Comments on: Madeleine McCann And Shannon Matthews: And Jamie Bulger

By: Tracker

Tracker — Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:27:30 +0000

I disagree.
Class and status are not compatible in criminology. The two are separate in cultural and kinship. If we look at kinship we see that families unite to save their own skins as to reputation as a quantifiable resource of protectionism. It is instinctive.

However, the traits of Shannon show she was uhappy to say the least and was found where the parents one assumes would be the first place to check knowing this persons background. In support of the McCanns there was no such past history or disfunctional family background. What concerns me is the photo of Shannon which purports to show this infant with an black eye, no more than that a large contusion so much so it is in the picture and she has to bend her head back blind to blow out the candles. It is obvious from this image she is not able to see to blow out her own candles. If so who did this?

By: John Yateley

John Yateley — Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:46:55 +0000

I can answer the central question in the opening article straight off. It is nothing to do with “class” at all (though a certain kind of armchair politician clearly would like it to be). Quite simply, the McCanns are [reputed to be (dr)] friends with Gordon Brown’s brother, himself a PR man and, of course, he has a hotline to what passes for the top these days.

The Matthews family, on the other hand, have no such connection.

By: S Bell

S Bell — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:45:47 +0000

The class & occupations of those concerned is not an issue here. The country in which it happened is.
If Madeleine had gone missing in this country the police would have automatically investigated close family too.
Now Shannon has been found, the whole affair looks deeply suspicious.

By: thevdoc

thevdoc — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:42:59 +0000

It’s a great shame that another little girl has gone missing. Who knows what has happened, my thoughts are with her family and friends and may their god be with them, at least Shanon’s mother knows she did’nt go out for a meal and drinks and leave her child / children alone in a strange apartment in a foreign country Let’s all pray and hope these children are safe somewhere. And lets not forget little Ben who went missing in on the Island of Kos some 17 years ago.

By: shannon

shannon — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:50:01 +0000

I hope they find shannon matthews because i fell soory for her family

By: Tracker

Tracker — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:07:56 +0000

Clinical psychology is not psycho babble. It is from Klein and the words in the papers would make Melanie Klein’s hair stand on end as would Winnicott’s.

This is not the same as the Lindbergh fiasco, nor the McCann fiasco. It is of inner city deprivation and of her own unhappiness spread in the media as far more illuminating from those interviewed than a three year old. I would think that Shannon would be a happier child in better financial and environmental circumstances, but do we care?

No. That is why she is missing in suspicious circumstances. The toy used in Madeleine as transient object is held again in media, as is the reward. Cuddlecat is not the beanie bear that could not feed her, could not love her, console her, or direct her to a better life of affluence. Child Poverty is the governments fault as uncaring. Shannon is a victim of poverty, nothing else, and of those complications that are visual and known.

By: loraine

loraine — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:22:30 +0000

There are alot of websites for shannon, just do a google search for it, thats what i did. Theres a myspace site, a few facebook sites, bebo sites and many many more. I dont know if im allowed to post links but ill give it a go http://www.findshannon.co.uk thats one site.
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By: JAYCEE

JAYCEE — Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:02:23 +0000

Well just like we are all saying…..HOW MONEY TALKS…..for weeks or should I say months we had the story of Missing Madelaine on the front pages of our papers and the first headlines on every UK TV Channel……..what has Shannon Matthews had?…None of this………..No great big rewards offered by the celebrities……no blogs done everyday by her Dad, he is out searching for his daughter……I am so disappointed that the rich and famous can be so hypecritical where money is concerned……instead they only back their own peers……the difference a big house, professional job and large salary against a council house and a menial job paying the basic rate (but just as important……every job is, cos without the small boys to do the dirty jobs the big boys cannot operate, they make the money for them in most cases)……so lets see a few million pounds offered for information leading to her being found…..and can someone who is cleverer than myself start a web page where we can go and put our messages of support for her and her family…..Thanks.

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By: brandon flours

brandon flours — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:50:21 +0000

new thread

By: just_me

just_me — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:49:53 +0000

452 - yeah yeah I believe you lol

By: noseycow

noseycow — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:49:29 +0000

Just_me - i am soooooo obviousley a Martha!!! as i’m sure you realised already

By: just_me

just_me — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:46:27 +0000

449 - OK Nosey, have fwd the email to you

By: Rockhopper

Rockhopper — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:46:21 +0000

447
dcb Says:

March 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 am
“…..“The psychologist who came out to help us [Alan Pike from the Centre for Crisis Psychology in Skipton] was very good at turning our thought processes away from speculation. OK, there’s probabilities, but you don’t know that and he was very good at challenging the negatives. He was very much, ‘You will feel better after each thing that you take control of, even simple things’. We were surrounded by the Ambassador, the consul, PR crisis management, police, and he was saying ‘The decisions are yours’.”…..”

Has Alan Pike been to see the Matthews?
Have the Matthews had any government agency support?

Not that I have read.

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To be fair:
What happened to the McCanns happened abroad, the Mathews’ have had full involvement of the police which I think would include family support services.

I agree with Matt re the benefit of Mr Pike.

By: noseycow

noseycow — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:42:38 +0000

Just_me - thanks have emailed

By: Matt.

Matt. — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:40:04 +0000

447…dcb

I note your point.

But am sure the Matthew’s are much better off without the psychobabble
which is Mr A Pike.

By: dcb

dcb — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:34:59 +0000

“…..“The psychologist who came out to help us [Alan Pike from the Centre for Crisis Psychology in Skipton] was very good at turning our thought processes away from speculation. OK, there’s probabilities, but you don’t know that and he was very good at challenging the negatives. He was very much, ‘You will feel better after each thing that you take control of, even simple things’. We were surrounded by the Ambassador, the consul, PR crisis management, police, and he was saying ‘The decisions are yours’.”…..”

Has Alan Pike been to see the Matthews?
Have the Matthews had any government agency support?

Not that I have read.

By: just_me

just_me — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:34:33 +0000

442 noseycow - I dont know if Val has your email, but she just sent me one Martha or Maxine and Maxine is soooooo me lol. if you want to click my name and ‘contact me’ i will send it to you

By: noseycow

noseycow — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:34:08 +0000

Chântelaine - are we detecting a ‘distancing’ of the pink one from team mcc??

Will K’s breakdown be next??

By: Rockhopper

Rockhopper — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:33:51 +0000

443
Châtelaine
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Hmmmm, slighlty odd, might be nothing, but the comical one does like to have his tag attatched to comments doesn’t he.

By: Châtelaine

Châtelaine — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 09:27:34 +0000

438
Rockhopper Says:
March 3rd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Has Clarrie remained silent since the taxi story thing?
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Seems so.
Funny thing: I read somewhere over the weekend that “a” spokesman for MCs said something. Not “the” or “their” spokesman …