Kate And Gerry McCann ‘Back In The Frame’
AS the Mail’s Madeleine’s McCann headline runs: “Madeleine DNA bombshell: ‘New results put Gerry and Kate back in the frame’
And: “New forensic tests appear to support the theory that Kate and Gerry McCann could have been involved in Madeleine’s disappearance, it has emerged.
“Sources say the results from a second batch of testing, conducted at a laboratory in Birmingham, have been passed to Portuguese detectives via Leicestershire police.
“These findings are alleged to include the discovery of the girl’s DNA - believed to have been obtained from Madeleine’s bodily fluids and hair - in the McCanns’ hire car which was rented 25 days after the girl went missing.”
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry are entirely innocent and have nothing to hide. We have always maintained whatever material or evidence the police may have can be wholly and innocently explained.”
More to follow…
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Joan Comment 202
Hear hear!!!
November 5th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Someone posted way back that they know someone who knows that the McCanns are good parents. Well I know someone whose niece knows a neighbour who has said the exact opposite! (and more besides). I never posted this before and I only mention it now to illustrate that it’s all hearsay - unless one of us knows them personally?
November 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Take alook at This is London.co.uk There is aphoto of G and K coming out of the church.Gs bottom half looks like the photo fit of the so called suspect!! In the same article it said that Gand K might become prosecutors assistants!!!
November 4th, 2007 at 10:44 am
Says Clarence Mitchell: “Kate and Gerry are entirely innocent and have nothing to hide. We have always maintained whatever material or evidence the police may have can be wholly and innocently explained.” LOL. Ludicrous and ridiculous! Will there ever be justice for poor Madeleine.
Oh please don’t say anything hurtful or mean of gerry or kate mccann. Speak only the truth and it can’t be anything but hurtful to their guilt. Like how the mccanns turn everything around, such as for the abductor to come forward and find peace. The mccanns should follow their own advice and maybe they would find peace. They could start by cooperating with the police and answering the forty questions and not contradict their own statements.
One thing I’ve always wondered about since the circus began, how can these two parents set up a fund so quickly if they didn’t look into it prior to the incident. Also they’re already figuring how to get more money by how many people they can sue who have said “mean and hurtful” things about them. How can g mccann give life and death consultations while being a murder suspect. k mccann never wanted to be a Dr. , first tried being an anesthesiologt, that didn’t work, stepped down to a lowly gp, part time, that must be too hard to go back to and besides who would go to a dr suspected of murder and now she wants to work with children. Talk about ludicrous and ridiculous, a good decription of the mccanns and their supporters.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pm
i’m confused - which thread is latest? Off to bed…
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:34 pm
1301 remigius
yep - my initial reason for dismissing Baby Grace was the decomposition time scale of several months and not several weeks. I agree there may be slowing down of rate of decomposition and it could be difficult to apply the “normal” methods to establish time scales.
Having read the detailed info in the copy of the forensics book (that one may expect a suspect to take on holiday with them) this may or may not have been obvious to them either.
Indeed a faster rate of decomposition would be the preferred option if it were intended that the body (in a state suitable for positive forensic examination) would never be found.
As I mentioned before, this all goes wrong if a third party disposal accomplice does not follow instructions for some reason. A steralite box seems to be the perfect vessel to transport around a small body with the minimum of leaks, odours etc and its shape is not like a carpet bagger’s normal fare.
It would probably fit into a chest freezer too - so no need to be reminded of a small hand or foot poking out of a bin bag.
Just an idea, of course for my next murder novel ha ha
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:31 pm
Remigus 192 GM did take a trip to the US , perhaps he took a sterilite locker box???
November 3rd, 2007 at 5:09 pm
193 Ross Says:
191 Peter O
Edit….. So, I would think that paedophilia would be the most likely reason for an abduction. There is no need to ascribe horrible motives to people who express that opinion.
I’d say that most people who support the McCanns would never dream of leaving their young children alone …..
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I don’t disagree with your assessment that if Madeleine was abducted then sadly paedophilia becomes one of the most likely motivations.
What I object to is people who brush off in the lightest terms the fact that Madeleine and her siblings were left on their own on successive evenings, quickly followed by some emotionally wringing statement about the sad fate that probably befell Madeleine. Often making the point the abductor created the greater crime.
While no one could possibly consider that the McCann’s error in any way equated to the crime(s) committed by the alleged abductor(s), it is disingenuous to seek to dismiss their error on the basis that because some unknown person(s) went onto commit some alleged offence that McCann’s error is somehow wiped from the slate.
November 3rd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Smells like Ass
November 3rd, 2007 at 3:34 pm
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22699242-401,00.html
November 3rd, 2007 at 3:12 pm
191 Peter O
I have an open mind…. As a normal parent, I find it unbelievable that anyone would murder their children, but some parents do murder their children and in fact a parent is more likely to murder his or her own child than anyone else.
And if she was abducted (which statistics lead us to believe is a more unlikely scenario) it is difficult to believe that someone just got themselves a three year old for keeps instead of an 18th month year old, because the three (nearly 4) year old can speak more and hence cause more trouble. Although 3 year olds are generally more fun than younger children…. So, I would think that paedophilia would be the most likely reason for an abduction. There is no need to adscribe horrible motives to people who express that opinion.
I’d say that most people who support the McCanns would never dream of leaving their young children alone …..
November 3rd, 2007 at 2:58 pm
To Andrew, Matt, Stevo, Patch, and all who care
thought I would let you know that I just got off the phone with
the detective handling
the case of the dead child, Baby Grace, who washed ashore on a
deserted island near Galveston, Texas.
Fishermen taking part in a fishing rodea offshore found her.
I’d called earlier when the sketch was released to point out the
striking resemblance between Baby Grace and Madeleine McCann. He said
he was in contact with the Portuguese police already.
He agreed with me that, based on the currents of Huelva, Spain and
even just all around Spain and Portugal, it would be completely possible for the
container with its body to have drifted out to sea, to have followed
Columbus’s path to the New World, and that this is exactly where it
would have come. He did say that only at the very end of the Gulf
Stream pattern does the theory break down just a bit, with the modern
intrusion of the international waterway. But we discussed the theory
that perhaps some yachtsman or fisherman saw the container, snagged it
out of curiousity, and when they saw the contents, panicked and dumped
it back out into the water, where it again floated on the tides, and
ended up on the island beach.
He said they are working on testing the dna right now.
We discussed how the body’s decomposition could have varied. He
agreed that an explanation might be that someone involved in killing
Madeleine could have stored her body in a cold place, which would have
slowed decomposition, and that salt water will also slow
decomposition.
It is also possible that whoever killed her may have kept her alive
longer that is now speculated.
But then, the cadaver fluids, etc. in the McCanns’ car and apartment would be hard to explain.
But the little pink outfit…especially that pink cardigan with ruffled sleeves–that
cardigan is almost identical in color and style to one worn by Kate
McCann the day the JP named her arguido.
Still, it may not be her.
Without saying so much, though, he told me the most disappointing
thing was that the states of decomposition really didn’t add up
completely. HE also stated vaguely that there were other more
physical aspects that cast doubt on the little girls being the same
child, but that they would check out every single thing.
He confirmed that the child had died from a strong blow to the head,
and they didn’t yet see any other signs of violent injury.
November 3rd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
155 Maria Says:
Edit…
I do NOT seek to absolve the McCanns from leaving their children alone. YOU want to assume I do, that’s all!
Edit….
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One of the reasons your average member of the public has so much trouble in empathising with the McCann’s plight is their inability to ever admit to any real wrongdoing in a manner that doesn’t look like it has been stage managed and scripted to exercise the maximum from every little nuance of the message.
This communication style is flagrantly plagiarised by many who write in their support the result being that they come across as being both myopic and sycophantic.
You have a sentence and paragraph structure deliberately constructed to avoid ever criticising the McCann’s. For instance, this pearl of wisdom:
• “I wrote what I did because some people here are so obsessed with the McCann’s guilt that they have forgotten that, IF they are innocent of anything beyond poor childcare on holiday, there is another real criminal involved.”
• “Innocent of anything beyond poor childcare”? Why not say, “Guilty of anything beyond poor childcare.”?
“There is another real criminal involved.” Oh, that’ll help excuse the McCann’s slight oversight because there is a bigger baddie taking advantage of a slight slip of parenting standards.
Whether or not what the McCann’s did constitutes any form of legal neglect is pretty irrelevant at this stage. No legal authority is going to attempt to pursue a neglect charge whist a wider criminal investigation is still underway. Neglect or not, it does not prevent the McCann’s and supporters accepting that their evening child care arrangements were unacceptable and created the circumstances that allowed the alleged abduction to take place.
Nobody in their right mind would ever dispute that if Madeleine was abducted by a stranger(s) that a dreadful criminal act has occurred. That said, this in no way can mitigate an ongoing and repeated lapse in child care standards that most people who care about/for children frankly find unacceptable.
You say, “I do not ASSUME a paedophile, and certainly not a paedophile gang”, however you and others seize every opportunity to juxtapose a mention of paedophilia alongside any statement that describes the parents role in the events leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance. This is the worst kind of emotional blackmail designed to once again mitigate/minimise the fact this dreadful act could only have occurred because the children were left on their own.
November 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 pm
188
I posted my comments on another thread and they have just appeared on this one! What is going on?
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Wearied 186,
I’m not so sure those DNA tests couldn’t be definitive, and am increasingly impressed with Gerry McCann’s ability to manipulate and plan, so I no longer think it’s impossible for the accidental death/late disposal of the body theory to be true. What I don’t quite understand is how Kate could keep from saying or doing something indicative of the truth - unless Gerry has a truly iron grip on her - but I keep thinking how I’D react.
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:27 pm
What is going on? Has someone hacked in and removed a lot of the posts.
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Sorry maria, didnt mean to send blank message! That is the point, nobody seems to be saying anything about them, No friends of maddy, no word from maddys nanny, I would have thought we might have seen a bit more input from the locals at rothley, like when she first went missing. Normally our press contact everyone from the window cleaner onwards!
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm
I never left my two under-4s alone, but that was mainly because of their personalities. Their father tried, and we were only downstairs in a hotel dining room, but he gave up when he discovered them awake again, and leaning out of a second-floor window they’d opened when he went to check. He took his dinner up there, and never again argued with me about keeping them with us. However … had they been different, our actions might have been too. I do think, though, that leaving 3 under 4s was just asking for trouble. Not abduction - that’s the last thing I would have thought of - but accidents, or wandering. But I agree with a poster above. No benefit accrues from taking children into Care - it’s the very last resort. Those twins are in no danger. Nearly everyone else in Care almost certainly is.
With regard to the McCann’s “guilt”. It’s not very likely, is it? No matter how unpleasing they may seem to some (including me), it would be very difficult for them to have hid her and transported her body five weeks later, whilst also maintaining a large circle of conspirators which agreed to perjure themselves. That’s the main stumbling block. DNA evidence is highly dependent upon the circumstances in which it is found, and the way it is collected - and that seems to be rather dodgy in this case.
She’ll never be found. This will never be solved. The media will report it as long as it sells newspapers. The McCanns will go mad, if they haven’t already, and will probably split up despite Gerry’s control stuff over Kate, and the religion (no use at all).
November 3rd, 2007 at 1:12 pm
182 maria
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:48 pm
For those who question the relevance of seeing baby photos of Madeleine, it might help to eliminate any thought that Madeleine was abducted by her natural biological mother/father - who could have been the “they” referred to by Kate when she cried ” They have taken her”.
November 3rd, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Nice to see the McCanns spending some money on this site.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:45 am
175 wtf
I don’t think the McCanns invite the media to watch them going to church, do you? I shouldn’t thing GM suggested the media should be there when he went back to work. It was just inevitable. He must have agreed with the hospital a brief few words to get rid of the press pack and that was it.
Again, interesting to note the fantastic support from his hospital colleagues and authorities. Their weekly Friday afternoon vigil for Madeleine continues. They have refreshed and renewed the posters and ribbons outside the hospital. G seems to be a respected colleague for whom there is a lot of sympathy and affection from his professional work mates. NOT proof of anything, but an interesting pointer perhaps.
Nobody seems to be saying,
“Well…I always thought he was a poor father….a bit strange…..didn’t love Madeleine.” or anything else of that sort.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 am
174 Lyn
I think they are being badly advised on PR. Agreed.
But it’s not right to expect them to speak about G’s paternity. NOT our business.
wtf
If the friends said any more than they already have, they would only be accused of lying, cover-up, being part of “Team McCann” or whatever.
Actually, we are always hearing “a friend of the family said….”. I think they’d do better to keep quiet. I think they should get rid of Mitchell as well. Far too linked with political spin. McGuinness was far more convincing in terms of sincerity and genuinely caring about Madeleine and the family.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:32 am
177 Ross I don’t think people go around wondering about other people’s children. It probably never crosses their mind. In this event a lot of a numbers don’t add up and with the McCanns going on TV, setting up a fund, and making announcements, this has led to discussions.
Opinions are not always good for the McCanns. I wonder why really. Perhaps it should be best left to the authorities to do their jobs and find Maddy. We are yet to find out why the Portugese police made Kate a suspect in the first place. The files are not yet available either.
Something is out of order in this whole business I feel.
I have got to go now and will chat later on.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 am
177 ross
I agree that they shouldnt have to satisfy every tom dick and harry, but why the reason for gerrys blog on a daily basis telling every tom dick and harry their every routine? I thing gerry in particular is enjoying all the attention. His blogs very rarely contain any sentiments about maddy but are all about theemselves and their thoughts. Its not as if they are really private shy people is it? Wanting to be filmed walking to church when they returned to britain, he gets a satisfied gleam in his eyes when the cameras are on them imo
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:26 am
176 lyn
Think the old lady story was a spin. Also with the fund reaching nearly a million very early on, why wait til they are made suspects to hire private detectives. It would have been the very first thing i did. another big clue to me was when gerry in the first interview they gave to sky said that “we have been told it is every parents nightmare”. Surely if you were a real parent you could not have to be told this, as how many people have been in their position!
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:19 am
174 Lynn
I really don’t understand your argument: if I tell you that I have two kids, I don’t expect to have to prove that they are really mine (whether they are biologically mine or product of an affair of my wife or whatever). As far as I am concerned, they are mine. I brought them up for 5 and 7 years respectively: took them for walks, comforted them when they were upset, told them off when out of line, etc, etc, etc. I couldn’t care less if all the neighbours around thought they were not mine. I don’t have to prove anything, do you agree?
The same with the McCanns: being inseminated with an anonymous donnor or a friend is not illegal. If Gerry McCann says Madeleine is his daughter, then it is. What if people started to comment on the shape of his pennis? Would he be under an obligation to prove that it is normal? It is whoever’s problem if they don’t believe he is the father. Not his.
And all said, they make me cringe for having used the fund to make mortgage repayments and personal living expenses when they are very comfortably off; for having their relatives and friends briefing the press, etc, etc, etc but again, I don’t think they are obliged to satisfy every Tom, Dick and Jerry’s curiosity.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 am
173 wtf No, I’ve never heard of a fund before springing up like this one. What with a missing persons unit, police, and other organisations that deal with this sort of thing, the idea of a fund is an odd thing to do. Why would an old lady ask where she could donate….did she ask when the other child went missing not that long ago!
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:07 am
171 maria
In my opinion the friends of the mCanns have said very little about anything! As for lying, the reason for their unpopularity is the fact that alot of people dont trust them and sense a huge cover up, they are very selective aabout what the public hears. There pr has come from the top! they are rarely out of the papers. How on earth does footage and interviews about gerry going fback to work help find maddy? apart from anything else what about the forensic results?
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:02 am
170 - Ross Yes, I do agree the only pics would be those of Maddy, recent ones. No-one is interested in any other pics, at least I am not. The McCanns have been wrongly advised then, if it was not them who put the pics out. I would think though, to put rumours right, something should have been done, and why not by friends, to prove Maddys paternity/maternity. Or, on the other hand, stand up for Kate and Gerry. They are strangely quiet.
November 3rd, 2007 at 11:01 am
lyn
Have always thought thaat the fund was a bit odd. Never before have I heard of anyone donating to an abduction case. My hubby has said from day one that it was set up with the purpose of protecting them, as they knew they would be suspected one day. I remeber gerrys brother saying on the launche day that an old woman had asked where she could donate money, which gave them the idea of the fund, so people could help!