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THE SUN: “Hol mum of left girl faces jail”
To Portugal…
A BRITISH mum whose daughter was taken into care on holiday faces up to ten years in jail.
It’s “cash-strapped Stephanie Bysh”.
What do we know about here?
She a brunette. And, as reported, she and one Ariella D’Gamo were “sleeping on the streets before a friend took them in. The worried pal took the eight-year-old girl to cops in Lagos, Portugal. She is now staying at a children’s home.”
How does Madeleine McCann fit in?
Bysh fled the resort — near where Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007 — but collapsed with kidney problems in Portimao 15 miles away.
That close, eh. Yesterday the incident was 25 miles from where our Maddie went missing. Such are the facts.
DAILY MAIL: “Fears the ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’ has been killed by her own mother and grandfather”
You mean Rose Ron’s grandfather who told police that he had killed the 4-year-old?
What more of their Maddie?
At its heart lies the bizarre love triangle in which little Rose’s grandfather fell in love with his son’s young bride and fathered two more daughters with her. Police say the grandfather has admitted killing the child and dumping her in a river, but no body has been found and there is no forensic evidence proving her death.
Just like our Maddie, then? It’s uncanny.
Ha’aretz (Israel): “’Sick twist’: World media plays up story of ‘Israeli Madeleine McCann’”
Rose Ron is missing. She’s been given the nickname Maddie…
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August 29th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Cool & Charm. I wonder if your so disruptive in your Weight Watchers class.
Can Imagine Aunty Phil and C & C saying” Those scales are Portugese, they can’t weigh up anything right”.
More pounds between them than the fund.
August 29th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
The Real Stig said a little earlier:
C & C
“Gooses and ganders and sauces springs to mind here!”
Not when you let one or more of the inmates run the institution without due supervision.
-agw: As you seem to be a fellow traveller even a captive slave of this Bedlam Stig, I presume you will stoop as low as the herd norm in this thread and be more than willing to grass up the alleged offender?
Please do and I’ll see if we can’t kill the goose, gander and renegade hawk in one fowl stroke of the quill.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Pamela… I thought someone said Facebook Scrabble was being withdrawn after complaints from Hasbro(?) A friend of mine is addicted. Mind you Facebook itself is an addiction.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
bloody hell new thread
August 29th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
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Pamela Says:
August 29th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Jes/ Gez/ Jez–whatever–Wilkins says that, while he was walking his restless child, he saw a woman he later identified as Jane Tanner, outside the McCann’s apartment block, wearing a purple dress. AM. I. WRONG?
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Yes but that was earlier when it was LIGHT. It doesn’t mean Jane Tanner could determine colours with the same degree of accuracy later when it was DARK.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Pamela
introduce your new crop to anagrams
nearly choked….had a corny leek
full english…she fill lung
tiny tears…ray sent it
one of my favourite topics that and the clone thingy
August 29th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
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Pamela Says:
August 29th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Ad hominem.
I have just thought of an AMAZING assignment for my new crop! I’ll assign them a thread and ask them to identify the fallacies. I mean, it is rather like shooting fish in a barrel, but they’re only freshmen after all.
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Be sure to tell your freshmen the importance of sunset times in the context of positive identification evidence.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
New thread, people!
August 29th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Jes/ Gez/ Jez–whatever–Wilkins says that, while he was walking his restless child, he saw a woman he later identified as Jane Tanner, outside the McCann’s apartment block, wearing a purple dress. AM. I. WRONG?
Holy effing cow!
If I wasn’t kicking my little brother-in-law’s hind end at Facebook Scrabble, I would absolutely log off in mock exasperation!
August 29th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Clouseau, ah yes the coded blogs, have you ever seen that old B&W movie “Hue and Cry”?
August 29th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
AZ
you have to spoil everthing…ah well back to the coded blogs for me
New thread
August 29th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I had thought that the ‘Lady in a Purple Dress’ was seen at 8.15 pm, prior to it getting dark.
Sunset in Lisbon on 3/5/2007 was 8.30 pm; I doubt that PdL would be radically different….
August 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
SBG, I think it was a Babelfish mistranslation that said the Paynes had two sons. See the translation from Marie Nicholas 1.49 pm 28 august 2008 (this thread) - the reference is to the Paynes two CHILDREN followed by their (female) names.
August 29th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Ad hominem.
I have just thought of an AMAZING assignment for my new crop! I’ll assign them a thread and ask them to identify the fallacies. I mean, it is rather like shooting fish in a barrel, but they’re only freshmen after all.
(Coco, dear, please feel free to go wildly alliterative! There are plenty “P’s” past “pious”!)
August 29th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
it all stinks and we are going round in circles much like clearance
August 29th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Pamela, this is what you said.
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Now, tell me again how the guy talking to Gerry in the street was able to accurately describe the color of HER dress?
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Your words are ambiguous to say the least. The “guy” (Jes Wilkins) went out at 8.15/8.30 to take his young son for a walk in his buggy. At that time it would not have been dark in PDL. If Jes saw a woman in a purple dress at that point, visibility would’ve been far better, there would have been some daylight left.
His meeting with Gerry is said to have been around 9.10. By this point it WOULD have been dark, and the street would have been lit with a kind of sodium lighting that alters perception of colours. (That’s why a red-haired person looks brown-haired under street lamps.)
It’s also interesting that on the sketch plan Jane supplied to the PJ, Jes and Gerry were on her side of the road, and by the time of the McCannorama programme they had moved to the other side.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
SBG:
Very interesting point.
I have always wondered who put out those videos, and why - except to place M firmly in Portugal on that holiday.
I’ve also always been curious about the fact that staff at El Paraiso insisted Madeleine and family were there on My 3, when Gerry danced with her, and made a lovely family scene etc etc.
The McCanns insisted they WEREN’T there, and although staff offered CCTV film to police to say they were, the film was said to be “too grainy” to prove anything.
Could some other child have been mistaken for Madeleine?
Certainly, all photos of M supposedly in PdL are very dodgy, and show photo-shopping tampering.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
pamela,no, scrolling back you did say the guy on the street, he didn’t see her unless there was someone else you mean.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
pamela, i dont know now, but both gerry and jez said they did not see jane tanner, so i dont see how one of them could have known what she was wearing, maybe you mean something else ?
August 29th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Lone , do not worry about that dispicable piece of dog mess garth , he has shown himself up and shown what he is really like x
August 29th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
so who is the child with the Mccanns kids
August 29th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
time out system overload
August 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Still, sorry to thrash this - the Paynes eldest is only 2 yrs. I wish I could access that footage.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
SGB
just looking at the bus video now
August 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Mmmm, JT’s statement says that they are girls.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
And, Clouseau, I believe THAT one’s called “shifting the onus of proof.”
August 29th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
SGB
bloody hell I am supposed to be working
August 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
C & C
“Gooses and ganders and sauces springs to mind here!”
Not when you let one or more of the inmates run the institution without due supervision.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
AZ, didn’t I just say that I believe he says he saw her, just not when he was talking to Gerry? I did, right?
I actually have a pretty good sense of humor (well, for an English teacher anyway), but I get so annoyed when people argue poorly. I believe your tactic is called a “straw man” argument, and it generally costs the debater points, because it almost never works.
August 29th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
I can see what pamela means….. everyone accepts that someone could see someone and identify that she was wearing a purple dress but that it would have been impossible for JT to identify the colour of the carried child’s pyjamas.
Actually the lighting there is quite good so both are possible and also the pathways are wider than than everyone seems to think so it would also be possible for JT to pass nearby to GMC and JW and not be seen.
No-one would have been aware of anything very much at that point in time.
But hey! I’ve said all this before!
August 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Haven’t time to read today but was skimming through another site. I believe a death of a child took place in that appt but it is almost like M was never in Portugal. Remember the airport footage - M and another little girl? I always wondered if that was from a previous holiday. Then I read this from G’s statement.
They travelled in two separate groups, one composed of the interviewee, his wife KATE and their three children, DAVID PAYNE and his wife, their two sons and his mother-in-law. This group travelled from the airport local to Leicestershire and the other group, comprised of four adults and three children, from London. The meeting point was the Ocean Club in Portugal. The interviewee’s group arrived there at 14h30 on April 28th from Faro airport on an airport mini bus. The other group arrived the same day at 13h00.
Note that the only other kids in their group were 2 little boys. It would appear that they met the others at the Ocean Club. I think we all need to rethink this, starting before May.