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“she noted that Mr Brown was “nice and supportive” — but that she “felt a bit emotional after”.

She ONLY feels emtional after the PM calls her?
Has she ever felt emotional over Madeleines unexplicable disappearance?
Kate Maccanns,you are the greatest wanker to this day and it is still time for you to make a U turn and take a giant step out of your very small mind

Fuck you for allowing Madeleine to go
Fuck for allowing WHATEVER was happening and HAS happened to Madeleine
Fuck you for believing you are “untouchable”
You are a hard,insentive BITCH
I despise you and your kind

I like the way the Sun twists, I mean spins the political pressure angle from a scandal into a sympathy vote.

The Mirror story, isn’t that a bit of regurge from a story this weekend from another paper? Pretty sure it is, and verbatim too.

No proof of abduction, plenty of proof of death, anyway, see what the head of Portugal’s Forensic services thinks on Joana Morais, he thinks that there is a case to answer (and he agrees with Amaral’s conclusions), and the Portuguese press continues to reveal the extent of interference in the UK in this case.

Good Morning Folks,

I have been away for several days with an extremely painful arm, now blissfully numb, but little more useable for that. Typing is exceedingly difficult, but I am moved to persevere, having read through some of the bitter exchanges last night. Then, if you will excuse me, my poor arm is going back in its sling!

I came into Anorak because I believe passionately in the necessity for ‘free speech’. ‘Free speech’ in parenthesis, for of course, we are accountable to the law of the land, and the concept of ‘free’ speech is thus constrained.

I worked for many years at the heart of the British Legal System, in an area where decisions are never reported, not open for public debate, and thus, in my opinion, unaccountable in a democracy. I was thus fully aware of the misery that is created when lives are impacted by decisions made only on the basis of the ‘establishment’ view.

Beforehand, I had toiled for an equal number of years, in the aptly named ‘street of shame’, a phrase with deep resonance these days. I understand too, the pressures on the media. The function of the media should be to report the news – that which is new and of public interest. However, in a capitalist society, there is an equal pressure – profitability. This has always been an inherent tension, and the life of an editor who fails to maintain a balance can be nasty, brutish and short.

By providing an arena for debate on the way in which the media handled these tensions, Anorak was a breath of fresh air. True democracy at work. It is a fragile flower.

Anorak is not a ‘message board’, as some who seek to post items which are barred from display elsewhere, have imagined. It is a place to debate the reasons why such items have been barred from display elsewhere.

Anorak is not a ‘chat room’, where only those of a like mind can gather to natter. It is a place to debate the reasons why some views are unacceptable elsewhere.

Anorak is not a free form ‘support group’ for Tourette sufferers, where new forms of foul language can be tried out, ad infinitum. It is a place where an open exchange of views can occur.

Anorak is not a version of ‘Room 101’, where those who hold opposing views can come to be re-educated, silenced, ridiculed, or put in their place. It is a place where your point of view can be considered by other adults.

My own preference, since life is too short, is for this to be done in a humorous and good natured manner.

As a moderator, I have come under attack for believing that both versions of the sad Madeleine saga should be discussed. Such discussion is seen as somehow ‘pre-empting’ a court decision on guilt or innocence. It is not. It is working to ensure that all available lines of enquiry are equally explored, not stifled.

As a moderator, I have only ever sought to block two posters. One who committed a gross contempt of court and who subsequently refused to give the editor an undertaking that he would not repeat it; and another sad individual who apparently had no opinion but was nightly disrupting the forum with his efforts to practise his repertoire of foul language.

I have, on numerous occasions, edited posts so that the general opinion remains to be heard, but in a form that is not libellous or harmful to Anorak.

Robert Murat’s lawyer, Louis Charalambous told the Press Gazette: ‘Readers of The Sun, Mirror, Express and Star were told lie after lie about my clients. It brings into question how much more of their paper’s news coverage they can rely on.’

Do you really want to live in a world where only one point of view can be heard? Where the only information in your newspaper is the ‘establishment’ point of view?

I don’t see new posters as having invaded Anorak in any sense. They have flocked to Anorak for the same reason I did, to uphold one of the last bastions of supervising the tension between reporting and profit making.

I am greatly saddened when I see any poster disappear into the ether; all opinions are equally valuable.

It is that cacophony of opinions that we term Democracy.

Carmen
THANK YOU

Take care

Hey BF

Modding on here can’t be fun, I thought it was bad in the soccer-ball, in fact it is, it’s a bit like child-minding, or something, but without the pay…

Then again I lost many friends over this McSee thing, hence ending up here myself (I needed to see other people thinking and writing what I was thinking and writing).

Now, a last post before I go
Amaral is NOT accusing anybody
About the dirty bit which has provoked the big warning for blogs and forums,he is ONLY relating to peoples depositions in May 2007 ,given to the L.police and only joined to the files in January 2008.
He does not hold any responsability for peoples witnessing,does he? :he ONLY relates them and soon the files will be made public ….unless……???
Have a good day all and like Brandon says : THINK

Just a reminder

On Monday April 28 2008
“McCanns may write book on Madeleine disappearance”

“It’s a legitimate way of raising money for the fund, but would also give them [the McCanns] a chance to put across their side of the story.”

“In the film, GP Kate, 40, says she still hopes her daughter is alive and describes the ordeal as “a long year of hell”.

What about Madeleines year of HELL?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/28/madeleinemccann.booksnews

Carmen… I have to ask, is the bad arm due to typing?

I have been in agony for months, pins and needles from shoulder to finger tips at best and at worst shoulder agony that keeps me awake and makes me want to chop it off myself! left arm and I’m left handed. I write and type around 4000 words a day but am not a trained typist so hands go everywhere…….
Just wondered…… I’m avoiding the doctor for the time being so looking for tips elsewhere!

Okay…. back to Madeleine… or rather not as I’m not stopping. I have to stay away from all forums!

M and A

C&C

Carmen suffers from carpel tunnel problems, and from what she has described of the symptoms, they seem very similar to yous, btw she is also a needlewoman….

Carmen Says:
July 28th, 2008 at 8:45 am

Good to see you back, even if it is temporary, and thank you for putting into words my very vague thoughts last night.

I shall continue thinking about it…

babyjane… I use a mouse and try to swop hands. Very hard to get used to! I can’t cope with a touchpad on the laptop so I plug a mouse in…… I take painkillers all the time which is very bad.

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Willo… IMO, Amaral is throwing a hissy fit because he was sacked from the investigation. It was reported that one of his own officers declared him to be intransigent and prone to making snap judgements and not being prepared to change his focus.
I don’t think the PJ tried hard to keep him. He is betraying them all…..

Voice Software ?

Tried a few packages over the years. Never found one that was any good. My Scottish accent defied them all

28/07/08
Policeman irritates Kate for not offering coffee - Correio da Manhã

What about the toasts?
Her Highness is a very angry woman,isnt she?

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/

M&A

I’m sure there is sympathy within the PJ on a personal level, but I don’t think he is being used as a hunting dog to flush the prey from undercover

And as Artemis, I should know

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If it could get around political interference and get the McCanns in court why not. The PJ have and are getting piles of crap thrown at them from the English (stands up) enough to maybe warrant a different approach. They seem pretty quiet on the whole affair.
Say hi to Apollo.

C and C

There seem to be two main basic possibilities :

(a) Amaral is hurt, humiliated at being sacked from the case and bitter about finishing an otherwise seuccessful career on a note of “failure”. He found himself out of his depth as a “little employee” (his words) in this case with its international profile. He also authorised all those leaks to the press.
He is also facing trial for perjury in another case of a missing child whose mother claims the police tortured her. The presumption of innocence MUST prevail but Amaral is not just an arguido; he has been charged and faces trial. Whatever the outcome (and I hope he is found not guilty), that will be an unpleasant and humiliating experience for him. And mud sticks, as we know only too well! The mud of being an arguido sticks, never mind the mud of having gone to trial.
The book is, effectively, a combined attempt to rescue his professional reputation by showing that there were good reasons why he was so fixated on the Mcs’ guilt in faking an abduction and a revenge against the British police and the Mcs themselves. He has decided to embarrass them as much as possible.
He is making a wad of cash to make his enforced (???) retirement a bit more pleasant.

(b) Amaral was deliberately silenced as he was getting near the truth. The British police, the PJ, the two Governments, the FSS, the NHS………all lied and/or delayed in varying degrees to prevent the truth coming out. The Lisbon Treaty was not signed by Gordon Brown until he was sure this was going to happen. Rebelo has not led an honourable and thorough investigation but has either messed up the whole thing and failed to discover what was so obvious to Amaral (why didn’t A tell him?) or found the truth but has been forced to keep silent or the truth was deliberately kept from him.
To make matters even worse, if that were possible, the Portuguese AG has knowingly lied.

If Amaral’s book is straightforwardly true, then some version or other of (a) or (b) is, presumably, more or less correct.

If Amaral has sat on real evidence only to reproduce it in his book (or even has still kept stuff to himself, as he has indicated) then he will be in bother. As one of the top policemen said a couple of days ago (can’t remember now who it was), such evidence should have been put forward to keep the case open, not to write a book.

I feel rather sorry for Rebelo in all this.

And it has to be said that a thorough investigation of the parents should have been seen to have been undertaken from day one. No use suggesting a reconstruction twelve months on. It should have been done at the time, as suggested by the parents. No use waiting several months before consulting the top forensic people (who lied anyway, it would seem!) and no use allowing the apartment to be rented out again.

But who was leading the investigation at that time?

I hope the full truth will come out of all this.