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It’s the Mirror’s “MADELEINE EXCLUSIVE”. The news is – as Anorak reported last night – that the Tapas Seven (surely the Sangria 7? –Ed) will not be returning to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing.
A source says: “They were asked informally to return, then asked again in an official letter last week. After some consideration they decided not to go back. They were concerned it would not be televised, and were bemused as to why it was happening so long after Madeleine disappeared.”
And who would play Madeleine? Her? Her? What about “Look Into My Eyes”, a TV talent show search for a Madeleine fronted by Trevor McDonald and GMTV?
Remember Kelsey: “Mummy, I could play Madeleine. I look just like her’”?
THE SUN: “No re-run for Maddie cops”
What does Lorraine Kelly think? It was she who said:
How could someone put their infant child forward as a Madeleine lookalike with the idea of making money? The child obviously has to be around the same age as Madeleine.
Is a Madeleine needed? After all, she is missing…
Unless it was to specifically aid the campaign, how could they all live with themselves for making money out of the tragic disappearance of a little girl?
It makes you recoil to think a lookalike agency would have a Madeleine on their books alongside someone who looks like Jack Nicholson or Paris Hilton.
Disgusting! To think that Maddy should be with the likes of Jack the lads or Hilton makes our flesh turn cold. It’s nothing less than sick.
DAILY MAIL: “Madeleine reconstruction scrapped after ’suspicious’ McCanns refuse to return to Portugal to take part”
The Mail has the details: The McCanns are “both doctors.”
Says a Source: “They also question why it was not to be televised and why police just want the nine and not other holidaymakers and staff to take part.”
GLASGOW DAILY RECORD: Says Clarence Mitchell:
“The friends had a number of serious questions about the value of the reconstruction and what it would do to help find Madeleine. After some discussion, they have informed the Portuguese authorities they do not intend to go back.
“Gerry and Kate have not refused to go back. They were aware of their friends’ view and they are now not needed for the reconstruction. There were a number of serious questions. For instance, why did they want to hold a reconstruction more than a year after the event?
“Why was the reconstruction not to be televised? That would have generated new leads and information but if it is not televised, how on earth is that going to help find Madeleine? Why did they only want the nine people back? Why didn’t they ask all the other holidaymakers back?
“Frankly, the police and the authorities in Portugal did not answer the simple question: what will this do to help find Madeleine?”
Do the police have to televise their police work to make it valid?
Madeleine McCann TV: are you sitting comfortably?
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May 29th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Such a horrible event. Will Maddie ever be found? We pray for each day… me, he wife and our children. What is happening to this world?
Please Jesus, come soon. We are in a terrible state.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:59 am
496 PeterMac Says:
” That is one view.
It is not one I share.”
OK, you may be different, but the uneasy feeling of not knowing what happened to a missing relative - as opposed to a deceased relative - is described by many persons who suffer(ed) this situation. Insofar it is not a matter of opinion, but a well described psychological fact.
” If KM actually thought that MM was alive and in the hands of someone, she would not be able to function at the happy smiling laughing level we have unfortunately so often been treated to. ”
As if people in troubled situations would not be able to smile or laugh at all. (Indeed if they are not able, then it’s called “depressive” and seen as a mental illness.) Also, the ability to function to a considerable degree in traumatic circumstances is an indicator of strength, and not of guilt.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:47 am
496
PeterMac Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 8:33 am
494 Ferdinand
That is one view.
It is not one I share. And from the almost total lack of action on the part of the McCs from the first minutes of the reported incident, I suspect it is not one they share either.
If KM actually thought that MM was alive and in the hands of someone, she would not be able to function at the happy smiling laughing level we have unfortunately so often been treated to.
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…as in being elegantly coiffered, going jogging within days, after having first put the remaining children in the Creche, etc etc, not the actions of a distraught parent of a missing-withiout-trace child IMHO of course
May 29th, 2008 at 8:47 am
492 - Peter Mac
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You know, you’re dead right there!
There IS definitely something that is frightening her.
Do you think G is controlling her?
He appears to take the lead role, and i notice a lot of hand-holding (nothing wrong with that i say),,, but is it some sort of signals he’s giving her i wonder.
I lost my girl in a road accident years ago, i love to talk about her and to mention her name - gave up crying after the funeral. I even forgave the lad that ran her over. I’m not comparing the Mcc’s to myself - its a different scenario.
Everyone had different ways of handling grief.
This is the most extraordinary case - have you ever come across another like it??
If they are completely innocent and have nothing to hide, (as they keep telling us)…why have they got the british government helping them, not to mention extradition lawyers Michael Caplan QC and Angus McBride, multi-millionaire financial backing, CM who gave up his role as director of the media monitoring unit at the government’s Central Office of Information to help the “innocent victims of a heinous crime”, ie, the Mcc’s……
I agree, something else is making her (them) very frightened imo.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:33 am
494 Ferdinand
That is one view.
It is not one I share. And from the almost total lack of action on the part of the McCs from the first minutes of the reported incident, I suspect it is not one they share either.
If KM actually thought that MM was alive and in the hands of someone, she would not be able to function at the happy smiling laughing level we have unfortunately so often been treated to.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Mornin
New thread.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:25 am
492 PeterMac Says:
” Yes, and it is in my view more than simply being upset. A year on, and people can normally talk about a deceased relative without choking ”
But this is not about a deceased person. It’s an ongoing thing. You can’t “move on” while you think your daughter is in the hands of somebody.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:20 am
490
PeterMac Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 8:01 am
489 Ann
As we used to say to suspects before interview. “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember what you’ve said”.
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Absolutely…because the truth is what it is and not something invented, and the longer this farce goes on, the harder it must be for them to remember what they said. Also - if I had to listen to Kate’s mumblings and verbal stumblings for too long, I think I’d change my Doctor !!
May 29th, 2008 at 8:15 am
491 irish girl spain
“K certainly gets very twitchy and nervy when she mentions M’s name”
Yes, and it is in my view more than simply being upset. A year on, and people can normally talk about a deceased relative without choking, even though they still find it upsetting. But it does not totally trash their speech patterns.
Even if it is a function of being on the edge of tears, the language that people speak ‘though the tears’ is still coherent and more or less well ordered.
My diagnosis, as a complete amateur, with a degree in psychology and 30 years as a cop, 7 as a detective, is that something else is making her very frightened.
May 29th, 2008 at 8:05 am
488
Peter Mac
“You’ve er, like, got a, y’know, thing that you’ve, er, got to try to, y’know whoosh, clunk, so y’know take, er, some of these things every, erm, y’know and …and… you should be better in a week”
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the girl in the farmacia here must have gone to med school with K - i got hayfever tablets and she told me to take 1 ermm today, and ermmm yesterday take 2
K certainly gets very twitchy and nervy when she mentions M’s name.imo
May 29th, 2008 at 8:01 am
489 Ann
As we used to say to suspects before interview. “If you tell the truth, you don’t have to remember what you’ve said”.
And all that stuff about being stressed because of the media attention. Also total rot. Doctors are used to speaking in public, they do it to groups of students, to nurses, to seminars, to meetings. It is part of their profession. Some are better than others, but they all have some training and practice .
May 29th, 2008 at 7:52 am
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PeterMac Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 7:48 am
Agree wholeheartedly, stress and trying to remember withiout a written script, all that has gone before !!
May 29th, 2008 at 7:48 am
475 annie1
” - then I do feel that some of the phrases used and the hesitant staccato of Kates voice is due a lot to her colloquial accent. To a certain extent this also applies to Gerry”
But, I repeat, these are intelligent educated people, in a profession where accuracy and precision is paramount. It is inconceivable that KM would speak that way in a consultation .
“You’ve er, like, got a, y’know, thing that you’ve, er, got to try to, y’know whoosh, clunk, so y’know take, er, some of these things every, erm, y’know and …and… you should be better in a week”
For this reason I have formed the strong opinion that her speech patterns when talking about MM are caused purely by stress.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:44 am
IMHO the police have already read the text messages and know the person Gerry apparently texted. I personally believe they might have just needed it to be approved to take it as evidence in court, but most likely got thrown out since it would be illegal and could be used as defence. Just a theory..
May 29th, 2008 at 7:34 am
THE parents of missing Madeleine McCann might be charged with neglect, it was officially confirmed last night.
Court papers revealed Portuguese investigators were considering the “abandonment” charge.
But they were also looking at abduction, homicide and concealment of a corpse, the documents showed.
The McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell said it did not mean they WOULD be charged.
And he said the couple were pleased that detectives were considering abduction as a theory.
Gerry and Kate McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leics, deny any involvement in Maddie’s disappearance.
She vanished aged three from a holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, last May as they dined with friends.
The couple could be jailed for ten years if charged and convicted.
The papers also reveal prosecutors wanted to see text messages between the McCanns and their friends — but the Supreme Court turned down the request.
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This from the “Sun”………….
May 29th, 2008 at 7:33 am
482 irish girl spain
Interesting out the choice of crimes being considered.
‘The first published court ruling on the Madeleine case confirms that the police inquiry covers homicide, abandonment, concealment of a corpse and abduction.’
Times picks neglect, Telegraph picks negligence, Sky well Sky complains it took so long for the appeal to rules ,Correio da Manhã picks homicide and guess what Clearance picks - yes abduction of course
But at least Sky says
‘The court document refers to one telephone that has not been identified, which sent Gerry McCann 14 texts the day before Madeleine’s disappearance and four the day after.’
I never knew what the basis for the Tapas 10 was before but now I know or at least I would know if the appeal had succeeded. No stone unturned
Must go now
May 29th, 2008 at 7:31 am
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val Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:36 am
465 jo
I saw a photo of Gerry today at his front door receiving two Top Lawyers who
charge about £6-700 per hour. The photo was taken just after they returned from
Portugal………you wouldn”t believe the number of different Lawyers they have sought
advice from and since they can”t use the Fund for Legal fees, what are they going to
do when the Legal Fund runs out!!!!!! It was started with the £100,000 Richard
Branson contributed, maybe another couple of donors, I don”t know. Must be nearly
depleted by now.
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Not only depleted but hardly likely to be topped up by “concerned ” donors now I wouldn’t imagine, and I should think Branson et al, are feeling decidedly sheepish by now, but - having said that - it would have been a tax relief for them anyway so I don’t suppose it matters that much to them.
Also - if none of the Dippy Seven or the McCanns, are going to go back to Portugal to help themselves, then no-one else is going to feel the urge to continue helping them, and I did see briefly on the news that the Portuguese Police were considering charging the McCanns with neglect or something, must keep watching and see more on that but it could also explain just why they won’t dare go back !!
May 29th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Morning all
Matt
Well the Times revelations from the nonevent of the court ruling on the failed appeal
to permit access to the content of the mobile phone evidence is most interesting
It mentions Tapas 10 mobile telephones belong to T9 group??? why would the Tapas 9 have an extra mobile phone? Also the transcript mentions rather a lot of unidentifed phone messages TO G when he was having a normal holiday on the 2May.
‘Telephone number as yet unidentified which during May 2 2007 sent 14 written SMS messages to G.M. and another 4 on the day following M.M.’s disappearance’.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:08 am
Good morning
From The TimesMay 29, 2008
Madeleine McCann’s parents investigated for neglect
“”Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, said: “We are pleased to see that the investigation covers abduction. Kate and Gerry have had legal advice in both Portugal and Britain which say that everything they did was within the boundaries of reasonable behaviour.” “”
…….”pleased”?…..
So that’s ok then Clarrie?
“”"”The reference to “abandonment” suggests that Portuguese detectives are investigating if there is evidence that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving their daughter alone on the night she was reported missing. The charge carries a maximum 10-year jail sentence.”"”"
excellent news
May 29th, 2008 at 6:01 am
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chenier Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
327
Cheryl Says:
Sorry for the lateness, Chenier, have been out rest of the day and evening on family matters. I picked up on the McCanns not wanting to return from what I read on here from what some of the posters were writing. Now, could I be misinterpreting what some were saying - possibly. But that is the interpretations I got from some I read before I had to leave. And there have been posters over the past week saying they wouldn’t go over. However, Chenier, that doesn’t change my mind about my feelings I wouldn’t return over there after the research I’ve done. I have the highest respect for the new investigator and have from the moment he took over. But the bad taste that Amaral and his men left me with with their supposed lack of proper police procedures, etc. I wouldn’t return. To be honest I don’t think for a second the Investigator is playing games at all or setting them up or whatever to get them over there. My feelings have been he was trying to tie up loose ends by his trip to the UK and then asking them all to come over there before he makes a decision on what to do re this case. Yet I don’t know what legal rights the McCanns would have or protection once they returned to a foreign country and would be at their mercy.
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edited in italics
-meercat
May 29th, 2008 at 4:58 am
Thank you so much.
May 29th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Funny how people ridicule the 24horas but it was the first paper to expose the court ruling - the same one every media outlet in the world who still care for the sordid McCann affair, are now following! Not only that but this ”rag” as some call it, is one of the most read newspapers in Portugal and abroad. There’s a Portuguese and a US version.
And it’s no doubt interesting to see how a tabloid - 24horas newspaper, with very little resources beats up any Brit tabloid or formerly respected newspaper of formerly respected news corporations.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:58 am
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Fair Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Jo
As much as I respect Joana’s work I promised myself ages ago that I would not go onto her site again as it F**ks up my computer!! And it did again. As you can see from the time of my response that is the time it has taken me to get rid of it + hibernating & troubleshooting! I know others have also complained in the past.
I will NOT do it again. GRRR!!
BUT for you I did!
The article talks about neglect. We know they can face charges of neglect!
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Fair can you please tell me what the problem is exactly? The blog has template which runs better in Firefox than in Internet Explorer, which do you use? Can you describe what exactly happens, please? thank you very much.
M&A
The link for the PDF Jo has given you does not include that specific article 138º from the Portuguese Penal Code - that is only translated until article 130º but the site where it comes from Verbo Jurídico has an extensive collection of the changes to the penal code and more - well organized and updated daily.
Another site that is in Portuguese, English and French languages wich I find very useful is http://www.gddc.pt/ - an official site maintained by the Portuguese General attorney office - Procuradoria Geral da República (PGR) - that has relevant legislation to understand the procedures and the Portuguese Criminal Law.
For the specific article 138º Exposure or abandonment [Artigo 138.º - Exposição ou abandono] see the site from the Public Ministry (only Portuguese language):
http://www.pgdlisboa.pt/pgdl/leis/lei_mostra_articulado.php?ficha=141&artigo_id=&nid=109&pagina=8&tabela=leis&nversao=
Portuguese:
Artigo 138.º Exposição ou abandono
1 - Quem colocar em perigo a vida de outra pessoa:
a) Expondo-a em lugar que a sujeite a uma situação de que ela, só por si, não possa defender-se; ou
b) Abandonando-a sem defesa, sempre que ao agente coubesse o dever de a guardar, vigiar ou assistir;
2 - Se o facto for praticado por ascendente ou descendente, adoptante ou adoptado da vítima, o agente é punido com pena de prisão de 2 a 5 anos.
3 - Se do facto resultar:
a) Ofensa à integridade física grave, o agente é punido com pena de prisão de 2 a 8 anos;
b) A morte, o agente é punido com pena de prisão de 3 a 10 anos
English:
Portuguese Penal Code
Article 138º Exposure or abandonment
1 - Whom endangers the life of another person:
a) By exposing her in a place where the person is subject to a situation which she cannot defend herself from on her own; or
b) By abandoning her in a defenseless state, for motive of age, physical defect or illness, when the agent had the duty to guard, watch or assist to the person;
is punished with a prison term of 1 to 5 years.
2 - If the fact is practised by an ascendant or descendant, adoptant or adoptee of the victim, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 5 years.
3 - If the fact results in:
a) Serious offense to the physical integrity, the agent is punished with a prison term of 2 to 8 years;
b) Death, the agent is punished with a prison term of 3 to 10 years.
Please allow the post with the two links, I believe it’s important for people who distrust my work or translations to see what I post has indeed official sources. Thank you. JM
[o.k. exception made in this instance - dr]
May 29th, 2008 at 1:49 am
Maria why are you afraid of work?!
May 29th, 2008 at 1:30 am
473
Totje Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 1:10 am
472 annie1 Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:59 am
I wonder why - if as jo says - the pj have all the evidence they need, then why take so long to make a move?
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Good question. I think because what she says is not a fact but is what she hopes.
In fact I too hope the pj has all the evidence, but about whom or what I think we can’t be sure. But I’m afraid they don’t and Madeleine will get no Justice. And may be, may be [IF abducted] some serious dangerous deranged person is still walking free and even may be targetting his/her new victim.
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Ditto. I do hope they do have the evidence to charge someone, though.
I’ve already said “Good night” once and gone to bed! …but popped back to see if you were around. I’ll be away for a while (work, I’m afraid) so maybe everything will be solved when I come back….mmmmmm!
Did you say Animal Farm or Anorak Farm? Sadly, I’ve obviously only got two legs…..!
I think you may have four, though?! I’m going to try and grow two more…….. Or maybe I won’t bother!
MUST really go now but wanted to say “Bye!”
Hope Yampster replied?!
Night all.
May 29th, 2008 at 1:16 am
I honestly do feel that the McCanns have been seen to be covering their own backs and not moving foreward with the search for their daughter. This is the main reason why so many people are convinced that they know more about the situation than they are letting on. There has been speculation raised from comments made by the McCanns, but although I have no time whatsoever for the pair and the way they have acted - then I do feel that some of the phrases used and the hesitant staccato of Kates voice is due a lot to her colloquial accent. To a certain extent this also applies to Gerry
May 29th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Now why does Animal Farm come to my mind?
All men are equal, but some are more equal then others.
Night all.
Yampster around to do your job?
May 29th, 2008 at 1:10 am
472 annie1 Says:
May 29th, 2008 at 12:59 am
I wonder why - if as jo says - the pj have all the evidence they need, then why take so long to make a move?
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Good question. I think because what she says is not a fact but is what she hopes.
In fact I too hope the pj has all the evidence, but about whom or what I think we can’t be sure. But I’m afraid they don’t and Madeleine will get no Justice. And may be, may be [IF abducted] some serious dangerous deranged person is still walking free and even may be targetting his/her new victim.
May 29th, 2008 at 12:59 am
I wonder why - if as jo says - the pj have all the evidence they need, then why take so long to make a move?
May 29th, 2008 at 12:49 am
469
jo
You’re wrong. Better reread the transcripts.
They don’t get access to the sms/mms nor to the phone calls [if recorded]. According to the ruling, the contents of the messages could only “be the object of real-time interception, with due judicial authorization”.
They did get [according to Clarrie] Kate & Gerry’s telephone and computer records from them.
And [I think] they’ve got by triangulation the whereabouts of the phones. Can’t be sure who was using it then, is it? And can’t be sure how exact these triangulation is, as it depends on the number of -what’t it called- antenna’s?
May 29th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Val, Annie
I am off to bed.
Good night