Madeleine McCann: Justice Hogg Says, Portugal Reacts And No Evidence
MADDIE WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY STAR: “COPS GIVE UP MADDIE DOSSIERS!”
POLICE yesterday agreed to show Madeleine McCann’s parents 81 witness statements. The couple’s detectives will study the confidential documents and re-interview the witnesses.
And what have we learned so far, after 14 months of inbestigating – other thn a child is missing?
Her GP mum Kate and heart consultant dad Gerry, both 40.
Says High Court Judge Mrs Justice Hogg: At the court in London, the judge said:
“There is, of course, one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine and where she may be found.
“I ponder about that person – whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.
“I entreat that person, whoever they may be, to show mercy and compassion and come forward now and tell us where Madeleine is to be found.”
DAILY MAIL: “Judge’s impassioned plea to Madeleine abductor: ‘Show mercy’”
The judge’s unequivocal support for the McCanns is likely to attract criticism in Portugal, where there has been resentment over perceived interference in the case by the British Government.
Likely? The Mail offers no evidence of any criticism.
THE GUARDIAN: “Police disclose possible leads to McCanns”
So let’s review the facts:
The couple’s counsel, Tim Scott QC, told the judge yesterday there was no proof that Madeleine was alive, “but there is not a scrap of evidence that she is not”.
Madeleine McCann: The no news news story

July 8th, 2008 at 8:07 am
hello
July 8th, 2008 at 8:09 am
The couple’s counsel, Tim Scott QC, told the judge yesterday there was no proof that Madeleine was alive, “but there is not a scrap of evidence that she is not”.
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I beg to differ ! Woof Woof !
July 8th, 2008 at 8:15 am
mornin’ all

how long can these odious people expect us to believe maddie is alive?
how many more sightings?
I’m bored shitless by this pantomime
have fun folks
i surely will…
and not here
July 8th, 2008 at 8:17 am
hmmm
let me think about that one while I get dressed!
I have gone through every scenario I can think off, I am sure I have done this one too.
My first thought is, Kate seems too selfish to be that martyr- like in her demeanor !
July 8th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Ade
Miss you!!!!!!!
xxxx
July 8th, 2008 at 8:20 am
allo ade how’s life in the bottom pasture?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:27 am
unless Kate was the administer, Gerry chatted and never checked, and RoB wanted to report it, Gerry panicked and said no, and he took charge from there.
Allegedly possible maybe IMO.
But after all this time surely one would have cracked?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:28 am
‘one of them’
I havent gone all posh!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Clarrie was meant to be on the BBC this morning. Apparently the police were forced to hand over their files to the McCanns!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:33 am
I will never believe anything ever again!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:33 am
See you later.
Glad to see you back Ade!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:41 am
The couple’s counsel, Tim Scott QC, told the judge yesterday there was no proof that Madeleine was alive, “but there is not a scrap of evidence that she is not”.
And so, your Honour, if we follow that through, the setting up of the fund was an act which may have been designed to deceive, particularly since at no time did the McCanns ever say to the public who gave so generously and ingenuously, that there was no proof that their daughter was alive. Specifically the evidence from other sources, including the highly efficient cadaver dogs, lead many thinking people to tend to the view that she was not.
I am therefore compelled to withdraw from this brief.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Petermac
Were they just pussyfooting as not to get sued?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:49 am
14 Bf
I think so. They want to keep the brief. There is money in it.
Always follow the money !!!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Petermac !
There seems to be a collection of ‘I was duped’ memoires to be sold too !
July 8th, 2008 at 9:44 am
The couple must IMHO know that Maddie will never be found so it is all systems go now, films, suing whoever whenever, and there will be great makememoney going on. All we need now is someone to break loose and spill the beans, and won’t that be something.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Even last night the media was quiet about all this, so its hardly favourable news for the fragrant duo….and if I were they I should think about my legal team….
July 8th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Lyn ,
I don’t really think so, people would want MM to be the heroine, and she has seemingly disappeared forever and a day….the sunset scene on her parents wouldn’t be the same.
Anyway most people are bored to tears with K&G
July 8th, 2008 at 9:54 am
What news there is does seem to have a slant that the McC won the right to the bits of info…
July 8th, 2008 at 10:05 am
JuneJohnson 18
Do you think the interested has shifted from K&G then, and is far more focused on Madeleiene? She is of course the only one that matters isn’t she, wherever she is. Remains are often found many years after someone disappears though, and if Maddie has been buried, do hope this will be the case. IMO my hope is that one of the group will talk too much.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Gandolf, thanks for the reply on the previous thread. I will repeat part of your quote from the judgement:
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There is at least one person who knows what happened. I ponder whether that person has a heart and to consider what it is like for Madeline to be secreted from her siblings. Whether than person has a conscience, remorse or cares about hurt caused to an innocent child; whether he has faith and what justification he will give to his God. I entreat that person to show mercy and compassion and to tell us where Madeleine is. I hope she will be found very soon alive and well. I confirm the wardship will continue. “
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The Press Association quote is slightly different:
“There is, of course, one person who knows what has happened to Madeleine and where she may be found,” the judge said.
“I ponder about that person - whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.
“I ponder whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt or remorse or even cares about the hurt that has been caused to an innocent little girl, and whether that person has a faith or belief and what explanation or justification they might give to God.
“I entreat that person, whoever they may be, to show mercy and compassion and come forward now and tell us where Madeleine is to be found. I hope she will be found soon, alive and well.”
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the latter talks about one person, your quote says “at least one” person. Your quote says M is being secreted from her siblings, the Press Association mentions the parents and others.
Either way the reference to God with a capital G leaves me in no doubt this is a plea to a particular individual with strong Judaic/Christian beliefs. Anyone else and the plea would fall on stony ground…
July 8th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Lyn, I think interest has just drained away. I think J Hogg has tried to shift the focus back but Iam not sure too many people will read all her words.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Scarlett
Even a rusty catholic ??
July 8th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Scarlett, I think J Hogg has skillfully made a statement most people can take heart from.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:18 am
21 Scarlett Says:
” Either way the reference to God with a capital G leaves me in no doubt this is a plea to a particular individual with strong Judaic/Christian beliefs. Anyone else and the plea would fall on stony ground… ”
It could apply as well to other monotheistic religions.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:24 am
It seemed a bit bitchy in here last night
July 8th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Mrs Justice Hogg may know more than we think. Just reading her statement makes me think that she is appealing to someone with a so-called Christian background, or at least someone who attends a church. Maybe this is her way of trying to get the truth out of someone. Doubt very much that this will work as someone has to be very hard indeed to harm or secrete a child away. I feel the sentence - “Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with”- IMO I don’t think Maddie had much of that in the offering. I do feel she was not a wanted child and a bit of a nuisance to someone. IMHO that is.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Just a few thoughts……..All my opinions………
Maybe the 81 pieces of evidence were in fact needed to create a time line of where everybody was when the sightings were made. If they were false sightings generated from the camp to confuse and waste police time it would make sense to set up alibis at the time these sightings were made. Maybe in the early days the records of who in the team reported what and where were lost or not transcribed. It would help them place themselves away from ip addresses, std areas where calls originated from etc. Just a thought.
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M and A
Just as well they have got the 81 pieces back then?
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Another thought………
Also I thought Justice Hoggs address seemed a little like a personal plea to one person. One person with religeous beliefs who is struggling with his ‘Justification with God’. This brings to mind the local Priest (one of a few Priests who make an appearance) who early on said he was tricked or some such thing then went missing and dropped off the radar. The papal backing disappeared too. So I reckon…IMO… the Priest and maybe the Pope and his advisors know a little more than most and Justice Hogg has decided to put the pressure on the church, maybe with advice from the PJ and the British police, to hopefully get the cloth to cough up! One could swap the word ‘person’ with ‘priest’ in her address.
‘I ponder about that person - whether that person has a heart and might understand what it must be like for Madeleine to have been taken and secreted from her parents and siblings and those she loved and felt secure with.
Whether that person has a conscience or any feeling of guilt or remorse or even cares about the hurt that has been caused to an innocent little girl, and whether that person has a faith or belief and what explanation or justification they might give to God
“I entreat that person, whoever they may be, to show mercy and compassion and come forward now and tell us where Madeleine is to be found. I hope she will be found soon, alive and well ‘
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But you could also swap the word ‘person’ with the word ‘friend’.
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M and A
Person could also just be person?
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Another thought……..I’m in New Zealand and regularly listen to talksport .co.uk on the net. They made headlines of “McCanns cleared by PJ’ (which made me scramble to Anorak) and I don’t doubt a lot of other media reported the same thing. I just wondered if any of these media has since corrected that statement.
Although I think justice will be done one way or another it is slightly worrying to read, hear and watch the crazy reporting on the whole affair. You would think that one news paper, TV or radio station out of all of them would have a reporter focusing beyond the spin and give the common people a true indication of where the case is and true analysis of what really is going on. I know that what I read on here helps me see a lot that my TV, paper fueled Aunty can’t. She does not like my theories and thinks I’m twisted for even entertaining the thought that there could be a major cover up of manslaughter or murder. She is adamant the PJ are at fault as are all her friends at church. This all via various bias reporting and spin that goes unchallenged.
What I’m saying is people need access to balanced reporting. Which I fear is lost. If this case is anything to go by what else are we being force fed?
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M and A
Its all spin, best to wait to hear from the Portuguese legal system, which is due July/Aug
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Another thought….. Arsenal and Huntelaar to win everything next year.
Another thought……Haven’t had much luck with the moderators. Hope I haven’t surpassed any boundries if so edit at will.
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M and A
We edit where necessary
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Finally………a follow up post for lone pigeon and the odd mod. Odd as in one of a few.
Rothley News, page 6…..After reports of two drunk women fighting outside a seemingly condemned building over a bottle of wine, both yelling”He’s mine”, police on arrival, found the place deserted. Inside they found three computers, some stained blankets, several empty wine flagons, a bucket of shit and a list of sightings, some marked ‘not reported yet’. Police are looking for two women wearing dark anoraks, and both wearing fingerless gloves and coloured wristbands. They will be chattering inanely have unkempt hair and more likely than not be inebriated . Do not reproach. Could be accompanied by a man 4′3″ shabbily dressed with a lobotomy scar and odd shoes. Name withheld, piece of evidence #82.
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M and A
Believe me, if we had our way the whole saga would be dropped.
And the odd mod, or even the even one would rather drink in comfort, although the scenario you describe could suit a few of our blocked bastards, sorry posters, a bad slur on bastards
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July 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am
very good willo very good indeed
July 8th, 2008 at 10:48 am
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Melanie Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 10:24 am
It seemed a bit bitchy in here last night
why what was you saying?