Madeleine McCann: Metodo 3 Think, Daily Express Write The Book And Robert Murat Smears
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MIRROR page 5: “The private detectives have a theory: Madeleine was “snatched” to order and is alive in the “perfect” hideout. She’s in Morocco
Says Metodo 3 spokesman Francisco Marco PI: “We’re following the trail. Morocco is the perfect place to hide a kidnapped girl. There are a number of networks there dedicated to trafficking children”
What clues? What evidence?
Marita Fernandez, founder of the agency, says: “We think Murat knows more than he said, Madeleine could be living in Morocco”
Could be? Truth or Phooey?
She goes on: “I played the devil’s advocate and asked them [McCanns] terrible things to see their reactions.” Kate cried. “As a mother and grandmother it strikes me as impossible that a woman who has had artificial insemination to have children and who loves her youngsters in this way could have done anything bad to Madeleine”
A woman’s intuition, eh? Good to hear the PIs are making progress…
DAILY EXPRESS front page: “MADELEINE
* The NEW BOOK That everyone’s been waiting for
* Just what DID happen the night she disappeared?
* What’s the truth about the mysterious sightings of her
* And who do the police really think is responsible
ALL THIS WEEK, ONLY IN THE DAILY EXPRESS, WE REVEAL THE EXTRAORDINARY FACTS BEHIND THE STORY THAT HAS INTRIGUED AND MYSTIFIED THE WORLD”
Fact 1: Madeleine McCann in missing
Fact 2. Madeleine McCann is still missing
Fact 3: Etc.
Page 5: “I SAW MAN LIKE MURAT TRY TO KIDNAP A CHILD” – British nanny at the Ocean Club resort has told police that she caught an intruder, who looked like Robert Murat, trying to climb through the ground floor window while a baby slept inside
“MADELEINE: MCCANNS ‘SPOILED CRUCIAL EVIDENCE’”- Says a Portuguese policeman: “When we arrived at the scene, it was as if there had been an earthquake in the apartment. Everything had been turned over and there were more than 10 people there touching everything. How could the evidence not be contaminated? Of course, we isolated the scene, but a great deal had already been touched”
Pages 30-32: “Madeleine: A Most Heartbreaking And Extraordinary Disappearance, by Robert Downing. It’s published by Northern & Shell, who own the Daily Express. Buy now for Christmas
DAILY MAIL front page: “MADDIE: Police believed McCanns sold her”
Page 5: “Police ‘asked is parents sold Maddie top perverts’” – So says a Portuguese policeman
“THERE’LL BE PRESENTS FOR HER THIS CHRISTMAS” – Says Kate McCann’s father Brian Healy: “We will all buy her a present and they will be under the tree waiting for he when she comes home”
“Team McCann smearing Murat, say friends” – A friend of Michaela Walczuch and Robert Murat calls for an end to the “continuous unfounded attacks”. The woman has been pushed “to the brink of despair”
DAILY STAR front page: “MADDIE MUM ‘SOLD HER’ – McCann outrage at cops’ claim”
It is an EXCLUSIVE (see Daily Mail)
Page 10: “Says Clarence Mitchell: “The suggestion that Kate and Gerry somehow have sold off their beloved daughter takes the ludicrous allegations circulating around this case to a new level of lunacy. It is laughable to even suggest it. Kate and Gerry understand the police must consider all possibilities – no matter how apparently implausible – in order to eliminate them. But if they have considered this for more than a nano-second then they have wasted their time. It is, of course, entirely untrue. Madeleine was abducted”
THE SUN page 15: “MURAT’S FURY – Maddie suspect pleads: Stop smear campaign”
Says a “pal” of Murat: “These continuous unfounded attacks are taking the focus away from the areas that should be investigated. I would think someone from the McCann camp would want to put a stop to it”
Indeed. We should stick to the facts…
“Yesterday it was claimed six months before Maddie vanished a man matching Murat’s description tried to get into the same apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal”
Oh…
“Meanwhile Brit Murat’s German-born girlfriend Michaela Walczuch was said to have had her alibi shattered by revelations she was NOT at a Jehovah’s Witness meeting in Lagos”
DAILY TELEGRAPH page 15: “Murat urges Madeleine McCann’s family to stop smears”
Robert Murat and what the nanny saw… What of that? Says a source: “Robert went to the UK at the end of October and remained there until January of this year”
Says Brian Healy: “It really would be a miracle and we would appeal to parents to think about Maddie at this time of the year and help us to bring her home in time for Christmas”
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November 27th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
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Poppy Says:
November 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
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Anne:
Better than milking a beatle though…
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Well wasn’t that all she married him for in the first place ? How he got sucked into that one I shall never know, on the rebound after Linda’s death most people think, and I would tend to agree
November 27th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
1219 Totje
Mods and Admin
But these are all grown people?
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In cyberspace you can pretend to be anyone and any age
November 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
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Anne:
Better than milking a beatle though…
November 27th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
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man on a hill Says:
November 27th, 2007 at 11:26 am
1217 Anne
Actually heather is right, dairy products are unnecessary, cruel to animals and are bad for your health causing mucus among other complaints. Even yogic’s are a bit slow on this one.
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No…disagree, dairy products highly necessary for calcium and protein amongst other things, don’t need to be high fat content so skimmed and semi-skimmed is fine, and some of the fats are necessary too - and I forgot butter in my list. I have yet to find where it is “cruel to animals” to milk them…!! surely this is what their offspring do ??? or are they being cruel too …sucking away like that ?? Mucus is only caused if your intake is too high and dairy products are way less cruel than meat products in which you have to …hullo ? …actually kill the animal to get them !!
November 27th, 2007 at 11:31 am
1214 Julie
Hi Julie, I knew it was called Afrikaans, my hubbie worked in Stanton for a couple of months and I stayed there too (easy if you’re sefl-employed
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You have such funny expressions (can’t remember all, but this one I’ll never forget) like for a safety belt, which we in Holland call “veiligheidsgordel” you call it “sitplekgordel” if I remember correctly. “Sitplek” I suppose you translate it in english as “seat” and I would translate “seat” in dutch as “stoel”.
So is it possible you just translated an afrikan word for “chinese” litterally?
Just guessing… and we all must admit emotions raised hight in that discussion about BG=MM. (that’s why I introduced Flappie last time)
I can understand when people feel attacked by several persons (and nobody helps them) people just don’t think/react logical, emotions control the brains! And then it goes boom-boom-boom!
I don’t want to interfere in your discussion, nor do I want to start (or finish) a discussion about what happened and who did/said what, please work it out.
Funny makes me smile, when I was a kid and I quarrelled with my brother, most of the time one of us started crying. When mama (or the nanny) interfered, it was always like “he did this” “she did that” “he said this” and “she said that” and it could go on for ages. We both felt hurt and we both felt the other one started. I wonder if you’ve got the same memories?
Bye now, I’m off to the next forum.
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Mods and Admin
Totje
The shenanigans on site last night have been noted, and is currently under discussion by Admin.
But put it down to cyber ‘cabin fever’ people really do need to get out more!
But these are all grown people?
November 27th, 2007 at 11:26 am
1217 Anne
Actually heather is right, dairy products are unnecessary, cruel to animals and are bad for your health causing mucus among other complaints. Even yogic’s are a bit slow on this one.
November 27th, 2007 at 8:05 am
This is nothing to do with the current subject but I have just re-read a bit in a paper I was lighting a fire with, about Heather Mills’ rant about milk and I just had to get this one in….sorry….
Since time immemorial, humankind has drunk the milk of cows, goats, sheep and in some cultures, horses, camels and so on, and eaten the yogurt and cheese made from same, it is a staple and highly essential food source. For Heather Mills to suggest we might just as well drink the milk of cats, dogs and rats is just another measure of this lunatic’s mind-set. Heather …if YOU don’t like milk, cheese or yogurt then don’t eat it !! simple !! just don’t try to tell those suffering and starving tribes in countries where they rely entirely upon just those very essential animal by-products that they mustn’t do it, we don’t care what your ill-educated mind thinks, if indeed you have one, I think you lost it way back………….
November 27th, 2007 at 7:55 am
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Hideki Says:
November 27th, 2007 at 7:37 am
Kate’s lack of emotion and love shows up not just in gesture, posture, voice, etc but in the words she uses. She has NEVER even described a simple event that took place as a way of illustrating something about Madeleine
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I think the one thing we are all agreed on is that Kate does not, nor ever has she, acted like a real Mother in all of this. It’s as if she has just lost her dolly, the “YouTube” clip of her saying ” …click , and she was gone ” was jaw-droppingly callous and detached !! She has never, as far as I am aware or have seen, displayed anything like the kind of emotions a Mother would show - SHOULD show, if a child has been snatched or has even gone missing for some other reason. She never looks at the camera or the interviewer, always looking sideways , down, up or anywhere but straight ahead with eyes wide open and appealing for anything about her daughter, she seems always to be speaking from some inner , well-rehearsed script and I don’t think she gives a toss as to what has happened to the child who - in her own words - was always a handful, hyper-actvie and so on, more like a blessed relief but one that has mightily back-fired on her.
November 27th, 2007 at 7:37 am
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leslie Says:
“Compare that photo to the one top left corner of findmadeleine.com Sure looks like the same photo with photoshopped hair-”
Well, according to Real Stig, the McCanns often re-touched photos to get rid of the coloboma (so he theorized to explain the many photos of a girl WITHOUT coloboma).
I do think it is likely that photoshop was used to put in the long, informal looking hair, which also tends to cover up the eyebrows. In the “original” photo with the extremely short, stylized , set hair, you can see that the eyebrows have been altered.
It could be that the McCanns have not released a single original untouched photo of Madeleine — maybe they did not have any photos that would not look very strange, and so they “fixed” a few of them.
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leslie Says:
“So, did these parents just see her as a doll? They certainly haven’t given any indication of this little girl’s personality, the mother hasn’t described childbirth with any kind of knowledge, the PR has mostly been defensive rather than about loss for a real little person..”
Kate’s lack of emotion and love shows up not just in gesture, posture, voice, etc but in the words she uses. She has NEVER even described a simple event that took place as a way of illustrating something about Madeleine. (now that Team McCann has read this, just wait for her to do it –badly — in her next interview!) She thinks that calling Madeleine “lovely” expresses a mother’s feelings for an abducted child. Even Madeleine’s last words are ridiculous — “it was the best day ever”. Can this mother tell us WHAT was so good about that day for Madeleine to say this? NO! Kate has had a hard time pretending to be a loving mother, when she is just another Monster McCann.
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lyn Says:
“Just looked at the photos of Maddie…awfully odd! Perhaps her mother was to enter her in the Beauty Pageants! Like Jonbenet ramsay!”
Yes, exactly. But the parents have NEVER mentioned any such ambitions or activities. And yet the girl is dolled up EXACTLY AS IF she is being entered in some kind of beauty contest. That is the point — the photos are taken of her in this way so that some adults can marvel at her “beauty” — but it is an adult beauty.
I think the parents do see her as a doll — an object to be used. And it should be noted that right from the start Murat was said to be linked to paedophilia. Gerry said “I’m not going to comment on that” when asked if he was acquainted with Murat. Why did Gerry refuse to answer such a simple question?
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Christoph Says:
“Stick to the facts, ma’ams.”
The FACTS are that the McCanns have released very few photos of Madeleine. Several show normal eyes (no coloboma) when zoomed, and pro-McConn Stig has suggested that the McCanns altered those photos.
What’s YOUR explanation for the non-coloboma photos?
Which photos have they NOT altered? Which of their statements are NOT lies?
November 27th, 2007 at 7:24 am
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Totje Says:
November 26th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
JULIE
I know in SA they’ve a language that sometimes appears to be dutch? Do you speak that language?
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Sorry Totje for the delay in replying to your question (I’d long gone to bed already). Yes the language is called Afrikaans, and I speak it at home.
November 27th, 2007 at 7:09 am
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Christoph
This is going to come across as sexist, but so what?
Most (not all) men give evidence, facts, reason, data when discussing this case, and women give such B.S. intuitions about photos, beauty contests, eyebrow waxing, and alleged “creepiness”.
Stick to the facts, ma’ams.
Problem is Christoph, the fact is she looks like a beauty queen and speaking of sexism, why would only the mother be accused of child neglect and not the father?
November 27th, 2007 at 6:45 am
This is going to come across as sexist, but so what?
Most (not all) men give evidence, facts, reason, data when discussing this case, and women give such B.S. intuitions about photos, beauty contests, eyebrow waxing, and alleged “creepiness”.
Stick to the facts, ma’ams.
November 27th, 2007 at 6:25 am
Just looked at the photos of Maddie…awfully odd! Perhaps her mother was to enter her in the Beauty Pageants! Like Jonbenet ramsay!
November 27th, 2007 at 6:20 am
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leslie Says:
Hideki:
1200
“Look at the photo of Madeleine on youtube- “More new pics of madeleine” the 5th photo of her- really weird or is it me.”
“Yes, thank you! — this is exactly what I was talking about. The “weird” quality is more evident in that photo, but it the same thing that I saw in the released photos. It is obvious that she is being deliberately portrayed as “adult”, especially with that very stylistic short haircut. And she is most 3 years old in that photo.
You are right to get a creepy feeling from the photo — that is how I felt when I first saw photos of Madeleine on the McCann webpage. .
And if you compare the 5th photo to the 6th photo, you can see that the eyebrows are being manipulated (plucked, and dyed). Her hair is apparently being dyed as well, being much lighter in the 6th photo.”
Compare that photo to the one top left corner of findmadeleine.com Sure looks like the same photo with photoshopped hair-
November 27th, 2007 at 6:02 am
Hideki :
So, did these parents just see her as a doll? They certainly haven’t given any indication of this little girl’s personality, the mother hasn’t described childbirth with any kind of knowledge, the PR has mostly been defensive rather than about loss for a real little person.. Just my opinion.
November 27th, 2007 at 5:47 am
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leslie Says:
Hideki:
1200
“Look at the photo of Madeleine on youtube- “More new pics of madeleine” the 5th photo of her- really weird or is it me.”
Yes, thank you! — this is exactly what I was talking about. The “weird” quality is more evident in that photo, but it the same thing that I saw in the released photos. It is obvious that she is being deliberately portrayed as “adult”, especially with that very stylistic short haircut. And she is most 3 years old in that photo.
You are right to get a creepy feeling from the photo — that is how I felt when I first saw photos of Madeleine on the McCann webpage. .
And if you compare the 5th photo to the 6th photo, you can see that the eyebrows are being manipulated (plucked, and dyed). Her hair is apparently being dyed as well, being much lighter in the 6th photo.
November 27th, 2007 at 5:42 am
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AXJ Says:
November 27th, 2007 at 5:16 am
So. Who is Madeleine McCann’s biological father?
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Doesn’t matter, in IVF you can use donor sperm, Gerry may have been sterile and that’s why they needed to use IVF in the first place. Maddie looks more like her Mum anyway
November 27th, 2007 at 5:40 am
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Inspector Gadget Says:
November 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Has anyone else here voiced their joy that BG now has an identity? That’s what’s important. A little girl now has been identified.
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I rather suspect that “joy” isn’t what they would voice, more a disappopointment that the speculation as to her identity has been finally removed and that we are back to square one with the Madeleine thing. Even so…the details of that particular case are horrendous, and just opens up a whole new can of speculative worms as to the what, why and where of Maddie’s case and the possibilites thereof
November 27th, 2007 at 5:32 am
AXJ-Argentina has a strong theory similar to that of the Portuguese and Spanish police:
First. -No responsible parents leave small children alone in an apartment room in a foreign country.
Second.-Maddie’s blood and hair were found in the apartment, and later in the car they rented 25 days after she disappeared. Why?
Third.-Why did her mother scream: “They took her”. Who was she referring to?
Fourth.-Why are there so many discrepencies in the time the events took place and between all the friends?
Fifth.-The blood samples showed traces of drugs.
Only conclusion. The parents are not telling th truth. Why? What are they hiding?
Con la ayuda de dos perros, transformaron las sospechas en indicios. Descubrieron rastros de sangre y pelos, primero en el departamento y después en el automóvil que alquilaron 25 días después de la desaparición de la niña.
Con estos elementos en su poder, los pesquisas portugueses elaboraron una hipótesis que estremeció al mundo entero: Madelaine habría muerto como consecuencia de una sobredosis de calmantes y sus padres habrían hecho desaparecer el cuerpo. También se sospecha que la niña haya sido víctima de un ataque deliberado de la madre. (Especial)
November 27th, 2007 at 5:21 am
AXJ-Argentina just sent us these pics of the hotel room.
http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/vernota.asp?id_seccion=10&id_nota=244504
November 27th, 2007 at 5:16 am
AXJ- Would be interested in this possibility. The Spanish police have had many conversations with the Portuguese about this and the Biological father but still no answers.
I posit that Madeleine was actually the FIRST EVER cloned human being.
After all, there are legitimate questions about Madeleine’s biological inheritance. Specifically, there are serious questions about her paternity, and whether Gerry is actually her father. The believable Portugese police, through leaks to the ever-trustworthy Portugese media, have put forth the possibility that Gerry is not, in fact, Madeleine’s biological father.
So. Who is Madeleine McCann’s biological father?
I posit that Madeleine was actually the FIRST EVER cloned human being.
Just think of the possibilities here, guys. This could explain everything.
November 27th, 2007 at 5:16 am
Hideki:
1200
Look at the photo of Madeleine on youtube- “More new pics of madeleine” the 5th photo of her- really weird or is it me.
November 27th, 2007 at 5:15 am
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Kris Says:
“Also, Hideki, I’m interested in your definitions of “proposition” and “possibility” and how, exactly, they differ.”
Perhaps if you reflect that one can propose a possibility, you might see the difference yourself. It’s possible, but not likely.
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Kris Says:
“Well by golly, if this website is meant for proposing things that are obviously untrue, just to show how they are POSSIBLE…”
If something is possible, it has not yet been determined to be untrue.
“let’s talk about the possibility that Madeleine was a CLONE. The first human clone. Ever.So to back up my theory that Madeleine was cloned, I present this evidence: Many believe Madeleine was not Gerry’s biological faher.”
I feel certain that Madeleine was not Gerry’s father, even if she was a clone. Good luck developing your theory that Madeleine impregnated Gerry’s mother. Interesting that when your imagination runs wild, you come up with disgusting innuendoes of incest and paedophilia.
Are you a McCann too, Kris? Hope everyone is treating you like a princess. You deserve nothing less.
November 27th, 2007 at 5:03 am
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Stevo Says:
359 Rosemary
“Wasn’t that Hideki?”
Yes, I still think that in several photos, Madeleine has had make-up applied. (I have not emailed your site, Stevo).
I think (in various pictures) lipstick and rouge was used, and the eyelashes were enhanced. It is very obvious if you zoom on the pictures and compare them , zoomed, each with the other. But the application is not heavy, and it seems that photos were specifically chosen with very little or no make-up applied — giving me the impression that other photos have her more heavily made up.
Also, some of the poses are clearly dictated by an adult to her, to make her look more adult. For example, the photo in which one hand grasps her own blouse.
As discussed here, some pointed out that there is nothing wrong or perverted with such photos — many (?) people think it is “cute” when children pose like adults. However, as an extreme this is also a feature of paedophile photo collections. Have the police confiscated ALL photos of Madeleine? I would think so. How many were there? If only a few, did the McCanns destroy the rest?
The priest called these people “lost souls” — a very strong term.
November 27th, 2007 at 4:52 am
Also, Hideki, I’m interested in your definitions of “proposition” and “possibility” and how, exactly, they differ.
November 27th, 2007 at 4:48 am
1196 - Hideki - Well by golly, if this website is meant for proposing things that are obviously untrue, just to show how they are POSSIBLE, let’s talk about the possibility that Madeleine was a CLONE. The first human clone. Ever.
Because, Hideki, it really is possible! Every bit as possible as Madeleine being killed by her parents, frozen for months on end in hiding, waiting for Gerry take a trip to Walmart, to buy the right clothes, then she was transported (thawing) from Algarve to Huelva, given to someone on a ship who promised to wait to throw a plastic box overboard, into the sea, as soon as it reached somewhere near Galveston.
Because the clone theory is so much MORE possible, dear Hideki. Statistically speaking.
Stevo had precisely this bit of fact to back up his idea (which of course he did not “Believe”, only “Promoted Endlessly as Possible”): The McCanns went to Huelva.
So to back up my theory that Madeleine was cloned, I present this evidence: Many believe Madeleine was not Gerry’s biological faher.
November 27th, 2007 at 4:44 am
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LOL Says:
182, Stevo
“Actually I don’t agree with you because even if it were an accidental death as the PJ kept insisting then even in that scenerio they did lose their daughter. It is still a loss…a cover-up would not lessen the pain of the loss it would in many ways make it worse.”
Why are all you pro-McCanns trying to be the judge and jury here? Whether or not any suffering should mitigate the sentence meted out is something that gets determined in court. This holds true for both child neglect, and accidental murder.
Nothing wrong with discussing the issue, but what evidence do you actually see that the parents have suffered substantially? Perhaps because the Fund is no longer covering their mortgage payments? Perhaps because the McCann have had lie after lie publicly exposed, to their mortification? Maybe Kate’s greatest suffering comes from still having to take care of the twins? She probably suffers from the deep regret it was not a triple abduction — then they would really be raking in the cash, and there would be no squawking brats making her throw fits. Gerry’s greatest suffering apparently comes from having to hold Kate’s hand in public so much. I will admit that these might be mitigating factors to consider before throwing them both in jail for 10 years or so. Any one else have anything SPECIFIC to say about HOW the McCanns have suffered and WHY this might reduce their sentence?
November 27th, 2007 at 4:27 am
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Kris Says:
” Or shall you [Stevo] now give up this preposterous and wasteful proposition that Baby Grace is Madeleine?”
Stevo never made such a “proposition” — her merely showed that it was a possibility. Your own posting is wasteful IMO (re: for example the posts about Madeleine being a clone), besides being inaccurate , misrepresenting others, and filled with unnecessary personal remarks.
Why are you going on and on about Baby Grace if it has nothing to do with Madeleine. Just STFU Kris. JMS.
November 27th, 2007 at 4:22 am
If I can find time, I”m going to float this idea to the group tomorrow and see what happens. I’m hopeful that STEVO, our resident bloodhound, will take up the case, and start posting about clones on his webisite!!!
After all, this really is logical and possible.
I just wonder, though, if the scientists who created the clonal Kate/Madeleine know where she is? Or is it out of t heir hands, too?
November 27th, 2007 at 4:20 am
Also, I am afraid that my “clone” theory does not necessarily have a happy ending.
So when we look at Kate’s statmenets, ie, “It wasn’t supposed to happen this way”, etc, it would seem that Kate may have expected that her clonal daughter (it would make sense that Madeleine is actually a clone of Kate) might one day “go away” or “disappear” … afterall, the world’s first cloned human would inevitably be scurried off for tests, etc. But maybe it happened before Kate was ready for this to happen ,and this would explain both their obvious complicit behavior, as well as their grief. They understood, intellectually, that their daughter was not “theirs” but rather belonged to the world at large , but emotionally, they believed her to be their daughter.
But something seems to have gone wrong with the clone! She had this weird Eye thing, and behavior that didn’t match her genetic-identical mother, etc. So perhaps someone made hte decision to take Madeleine suddenly, without warning the mother.
November 27th, 2007 at 4:14 am
Totje. I’m inclined to agree– the same argument could be made in terms of someone else perhaps being Madeleine’s father (they had to “give her back” etc). But if Madeleine was actually a CLONE, that would explain a whole variety of things that we have been unable to explain. One: Why Gerry is not the biological father. Two: Why government officials are involved when it seems they should not be. Three: Madeleine’s odd physical “issues” (coloboma)– they do say Dolly’s daughters had some downright weird clonical issues. Four: The sheer volume of money involved.
In other words, I think the possibility that Madeleine was cloned is very real, and would explain sooooo many aspects of this case that make no senese!
(And you know as well as I do that the questions of the so-called inconsistencies, the windows jemmied, etc, are mostly a question of who chooses to “report” about it, and why, and how).