Comments on: Madeleine McCann Suspect Robert Murat’s DNA Tests

By: Powder monkey

Powder monkey — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:26:00 +0000

Mick Robinson, I have never read such a retarded posting as yours. Can you evidence any of your claims. Not likely. The days of police fitting people up ended in 1984 with the P.A.C.E. Act and even prior to that, any form of fit up, be it “verballing” etc was rare. Most police officers have only a layman’s knowledge of computers; police forces do not have forensic computer experts on staff, investigations requiring computer examination use external firms on similar lines to the examination of mobile phones. Any member of the public can use the services of any forensic expert, such as a pathologist (second post mort mortems are often carried out on behalf of the defence), fingerprint expert or computer expert which would son show up any tampering with evidence. Any senior investigation officer knows that whilst he or she is under pressure to solve a case, any attempt to mislead the public or the media is going backfire sooner or later (with all the problems landing on that S.I.O’s head), and no editor, TV or press, is going to publish lies that would be easily disproved. Certainly there have been miscarriages of justice, some of them appalling ones, but they were prior to 1984 and a result of police misbehaving with evidence is that a police officer giving evidence in the court is no longer treated as 100% believable as it once was.
You suggest that I may be corrupt. Your comments make you sound one of two things. Paranoid or may be you yourself are a paedophile and this will be your defence should the police find kiddie porn on your computer, that the police themselves planted it.
I suggest you wake up and live in the real world.

By: Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson — Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:56:48 +0000

Well powder monkey it has been known before that forensic experts can be corrupt as well ( not all of them) but some of them are. And acually the police can have put in the media what they want, and acually it has been known for people to try and have things put in the media about corrupt police and the media have neglected them because then the police would have it in for them, so basically your just a liar. Remember, whenever there is a public outcry for justice then police are underpressure, and to take that pressure off there shoulders they have to get the problem sorted out to make themselves look good to the public ( and if that means fitting somebody up then they will do it, not always but sometimes) and a computer expert can be bribed by police to fit someone up with child porn and sometimes the police wont even hire a computer expert. The police know the power of the media because the pen is mightier than the sord, and with you being a police officer you might even be corrupt yourself.

By: Powder monkey

Powder monkey — Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:47:32 +0000

Unfortunately for all the people on various websites, from concerned parents to people having dreams and visions, none of you know what leads the Portuguese police are pursuing nor if the McCanns have told the unvarnished truth about their actions that night. I have worked for the UK police for 15 years, in various roles but mainly scenes of crime and I know that police around the world do not release all they know to the public during major investigations, be it to identify hoaxers, protect surces or to prevent the offender destroying evidence. As for Murat, he is innocent till proven guilty (I think only France uses the Napoleonic code, which is the reverse) and whilst I am not privy to the evidence against him, nothing I have heard or read even indicates any guilt or involvement. Even the Sun in its article does not say that the pron on his computer was child porn, but adult porn. it included bestiality which, whilst extremely distasteful and worrying, does not make him a paedophile. As for Mick Robinson’s comments - you embarrass yourself. The police cannot put anything they want in the media. Of course the media assist the police but it is still a free press and they are more likely to tarnish a person’s name and reputation than the police. Look at what has been done to Murat before he is even charged let alone convicted. As for the police planting evidence on a computer, you watch too much television. Forensic experts can be hired by anyone not just the police and defence barristers often do. Any decent computer expert would be able to show when data was added to a computer thus showing that the computer was in police possession at the time. Or does Mr. Robinson think the police sneak into people’s homes to do it? if you have evidence of this, I suggest you at least present it to the media who, you can be assured, would take great pleasure in pursuing it.
Thomas Deflo says Madelaine is clearly in the hands of a child sex ring and that these have a common trait of the complicity of corrupt intelligence agencies to help the guilty maintain their cover. Where is the evidence of either of these statements? It is certainly possible that Madelaine was abducted by such people, and there was a recent child sex abuse case in Belgium where police officers were involved, but not the police force as an instituiton. This does not make it a common trait.
I’ve not heard or read anything regarding the outcome of the second DNA test on Murat and I must have missed the report of unidentified DNA being found at the scene. I know from my work that DNA can be fast tracked for serious offences to produce a result within a few days. Maybe some one could post any information on this test? Neb made some very good points regarding Murat’s future should he turn out to be completely innocent. His life has been ruined mainly by the media desperate to sell papers and get viewing figures, and this shameful attitude is perpetuated by people calling him all sorts of names without a shred of evidence.
Personally, I have an open mind as to how or who is responsible for Madelaine’s disappearance. There are now reports about inconsitencies in the parents’ & family’s statements. At the very least I think they have been stunningly stupid in leaving 3 very young children alone for even half an hour at a time and, whilst like evreyone, I hope Madelaine is found safe and well, the chances after this amount of time are next to nothing.

By: Mick Robinson

Mick Robinson — Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:52:06 +0000

Well nobody knows yet if Murat is innocent or guilty, but there is something you all should know: The public are brainwashed by the police into thinking the police are good people–but that is far from the truth. Whenever there’s a public outcry for justice and the police cant be seen to be doing nothing, they just nick another idiot or outsider or some loser with no power. When the police are under pressure, that pressure pushes the bad seeds of the police to the surface. The polices’ biggest weapon is the media and they can have whatever they want in the media publicized. If they really want to dirty your name they will do ( they can even stoop as low as planting child porn on your computer) and if that gets in the media then what chance have you got. The brainwashed people are not gonna think that it was planted by the police are they? I’m not saying they use this method all the time, I’m just saying it’s happened before and still happens today–especially if there’s a big outcry for justice and police want to make themselves look good. If Murat is guilty then he deserves to rott in hell! But with the amount of corrupt police there are today I would not be so quick to judge, but thats just my opinion.

By: Ian

Ian — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:49:47 +0000

I AGREE ROSITA….HAD TO BE SOMEONE ON THE INSIDE…NO QUESTION.

By: rosita

rosita — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:07:26 +0000

it is not nice at all to suspect Murat.We have no idea about what the police know .If it would have been him, he would have been arrested by now.I believe the crime comes from people who were and perhaps still are inside the resort.Only they could observe well the behaviour of the mccanns, their habits and how long they used to stay away from their apartment.

By: Celia Burtenshaw

Celia Burtenshaw — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:46:05 +0000

I met Robert Murat whilst on holiday, there is nothing remotely odd about him, quite the contrary. The poor man is going through hell now because of the accusations against him, as are his family.
He does not have a glass eye, he has a detatched retina, there is no dungeon under the villa, and the swimming pool was not drained. So that is three things the press got wrong. We went out to dinner one night and were followed by the police ourselves, just because his cousin was with us. The press were hanging about most of the time, and when they went on the town at night they behaved very badly, getting drink and dancing on the tables. The hotels were happy to get rid of them.
I thin Robert is innocent, and hope he will soon be proved to be so. He is unable under portugues law to make any statements to the press, so he can’t defend himself until this is all over.

By: Thomas Deflo

Thomas Deflo — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:49:25 +0000

Paedophile networks with high ranking people do exist. The networks exist in several countries and practice similar cruelties. Maddy is clearly in the hands of a well-organized child sex-ring. A common trait in them is the complicity of corrupt intelligence agencies to help the guilty maintain their cover.

By: Guiseppe

Guiseppe — Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:10:31 +0000

Pete - so because you live across the road and ’saw it with your own eyes’ you therefore ‘know a great deal about this’.

Ha ha ha!!! I live across the road from Buckingham Palace and subsequently know a great deal about what goes on inside.

Read the Pc Pro article as Dogstar suggests and watch less CSI. I think your problem is you live in RURAL Scotland as you mentioned. I’m more likely to go with PC Pro’s conclusions as opposed to yours which are based on you peeking through your curtains.

As for how many Op Ore appeals there are - I don’t know. And most likely, neither do you.

By: Goretti

Goretti — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 17:18:58 +0000

I feel that Murat is not saying anything because anything, just about anything he says will be misconstrued, plus he is forbidden by the police to talk about this. People will always speculate but it is best if Murat says nothing.

By: Joanne

Joanne — Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:37:08 +0000

Good post Pete. I’m not quite sure the press interest is entirely justified in Murat - what if he is innocent?

That said, there are an awful lot of details that don;t stack up here for Murat. While he sits and protests his innocence, he is doing very little to attempt to prove it. The phonecalls with Malinka, ‘relevant sexual history’ and unexplained car hire are the kind of things that have increased public interest.

If he is completely innocent, why was he not quicker to get his defence in order? He should have been able to explain his honecall on the spot. If someone asked me why I called a business associate and 11.30 at night, I would have been very quick to give an honest answer if my reputation depended on it.

One thing is pretty certain, Murat may not have had anything to do with the disappearance of Madeleine, but it appears he was ‘up to something’ which he wants to keep hidden.

If you were in Murats boat and you wanted to protest your innocence, you would have an honest and open answer to every question. Even if you’d been dabbling in a bit of drugs, or petty theft, you would rather have that charge levelled at your door than this one.

Why doesnt he come forward with explanations for all the holes in the story?

By: Pete

Pete — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:59:23 +0000

Dogstar, you’re completely wrong about operation ore. I know a great deal about this as my best mates dad’s was caught and convicted in this operation. I live in rural Scotland and it was a huge story here. I lived across the road from the actual investigation and saw it with my own eyes.
The police raided his folks house at 5am, before anyone had even heard of the operation on TV, and spent all day searching it, it was like a scene from TV with guys in white suits and masks etc. They totally gutted the family home and took away everything from DVD’s, video’s, CD’s, PC’s even all my mates, and his wee brothers, computer games and films etc - everything.
The police were very thorough and professional. My mates dad pleaded guilty as the evidence obtained was undeniable.
Your earlier assertion that operation ore was innocent guys getting their credit cards hacked, a miscarage of justice or some sort of mix up is just plain silly. It was a very professional operation, and those charged and found guilty were done so on the basis of evidence placed before a court of law and after assessment by the Procurator Fiscal.
I’ll watch with interest how the class action (rofl) against operation ore goes, and as for the investigation being in deep trouble you’re having a laugh.
Finally Dogstar, how many successful appeals against operation ore convictions have actually happened ? And why are you sticking up for nonces anyway ?
As for the Madeleine case I think the Police will convict the culprit and that their interest, and the press interest, in Murat is totally justified.

By: metro

metro — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:59:32 +0000

i understand the need for everyone to find out what really happened, i dont understand why some people have to give opinions about the work of the police or the parents guilt.
i believe our police (i´m in algarve) are doing everythig they can to find the truth, as the police in england also do their best and not always with the best result (but they all try. anyone disagree?).
this is a situation wich nobody was expecting and the PJ take all the help your police may give (information and technology) that “spy system??” to check all the conections made by mobile phones etc would be very helpfull in the future if avalable from the 1st day (i think we dont have that)
the fact that a jornalist from a newspaper calls the police in england to talk about murat…imagine PJ where trying/waiting to see any contacts from him to anyone else to check possible relations or his movements etc…since is name came to public that is almost impossible to know now (could have been his proof of inocense or guilt) but we would only know he was under suspition if they could proove his guilty of something, imagine he was the one and he had the girl with him? not where he lives but somewhere else, what would happen next????
the parents did what many others do, they felt safe and now they have to live with the guilt.
we all have a guess of what happened, some say with conviction what happened, maybe they should get a job at the police force, we all need this people who can solve crimes that quickly.

By: Jay

Jay — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:07:25 +0000

All lines of enquiries needs to be exhausted.

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By: Ian

Ian — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:27:54 +0000

I am absolutely convinced that she will be found safe and sound soon. Just because the PJ have gone silent, means they are doing their job well. Any leaks will cause the perps to go underground. They have the best of help with technology now.They will track them down , and either arrest them, or the perps will drop off the little girl.
I am just sick over the anguish the parents must be going through. I have a little 4 year old boy , and can’t stand to be away from him for a few hours, let alone a month, especially not knowing where he might be.
Personally I feel it was a kidnapping , not for money, but for a baby. Common sense will prevail , and the guilty will come forward.
Best of luck to all involved. I hope she returns very soon indeed.

By: otherwize

otherwize — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 08:00:36 +0000

I’m not sure that what the police are doing to Murat could be called harassment though the media might be another matter. To be honest with the “hints” the police seem to see fit to drop about Murat if they have any substance I’m surprised they aren’t all over him like a rash. But do they have substance? It does seem odd that although the Portuguese police insisted on being absolutely tight-lipped in accordance with their legal system on all matters of the search, the description of the suspect for instance, in the case of Murat suddenly unnamed sources were available to chat off the record to tabloid journalists about what was being looked for on his computer, what might have been found, alleged phonecalls and various other unsubstantiated tit-bits and to continue to suggest that although they had found nothing to charge him with they might still do so. This “bizarre” discrepancy in their behaviour to coin a phrase suggests to me that they cocked up the early stage of the investigation perhaps because they didn’t take the McCanns seriously enough, perhaps for other reasons were unwilling to conduct searches of premises or vessels in the port or recently leaving it, and also because what they did do they did too late and incompetently. My guess is they then tried to fit up Murat and Malinka to cover their own backsides once they realised they had the British press on their case bigtime and the entire local tourist industry was against the wall. (No prizes for guessing why the car hire woman hated the McCanns and took such wicked action to try and scare them off. The same woman also tried to add fuel to the Murat fire. Basically the quicker you can find a foreign lone nutter to blame for this buck-draining, spotlight-attracting business the quicker it will go away).

By: Dogstar

Dogstar — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:25:16 +0000

Pete wrote: ‘…As for the rubbish from Dogstar (above) about operation ore , it wasn’t just on the basis of credit card statements alone, the guilty all had child porn on their hard drives. They had their PC’s taken away and forensically examined. They were only charged if images were actually found on the hard drive - the credit card statements weren’t enough on their own, and weren’t used in isolation, but were one part of a body of evidence used in court…’

The class action against the UK police specifically addresses the issue of just how those PCs were ‘forensically examined’ - and, with the use of the entire original database from landslide upon which the whole investigation was based (and which has since been obtained by the defence teams) it can be demonstrated the forensic methods employed at the time to convict the accused were deeply flawed, if not wilfully negligent.

Pete, you are just another example of the way the public unflinchingly accepts that just because some policeman gets himself on TV and tells you This Is How It Is (and Jim Gamble specialises in emotive, headline-grabbing utterances) his words are accepted as fact.

Operation Ore is in deep trouble. See here:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/features/74690/operation-ore-exposed.html

…and here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2059880,00.html

and please stop making a fool of yourself in public.

By: Jane

Jane — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:05:24 +0000

Kevin, can’t agree that the Portuguese police are harassing Robert Murat. They steadfastly refused to name him when he was first questioned, in accordance with Portuguese law. It was the tabloids and 24 hour news channels that chose to ignore the law of the country in which they were working and thus ‘named and shamed’ Robert Murat

By: Jane

Jane — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:59:54 +0000

I see your point Pete. However, the editors and publishers of tabloids and red tops are stupid enough to publish allegations without any real proof. How many times do papers have to apologise or pay damages to people, Joe Bloggs or celebs, after having printed a story that proves to be wholly unsubstantiated? Elton John, Keira Knightley are just a couple of recent examples - Piers Morgan was sacked as Editor of the Daily Mirror over the publishing of faked ‘photos. Don’t get me wrong, this issue is far more important than a ‘celeb’ who sues because somone suggests they may turn teenage girls into anorexics - but it does happen.