have suffered enough’ argument doesn’t wash either. It’s a separate issue.
Yes I will take heed of post 157. But we are discussing specifics here.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Good Day to you
Every day, in every country across the globe, children go missing. This is fact. We all know this, we hear about high profile cases and spare a moment of our time to consider the pain and anguish being suffered by the families and we move on with our own lives.
“Forever Searching”, a group of volunteers, made a decision - no longer would we ignore the issue of missing children and no longer would we carry on living our lives without making an attempt to get these children seen.
We are asking you to do the same. Please take a few minutes out of your day and have a look at our site dedicated to missing children. Follow the link below. (We understand many people are careful not to click on links so you may wish to type the address directly into your browser).
http://www.foreversearching.com
On our site you will find many missing children from around the world. All we are asking, is that you take a few minutes to take a look at the missing children from your country or any other country.
Look into their eyes and ask yourself, if you can walk away without doing something to help raise awareness to them. Please help Forever Searching in achieving their aim, that no child should become just another statistic.
There are a number of ways that you can personally help a missing child:
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· You could display the banner from our site, on your website.
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I would be extremely grateful if you would acknowledge my mail - I need to know that you are considering the content.
These missing children are out there somewhere, someone knows where - please help us to bring them home, please.
May 30th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Edna 147:
“I waded through your pseudo intellectual post, and am stumped by “Fwiw”. What does it mean?”
Fwiw - For what it’s worth - sorry. As for the rest - it only makes sense in relation to an altercation that was going on last night. M & A seem to have had no problem with it
M and A
I thought it was hilarious and so succinct
May 29th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
152 Edna
I do understand your feelings & a lot of me actually agrees with you.
But surely Portugal then would be in a worse state without the extra foreign spending?
We bought an apartment in southern Spain a couple of years ago. Whilst that town is predomenantly Spanish there is obviously an influx of foreigners, Brits, Dutch, Germans, Scandinavians, S Americans & Italians. We did not wish to stay / live in a place that may resent us. So we made a huge effort to speak to as many locals as possible to find out their thoughts on us foreigners. All, without exception, said that we were all welcome & in fact needed to a certain extent. On that basis we bought. Since then we have indeed been very welcomed & the locals & foreigners appear to mix very well.
I agree with you that some establishments are foreign owned & sometimes they make no effort to learn the language & simply cater for their own. Of course this is wrong.
I can’t comment on Portugals economy, employment & health service as I really don’t know enough about it. But I am surprised to hear those problems of a country within the EU. I know that Spain (& Ireland) have done exceedingly well out of the EU!
If a Brit (or any nationality) behaves badly in someone else’s country then that is wrong but I’m afraid I still cannot see that any blame should be cast if they have only done what is allowed/permitted/accepted. The onus should be on the country allowing it imo.
May 29th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
If the Drs McCann are not prosecuted for negligence for abandoning their children for hours at a time while they (the parents) were wining and dining even after Madeleine had called it to her parents’ attention that she and her siblings had been crying for a long time the previous evening without their parents coming to help them, then it will make it clear to parents worldwide that it is all right to do what the Drs McCann did - leave your children in an unlocked house while you enjoy yourself out of hearing distance of the childrens’ crying, even though you know that they needed you while you were out enjoying yourself the night before.
Mrs McCann is adamant that she did not neglect her children-
M and A
Had to edit your last sentance, although I agree with the sentiment, it could be seen as a libel
May 29th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Mysterious text messages??? Really?? I get mystery text messages AL THE TIME.
Boiler room stock quotes, viagra tablets from Singapore, penis patch enlarger products and how to purchase million dollar properties for little or no money down!
I don’t think Kate or Gery are guilty of anything except being idiots for leaving thier children alone, unattened.
But if I was in the same situation, I’d let them have my phone reords, myBeatles records or any other record they request.
XXOOXX to you Maddie.. where ever you are!
M and A
agree absolutely with your last remark, HOWEVER, I’m a girl, and the willie I use is fine, how do we tell them that?
May 29th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
151 Fair
Gardens don’t exist here. I’m always amused by the importance put on gardens and conservatories in the UK. However, if I did have one, and I wish I did, I wouldn’t say ok. No offense to you, but I want Portugal to stay Portuguese.
However, this country will not be Portuguese in the future. I can remember when it was strictly Portuguese, except for Algarve, which the Portuguese resent being taken over by Brits. A friend told me the other day he went there and ordered a beer and the menu was in English and he ordered a beer in Portuguese and the waitress said in English, she didn’t understand. He got up and left, furious that this is his country and he can’t even order in his own language. I hear this all the time from friends who will never go there again. It can’t happen to the rest of the country.
I don’t think anyone realizes how hard life is here, how bad the health care is, truly 3rd world. IT professionals, with degrees, make what a person working at McDonalds makes. Taxes are sky-high and we pay more for everything than the wealthier countries in the EU. There are no jobs. Unemployment is at a record high. Try living on 300 euros a month. Most of the people do and how they manage is a mystery to me.
These are things that should be taken into account by anyone wanting to relocate here.
May 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
150 Edna
I made a mistake. I should have said ..surely it’s up to Portugal etc.
I am not trying to stick up for the Brits (God knows so many show the country in a terrible light) however I do not think it is the fault of that nation if the country allowing these things to happen…allow it!
Simple scenario…………..if I say to you can I build a house at the bottom of your garden, here’s £££/eee & you say yes ok. Is it right that that’s my fault?
May 29th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
149 Fair
Nothing is up to the Portuguese people, the poorest in the EU and the government is allowing this. This government is corrupt and in trouble with the EU due to the deficit and they’ll take money however they can get it.
I wouldn’t live anywhere else, though, even with the “Brit Invasion”
. This country is so safe! It’s also very misunderstood by the rest of the world because the culture is so different.
Obviously I am not Portuguese, but I’ve been here long enough to feel as if I am and my husband is Portuguese.
May 29th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
146 Edna
Then surely it is up to the Portuguese to stop what they don’t wish to happen…if they do not wish it to happen?
Don’t you think?
It’s their country.
Why are they prepared to demolish a whole neighborhood?
Tourist resorts/countries need to decide if they want to continue receiving the money from what tourism creates or simply now live off what they have & what the EU gives them, imo.
May 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
9
irish girl spain
You wrote of G controlling her. I just woke from a dream and in it a guy opened a newspaper rack and two papers came out and he gave one to me. He said, “the father did it”. I wondered in the dream if he meant G. When I woke, I felt sure that was the case.
May 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
144
False Flag
I waded through your pseudo intellectual post, and am stumped by “Fwiw”. What does it mean?
May 29th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Kelvin MacKenzie , tosser that he is, says to Boycott Portugal? The Portuguese would love that. We’re being overrun with Brits, who have now declared Algarve passé and are buying up the country. I don’t mean any disrespect towards British people, but until you can treat the Portuguese in your own country decently, you shouldn’t expect to be welcomed here warmly. I’m talking about the ordinary Portuguese citizens. One friend lives in Gaia and a whole neighborhood is being demolished so some Brits can build a hotel and luxury apartments. The fear is that the Portuguese won’t be able to afford to live here in the future.
Sorry for going off topic. It’s just that people are talking about this.
M and a
What topic? we don’t enforce that
Have a look in the forums , they are doing exactly the same in Scotland, they have done it in Wales and Devon ,Cornwall all the picturesque places where the locals are unable to afford and in some cases forced out http://www.anorak.co.uk/forums/topic.php?id=1392&replies=6
May 29th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
come on the other thread - i’ve posted your comments on there!
May 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
45 sam said to Jo:
“i don’t think you slander the pj. i also think truth will always out :)”
Fwiw i don’t either, Jo…..I was pondering the linguistic contentions re ‘game playing last night just before bed ! Truly I don’t really believe it IS a cross-cultural issue at all. I reckon there are contexts in English also where culpable deception would not be implied by a reference to ‘playing’. There is surely a metaphoric usage which, on the contrary has conotations of admiration for skills executed in, for example, ‘playing the waiting game’………..just fwiw
M and A
exactly what I think
May 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
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thentherewere4 Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
John Geraghtys phone number only has to show up and the Mccanns are sunk and they know it.
can you eloborate on this?
May 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
John Geraghtys phone number only has to show up and the Mccanns are sunk and they know it.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
What a mess.
Can I just quickly explain something about the Court of Évora’s ruling?
Just concerning the telecommunications [SMS, MMS, Mail, VoiP] interceptions- the judge ruled no access to what was inside the messages [content], because the Investigative Police - in this case and in any other cases- have to be backed by a judicial authorization previous to the actions of the suspects and to be acted only in real time. Also, I would like to point out that this laws were made to respect the Rights of Privacy of every Citizen - another reason for the judge not to allow the appeal. Obviously, the law concerning telecommunication is NOT up to date with the speed that one can send messages and also, it does not consider the various available mediums one can use to communicate. In my opinion, the PJ would have to be psychics to know what would take place and what the suspects actions would be - “the authorities should have requested that type of operation to collect evidence even before the child disappeared”. As well, this ruling only refers to this specific case - in case of terrorism, fraud and other similar crimes it is possible to access the content of private messages, after the action was done but always with the necessary judicial authorization.
“The understanding of the Judge is that this access would “mean to gain knowledge of the contents of the conversation or telephone communication, without a previous judicial dispatch, authorizing such procedure”. Which is not foreseen in the Portuguese law.(…)
The ruling from the Relation Court, signed by judge Fernando Ribeiro Cardoso, dismisses that possibility, as well. “The data from the contents, as the tenor of the messages, can only be intercepted in real time, with due judicial authorization””
At the same time, the use of the mobile phones and other methods of localization of the suspects is allowed to be used - This, because the criminal instruction judge has not raised questions relative to the analysis of the “lists of telephone traffic in regards to calls made and received.”- that is, trough triangulation -”the cellular positioning of the devices and the trace-backs (which allow for the devices to be localized, and to be included into a certain radius during precise time periods)”.
“The PJ was able to find out who spoke to whom on the day that Maddie disappeared, because they had access to the listings of telephone traffic.”
hope this helps.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
cmon folks keep up new thread
May 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
I’m just back from the Granite city, off to try and change this foreign money into good old pounds Sterling.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Clarence spins that the whole Tapas7 Group discussed and then decided not
to attend the Reconstruction.
Other reports indicate that 3 members of the Group were happy to attend
without any pre-conditions.
Is Clarence being truthful ?
Is Clarence lying ?
Is Clarence being misinformed ?
Is Clarence out of touch ?
May 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
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Marie Nicholas Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
ah, thank you
May 29th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
131…Sally
Empty rhetoric is a regular feature of the good Dr’s vocalisations.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
128
Saul Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Mr B,
I’m not sure what is available. However if a simple one is available to the general public, then I would presume Boffins would have access to much more sophisticated apparatus
………………
I read a bit more….
and the essense is a SIM card oly carries about 20 SMS messages, then when that is full they go on to the relatively larger phone memory. Even so the same applies, the storage capacity of the phone memory is not infinate so after a time ‘marked deleted’ messages will be over-written.
I am not sure if that is the issue anyway. It does seem that messages are kept for a long time on the service providers central servers. As 120 Rasputin and 122 Marie Nicholas point out they probably already have the text messsages (thats why they seem to know they exist and perhaps what they are about). The big problem seems to be that they have not obtained them with the approval of the Courts (I resist saying ‘illegally’) so they are, at present inadmissable. I think the latest judgement was an attempt to obtain them with the approval of the Courts but that seems to have been resisted on privacey/retrospective grounds (hope I have got all that correct)
May 29th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Sam
My mistake!
I just googled “Duarte Levy’s blog”. I got a long list, the first address of which was :
SOS Madeleine McCann.
It seems to be in English.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
130
Saul Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Or,
One for the money, one for no show, one to get ready and one to no go.
—————————————-
Damn!
Wish I’d thought of that…
May 29th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
129
Marie Nicholas Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I you google “esplendor de la forma” you get into it very easily. It is written in Spanish.
“Gazeta Digital” is in Spanish too.
thanks
May 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Oh why, why why, dr g, why not hand over your phone records————–what are you hiding————why not cooperate with the Portugeuse Police (for once) and what about those questions you refuse to answer, sure you’ll do ANYTHING to find your daughter, except what the Police ask of you—————mighty suspicious.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Or,
One for the money, one for no show, one to get ready and one to no go.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I you google “esplendor de la forma” you get into it very easily. It is written in Spanish.
“Gazeta Digital” is in Spanish too.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Mr B,
I’m not sure what is available. However if a simple one is available to the general public, then I would presume Boffins would have access to much more sophisticated apparatus