Madeleine McCann’s Decisive Moments
“MADELEINE: ALL POLICE LEAVE IS CANCELLED.”
Last week the Express told us that the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann had reached a “critical” stage. Today the paper enters the “decisive phase”.
We now know a critical stage lasts for one month. How long the decisive phase endures depends on how soon Portuguese police receive the forensic report on a “critical clue”.
This could also take a month. But the Express says this tiny scrap of evidence “has allowed detectives to build up a remarkably clear picture of what happened to Madeleine in the hours after she was taken”.
The paper does not say what this evidence is, only that police have refused to discuss it.
So the Express mentions the specks of blood found on the wall of the McCanns’ apartment, the ones identified as not being from Madeleine.
The Express says police have refused to say where this vital clue was discovered, but the Express narrows it down to either the apartment at the Ocean Club resort or one of 10 vehicles rigorously examined earlier this month.
Or it might be from one of the coastal areas around Praia da Luz searched by police. The Express hears that Madeleine might have been killed and thrown into the sea, or as the “credible” evidence once told us, her body “BURIED UNDER ROCKS” (the Mirror).
But whodunnit? The Express says “a possible suspect” is under surveillance in Britain. Is this person more possible or less possible than the last possible ‘suspect’ James Gorrod? And isn’t Robert Murat in Portugal?
We are not told. All we know is that after 110 days, the net is closing. This is, says the Express, the “final phase”.
And it might go on for months…
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December 1st, 2007 at 11:31 am
I just wish that everyone would just stick to THE FACTS
I hate all of the accusations
The assumptions
The stories
Th might have beens
Speculation and Accusations without any proof of anything
is really stupid and very ignorant
Innocent people have been imprisoned & lost their lives for less.
People please we are not living in the stone age or the 13th century
we are living in 2007
Witch Hunts are supposed to be a thing of the past & that is where thy should stay
Everyone Please rise up to the higher levels you are supposed to be living on.
If I were to speculate at all, based on all of the facts I believe Mr & Mrs McCann are innocent victims of a child predator.
To victimize & criticize them is to hurt two more people.
Is it not enough that Madeleine is in a horrible situation?
That makes Three victims.
I live in the USA I have looked at all of the evidence presented
I believe a predator hand picked Madeleine
For age, looks, character, amenability, vulnerability & people sociability.
An abductor is looking for someone he can handle.
Madeleine could
walk, talk interact, play alone, be old enough to be reasoned with, controlled & brainwashed into his way of thinking.
Now having said this & looked into the predators mind
what would he do?
Where would he go?
Do you think he would be hanging around the Portugal area ?
Do you think he would have an exit Plan? YES YES YES
He probably watched everyone for days
He knew exactly how, when where what time, etc
When a thief cases a building to rob - he plans to be in & out in minutes & far away as possible.
I think the abductor left Portugal within the hour of taking Madeleine.
What if he was employed on a local ship?
Give her something to make her sleep
Keep her in a trunk?
I am saying put yourself in Portugal
walk thru the story, the facts… it makes sense.
The police feel like if they dont prosecute someone they are bnot doing their job.
I believe they frequently take the shortest course because their brain is in a closet & they cant see beyond the door of it.
I do hope Madeleine is returned safely. I believe she is alive.
jacqueline
September 7th, 2007 at 10:04 pm
I can’t believe how everyone is calling each other names and cursing at one another this is why the world is the way it is, everyone is entitled to their opinions and nobody knows the truth on Madeleine McCann in what happened so we can all think what we want but it’s the truth that were waiting for.
She is a beautiful little girl and hopefully alive somewhere but let’s just pray that she is not being hurt,or dead. When any child is missing it isn’t a good sign you never know what to expect but too only have hope…
So god Bless Madeleine McCann
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:39 am
Pat, your ideas for keeping Madeleine’s face in people’s minds, on the other thread, looked good to me and I hope you pass them on the findmadeleine.com team.
The way I came to anorak was out of curiosity, when on google news the site was listed as “satire”, with a link to how suspicion was allegedly turning to the parents. Imagining what the parents were suffering, I wondered how on earth any site could be satirical about this case - which until then I had not followed in close detail, but of course was aware of it and hoping that Madeleine would be found soon. Losing a child this way is something all mothers dread. What people get out of making wild accusations beats me, but perhaps occssionally this type of discussion provides some leads. The police will know a lot more than we do and the faces of some of the suspects won’t have been in newspaper photographs, I’ll bet. Until there is evidence to believe she is not, the parents are right to believe Madeleine is alive.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 am
Oh well I was hoping someone would be on tonight to chat. As of tomorrow there is much to do before Sept.
I will check back at night after 9 or 10 from now on to keep up as much as possible. Please try to keep updates I trust Rosemary and Richard and others.
Also I like to read the Portugal news if anyone has time to post.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 am
Also, during the time early on when there were reports about a white van there was also a mention about wanting to speak to an American. No follow up reports on that either or it might have been a mistake.
August 23rd, 2007 at 6:27 am
Rosemary I went back and read your earlier postings. You give good info. I remember also very early in the investigation someone wanting to be questioned and something about a white van. There were more reports at athe time about a white van seen outside the McCann apt. as I remember the night before. Then for a long time there were no follow up reports. Finally, Von A and a white van.
My trouble is how long travel from one area to another, such as Von A house to Algarve or Spain from where Ylenia was taken.
August 23rd, 2007 at 3:19 am
Rosemary I know what you mean because I saw that report too. The parents continue to be more hopeful.
Much is changing in my own life now so there is that to deal with but I listed a fews way, simple minded maybe, on the other site in case the recognition factor is still considered. I tried to think of ways that many people could be aware of Madeleine, recognition, for an extended period of time without making an abductor aware of the amount of recognition. In other words, covering everyone in churches is quieter than television. That type of thinking so that quiet work can be done but people are aware at the same time possibly without the danger of pushing someone further into hiding.
If I take an interest in something for whatever reason generally I hope to offer something. There are times, such as this I am more open to even the sniping as long as people continue to talk the case better than nothing BUT
Yes, considering I had my own worry and stress, which explains the limbo and time to discuss, it has been hard to deal with the tension. On a good day I can take the hassles but there are times recently doing that is difficult.
Considering I do not generally visit forums I have enjoyed the good outways the bad. Wow as a result I know so many reported details about the case, almost since the beginning that it is hard not to keep up day to day. After having life on hold for a while there is much to do. I will check back until the forum ends.
Rosemary, what do you make of the reporting? Do you think there is real evidence that Madeleine is not alive or an educated assumption or ?
August 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pm
I have no interest in the personal sniping, am only interested in facts which might help the in the search for Madeleine. There seems to be nothing new, only the report in The Daily Telegraph that police found new evidence (not made public) mid-July which convinced them Madeleine was dead.
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Oops forgot to go back to me Pat I wrote the above #354
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Hello If the desire is actually to continue the media there are probably creative ways to keep Madeleine in the news without misrepresenting facts and causing burn out.
I fail to see how abrasive behavior toward people who have an interest is productive in keeping Madeleine in the news.
Are there any people on the forum who are interested in thinking of a new approach to finding missing people or keeping the case from going cold.
This is my last attempt to be optimistic and think there is something constructive to gain from the forum. No doubt in my mind adults would find another forum to chat, unless the focus is suppose to be on anything beneficial to resolving or keeping a missing person case from going cold.
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 pm
jonathan Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:08 pm
(349) Hey maybe the M’s used donor eggs/sperm and the donor snatched MM? but I’m sure that would have been checked if it were true…
Doubtful - Gerry looks pretty fertile - I am quite sure they used his fishies. BTW, here’s another theory for those who don’t like the McCanns - as you know, IVF gives you many extra embryos. Do you think they’ve got more frozen embryos in place to make another baby? I wonder if that’s what may happen…in the end…you know, everything else has been discussed here, why not that subject?? The National Enquirer is probably already on it…..they don’t miss a thing…
August 22nd, 2007 at 8:29 pm
jonathan Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pm
K.
No idea about donor eggs here. Never did that. We have a 15 month old girl which wasn’t through IVF in the end.
Check out the ARGC in London - they have the highest success rates even if the director (Mohamed Taranissi) is no stranger to controversy.
Congratulations Jonathan - that’s wonderful news…. But I don’t think I’ll take you up on the ARGC offer just yet - I think I’ll keep working w/ my own eggs in the oven. Besides, Mr. Taranissi may also not be a friend of the Americans and I don’t want to let him take out HIS disdain for my President on my body. Get my drift?? I’m keeping it all inhouse for now…..thank you very much for the offer for help though. Very neighborly of you!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:08 pm
(349) Hey maybe the M’s used donor eggs/sperm and the donor snatched MM? but I’m sure that would have been checked if it were true…
August 22nd, 2007 at 5:04 pm
K.
No idea about donor eggs here. Never did that. We have a 15 month old girl which wasn’t through IVF in the end.
Check out the ARGC in London - they have the highest success rates even if the director (Mohamed Taranissi) is no stranger to controversy.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Jon - you bring up another good point - perhaps the McCanns got “professional courtesy” for their IVF trials. That would mean they get away w/ even more $$$ - where is Spudgun and penny pinching Penster when you need them? They have been watching the McCann’s piggy banks as if they were their own. Again, those scheming McCanns made off w/ more $$$ - just because they are M.D.’s. Unreal!!! Molly, must be SO LIVID right now!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:55 pm
jonathan Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Usually the ‘A’ of A.R.T stands for Assisted rather than Advanced.
IVF in the UK is less expensive than the US. Depending on circumstances, you can go the free but low probability of success route with the NHS or pay and go privately. Expect to pay ~£10k at a good clinic for typical treament regime - thats $20k to you K, since GWB trashed the $.
Wow - You seem to know a lot about the detailed aspects of IVF and ART. Are you having fertility issues at home? Seriously, how are the eggs over in England? The reason I ask is that Ovum donation here - is not reliable - many of the women giving up their eggs are less than educated and live in trailer parks eating bon bons and watching soaps all day. The subsidize their welfare checks w/ their egg donations - not the quality hard boiled eggs you might be looking for, after shelling out $50K - yes, yes, have a poke at him, we all do it why shouldn’t you - converted w/ the deflated $$$ by the GWB administration.
Can you recommend a good Repro Endocrinologist there? St. Mary’s comes to mind….a decent hospital if I recall, even after a 10 hour wait in the “emergency” room.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:27 pm
you are right carol.
all in all, as much bull comes out in the media and on here-she still is missing.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Has it occurred to anyone that the press could be being fed duff info. One post said that ‘the abductor’ was 16 steps ahead due to the press coverage and of course we all believe the press as there is never any conflict amongst them!?!?They have a job to do and they have to sell papers but don’t believe all you read. There is no way that real clues would be divulged in the press as this would obviously tip off ‘the abductor/perpetrator’ of this terrible situation. I still have sympathy with the McCanns as their punishment for what they did will continue for the rest of their lives, whatever the conclusion…And Madeleine is STILL missing. God bless her.
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Ben - you are the only real man among the masses. Never let them see you sweat!! Good job, bloke! The rest of your fellow Pats are a bunch of wossies!!
Have faith in the truth -but NOT Truthman!
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:21 pm
jonathan Says:
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Usually the ‘A’ of A.R.T stands for Assisted rather than Advanced.
Jon - You are absolutey right - I just wanted to see if any one was really reading - thanks for the reinforcement - your gold start is coming. A is for Assited. A.R.T. = Assisted Reproductive Technology.
Hey - What happned to Sherlock Holmes?? He posted yesterday and said he was going to give us the sknny when he got home last nite - the whole Truth and nothing but the truth - so help us God. Did he slip on the tube and get run over by a train? Where is Sherlock w/ the answers to the mystery of Madeliene McCann?”
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:17 pm
whats this regarding?
August 22nd, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Usually the ‘A’ of A.R.T stands for Assisted rather than Advanced.
IVF in the UK is less expensive than the US. Depending on circumstances, you can go the free but low probability of success route with the NHS or pay and go privately. Expect to pay ~£10k at a good clinic for typical treament regime - thats $20k to you K, since GWB trashed the $.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:55 pm
whats going down
any good discusions apart from arguements!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:53 pm
im sorta here
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:46 pm
LOL - Well, that’s a way to clear a party…LOL - totally supports what I posted here earlier. LOL! Wow….pretty amazing but I evidently hit a raw nerve. Not to mention the panic button. …It’s okay little people, come out, come wherever you are!
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:19 pm
Oh please - you all are a litigation paranoid group - get w/ the program - any lawyer that is going to try to pluck out any one individual on this site for anything is going to have a rough day in court. Every single poster - at least 85% - 90% has made libelous claims not to mention, defamation of character -which is why ALIASES are used - to protect both parties. They’d have to shut down the entire site and start over. I’ve got a handful of printouts of my own already - if need be.
I have never seen such an Attorney fearing group in my life - it’s embarrassing.
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Toni says: just my opinion, when the truth is out one of us is going to be correct with our theory.
no kidding? Is that because every single possibility has been exhaused by all of the OCD posters on this forum? Of course some one’s going to be right - and that’s me - and the MCanns and their friends will be vindicated - and the Portuguese police will be thrown in their own jails and the key will be thrown away.
Molly -your “Mccann Troll” thinking is so paranoid, it’s delusional. And what’s even more over hte cucoos nest is your insinuation that parents who go to the length and expsense of IVF on both pregnancies would ever harm their children in any way - obviously you have ZERO understanding of A.R.T. (advanced reproductive technology) to understand how much work, physical pain and expense is involved - in the U.S. it’s up to $50K/pregnancy - depending upon which type of a clinic you go to. This behavior is NOT endemic to any parent that would ever harm a child - especially not their own! If it WERE an accident. They would have reported it. Even if they were out dining on Tapas - there, I included some discussion on Tapas - although, I prefer the Spanish version vs. Portuguese Tapas, et tu Brute?
As for the news you posted today - that was yesterday’s news over here - I already posted it yesterday dear Molly. And Mrs. Fenn’s hearing a child cry was Monday’s news -I reported that on Monday to penny pinching Penster - that the crying coming out of the MCann’s villa was done on May 2nd. So pursuant to your claims yesterday about reading “ALL of Karalyn’s Posts and finding them to be ……controversial and personal attacks” Have you read ANY OF your fellow Brits posts here? Every single one of them w/ the exception of a few women - has snide and nasty remarks. Take off yoru beer goggles, and read what is really relevant. But, again, your news, is always a day old….even over here. Now get back to work - you are on your employer’s dime and time!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:54 pm
why?
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:30 pm
It’ll be interesting when the lawyers get their writs on todays posters!!
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Rosemary: thanks for the geo article. Countryside looks very difficult to search but one must assume that a 67yr old wouldn’t carry a 15+kg child very far from a road access point. Reading some of Blick’s other articles shows how thorough the police are being with their search. They are basically saying she isn’t there.
August 22nd, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Of course there is the potential that either the M’s or their friends were involved. However the PJ do not believe this even if they still have “all lines open”. The “Exeter connections” are probably genuinely coincidental. I remember being in tiny bar in a hotel in the Carribbean. The only other person in there was this bloke and I asked him where he was from. He lived 50 yards down the road from me in West London.