Madeleine McCann: DNA Row, Blood And The Locator Fails To Locate
MADDY WATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
DAILY MIRROR page 11: “McCANNS WON’T BE IN CLEAR BY CHRISTMAS”
So it won’t be over by Christmas, as the Express pointed to yesterday?
Portuguese police wants more DNA tests. They take three weeks to conclude. It’s December 6. A source says: “They hope new tests will clarify what happened around the time she went missing”
Will they?
DAILY EXPRESS page 23: “Madeleine: now ministers may block new police quiz”
Within the next 48, the McCanns will “know if the Government will let them face a new grilling”. The Portuguese prosecutor was “last night set to request permission from the Home Office to reinterview Kate and Gerry and their holiday dinner friends – known as the Tapas Nine”
Or the Sangria 7 – send in your suggestions to the usual address
The Express says the Portuguese are “wary” of British Government involvement”. Why? Because Gerry McCann sits on a Government medical advisory panel. He’s a “heart surgeon”. There is a “political shadow”. Gordon Brown called Gerry McCann. And there were yellow ribbons in the House of Commons
Says a source: “He has gone on to become Prime Minister and they are now suspects. That is an uncomfortable scenario for detectives involved in the case”
“Lab hits at detectives over DNA” – “A STORM has erupted”.
Portuguese police are said to be frustrated at the lack of progress by British DNA experts. UK experts says “unprofessional evidence gathering led to inconclusive tests”
THE SUN page 9: “MADDIE COPS ROW OVER RUINED DNA – Brit experts dismiss ‘blood’ evidence”
A row between British and Portuguese experts. In the Soaraway Sun, you feel there can be only one winner
Portuguese police “believed they found tiny specks of blood on an armchair and wall. They became convinced the specks were from four-year-old Madeleine”. So did the Mail, which at the time produced: “BLOOD ON THE WALL IN MADDY BEDROOM”
But now it emerges the specs “were so contaminated they could not even be identified as blood”. And this led to a row. A heated debate
Says a source: “The Portuguese arrived demanding ‘Where are our results?’” – So rude. Not at all British
“BODYFINDER DRAWS BLANK” – Disappointing news for those pinning your hopes on Danie Krugel – aka The Locator - finding Madeleine McCann. His Matter Orientation System uses GPS technology and DNA samples. The McCanns gave him a hair from their daughter’s head. He went to work. But – shock of shocks -nothing. “I have done my best,” says Krugel
British police may care to reconsider their orders
DAILY TELEGRAPH front page: “MADELEINE – PORTUGUESE POLICE ACCUSED IN DNA FIASCO”
Page 17: “Madeleine police ‘angry at DNA blunder claim” – Portuguese police are “furious” at being called “amateurish” by officials at the UK’s Forensic Science Service
There are “angry scenes”. A source says the Portuguese were “unhappy”
The tests feature microscopic spots of blood found at the Ocean Club apartment where Madeleine had been staying, bodily fluids and hair from the Renault Scenic hire car
DAILY MAIL page 41: “Maddie forensic experts clash with ‘unprofessional’ Portuguese”
“Portuguese police investigating Madeleine McCann’s disappearance are said to be furious after British scientists criticised the ‘unprofessional’ way in which they had collected forensic evidence. The Portuguese arrived with the attitude of, ‘OK, where are the findings we need?’
“The Forensic Science Service basically said there weren’t any and made it clear things could have been collected more professionally. That doesn’t mean there was a lot of evidence they failed to collect but what evidence there is was collected in a very amateurish way. The Portuguese took this badly. They were unhappy because there was implicit criticism of how they collected the evidence. There was a heated exchange of views”
DAILY STAR page 20: “Maddie parent’s in D-Day”
Can this be E-Day, or in keeping with the Star’s central news plank, DD-Day
Home Secretary Jacqui Smith will read the letters sent by the Portuguese prosecutor requesting interviews with the McCanns and reply. She should not reply by post for obvious reasons
THE INDEPENDENT, THE GUARDIAN and THE TIMES: No Madeleine news today
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December 7th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
CCTV
Most likely would be in the reception area you had to pass through on the way to the Tapas bar.
Would show what time the McCanns really went to dinner May 3.
Would show what nights they were at the bar at all–or went downtown instead.
Would show how often they went back to their apartments.
Would show if O’Brian changed his clothes before going back to Tapas after seeing his daughter.
December 7th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
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Noone
I think I’ve looked at all angles. What are you suggesting?
December 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Have you lot ever hit on the fact, Jerry and Kate may have had some private undercover
security that went wrong.
Read my back post, (A good Spooks episode)
December 7th, 2007 at 10:39 am
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Hideki,
I’m not Châtelaine, if that’s what you thought. I’ve been reading kidnapping.be for coverage of the Ylenia Lenhard case. Once I thought there was a link with Madeleine.
December 7th, 2007 at 8:19 am
By “explosive” did you mean the report that various CCTV cameras were operating at Mark Warner, and that the McCanns had been deliberately led to believe that they were not operating?
I’m curious about the locaton of these CCTV cameras. Are they all identified with signs clearly indicating that there is a camera operating, or are they operating without any notice given to passersby.
Below are the relevant posts from yesterday’s thread.
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Rosemary Says:
It is being reported that the Ocean Club CCTV cams were working:
http://www.kidnapping.be/maddie/maddie.html
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Peter O Says:
Cheeky request possibly…. Can you translate the relevant part please?
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Rosemary Says:
1169 Peter O
This is the claim about the cameras:
“la PJ possède des enregistrements liés à certaines caméras. Depuis longtemps la PJ laisse entendre que les caméras de l’Océan Club étaient en panne - ou, du moins, ne fonctionnaient pas. Or nous sommes en mesure de vous dire que c’est inexact. Certaines caméras fonctionnaient parfaitement et tout fut enregistré.”
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The PJ has recordings from certain cameras. For a long time the PJ has allowed it to be understood that the Ocean Club cameras were broken, or at least not working. We are in a position to say that is incorrect. Certain cameras were working perfectly and everything was recorded.
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So if this is true, the timelines will be confirmed, or not.
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Bishop Brennan Says:
1169 - Translation of the Text
You don’t see so-and-so carrying a child, or so-and-so going into the appartment, or even leaving the apartment. Neither do you see Gerry carrying the dead body of his daughter. So what do you see? Well, the better question is really - what don’t you see? You don’t see certain people passing by the spots that they claim in their interviews. You don’t see the friends or parents getting up every half hour to check on the children. We can only conclude that the parents and some of their friends have made false statements. We are now beyond the point of simple contradictions. It becomes much clearer why the police are suspicious…
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Peter O Says:
Hmm.. interesting… I wonder if the “source” is reliable? Thank you for the translation.
December 7th, 2007 at 7:39 am
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Meejician Says:
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Châtelaine
“You had a reaction from me last night, as you posted something explosive, which many people missed.”
What was it?
December 7th, 2007 at 7:12 am
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hannasus Says:
“On Transfatty someone kept posting about this case and the link to the Belgium Pedophile ring. And how the cabal involved controls media and policing.”
Could you (or anyone) provide a link(s) regarding information concerning this Belgian ring and/or supposed connection to this case?
December 7th, 2007 at 6:11 am
4, McCanns have disappeared. And at the same time have severed connections with Hanover. And Sky has downgraded its coverage. This is the kind of media blackout we expect if the endgame has started.
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According to a Sky official on TV yesterday, they downgraded the story because nothing new was happening and didn’t consider it worthy of keeping as a “banner” . In other words , it is no longer news enough and they are probably as heartily sick of the hashing and re-hashing of the plot as everyone except the tabloids, now is.
December 7th, 2007 at 5:15 am
Good morning all.
Sun is already baking, birds singing, coffee brewing.
That is the good news.
The bad news is that Jaqui Smith might block the questioning.
Suggest you look at Transfattyacid and Gazetta Digitale.
On Transfatty someone kept posting about this case and the link to the Belgium Pedophile ring. And how the cabal involved controls media and policing.
The end comment is “it would be a surprise to see how many parents have sold their children”.
Whilst wishing to believe that this is a flaky loon, we have all questioned the protection afforded to this couple.
There would be many big fish involved here.
Are there any British leaders willing to take on the Cabal.
Or is it once again going to be the people who take back the power from the muck eating slime that lead us.
Okay, going to get the coffee now.
December 7th, 2007 at 5:00 am
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LOL Says:
565 Stevo
“And if the PJ as you say instantly suspected the parents then why did they not seal off the apartment asap”
This is an interesting question. This so-called “sealing off of the apartment”, as I pointed out previously, would have meant immediately denying the McCanns access to either the apartment or to their belongings. Why did the police allow the McCanns to touch belongings , and indeed to REMOVE belongings (such as the death smell Cuddly Cat)?
The McCanns should not even have had access to the clothes they were wearing — they should have been given a reasonable change of clothes and the police should have “sealed” those that they were wearing.
Of course, had the police truly “sealed off” everything in this way, the McCanns would have been complaining loudly about ill treatment.
I’d say there are 3 possible reasons for the police behavior:
1) negligence of the police; they did not follow proper protocol
2) proper protocol did not allow them to treat the McCanns harshly (confiscating clothes, denying access to apartment and belongings, etc)
3) they had other motives for making the McCanns feel as if they were not suspected of anything
If it is (3), then that would indicate the police were confident that they would (on balance) obtain more evidence by giving the McCanns free access. Even had they made up excuses for denying access, it is likely the McCanns would consider that they were under surveillance.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:40 am
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Kris Says:
“So a few of you will appreciate that story, I’m sure.”
Your obsession with Stevo is a little disturbing, and I long ago grew tired of your constant stream of personal insults. Nothing funny about this latest insult. You should have been banned from this site very long ago for habitual attacks on Stevo and other posters.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:36 am
I have this strong feeling the story with the blood stained towl and the mobile phone conversation might be close to reality. With this hope of a change and soon to be development I close the day and say good night folks.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:20 am
But do we know the PJ have permission from their POwers that Be to interrogate the McCs and the Friends one more time? Weren’t they turned down the last time? So what could have changed between now and then, if not the forensics?
December 7th, 2007 at 4:18 am
but anyway, I haven’t had enough wine to sit here for much longer. And so, goodnight, and sleep well, and someone ring us up if the McCanns get arrested.
Off to check on my little jackass…
December 7th, 2007 at 4:15 am
We have this new puppy I picked up on the roadside yesterday after it was hit by a car — a stray I’d seen around for a few months… Poor pup might lose its leg. I think we’re going to keep him– he’s soooo very sweet.
So we are thinking of naming it STEVO. I can’t remember why but my stepson said, “Isn’t Stevo a Jackass?” and I could not for the life of me explain why I was laughing so hard. But I guess Stevo was one of the guys on Jackass The Movie (where those guys run around doing stupid shit like jumping off of car hoods while the car is moving just to prove they aren’t going to die).
So a few of you will appreciate that story, I’m sure.
December 7th, 2007 at 4:08 am
1374- Whassaname. Sorry to hear about your splinters from sitting on the fence. Heck, I’ve got rug burn from sliding back and forth, myself.
So it’s been about 48 hours since I visited Anorak or read a SINGLE WORD about Madeleine. Has anything happened? Looks like not.
Here’s what I wonder– why exactly do we care??? I mean, I’m sorry for Madeleine, but there are a lot of missing kids out there, and kids living in horrible abusive neglectful situations who we might go spend an hour a day with proving we care (rather than, for instance, spending 4-5 hours a day on Anorak blathering on about Madeleine?). I say: Let’s stop this silliness, leave the McCanns to their Clarence, pray the PJ put them away (IF they are guilty, of course) and walk away!!!
December 7th, 2007 at 2:31 am
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Totje Says:
totje i hope your toothache settles soon, root canal treatment is not pleasant.
December 7th, 2007 at 2:26 am
1356 — Brandon — GMcCann’s blog: “…a mass for Madeleine. It was organised by ex-colleagues of Kate’s aunt who work in the East Midlands and took place in a small intimate chapel and was attended by 20 people…”
Wow, have things changed for Kate and Gerry McCann! First, “colleagues of Kate’s aunt” organised the Mass for Madeleine. Sounds like a couple of Kate’s aunt’s friends put this together as a favor or kindness to Kate’s aunt. Second, only 20 people attended this Mass. Gone are the days when the McCanns were treated like celebrities, and I don’t think this dropoff in support can be attributed solely to the human tendancy to tire of any subject. Clearly, the general public is much more skeptical about the McCanns than they were even a month or so ago. Pretty soon, Gerry will be blogging about Masses for Madeleine that are attended by three or four people.
Oh, and another thing: I don’t believe the twins “miss” Madeleine. They were barely beyond being babies when Madeleine disappeared. People I know who have endured family tragedies find solace in the fact the their children who are younger than two years old do not understand what has happened. Surely, Gerry McCann knows the twins are oblivious, so why does he lie?
December 7th, 2007 at 2:18 am
1232 Marie Nicholas,
(toothache is preventing me to sleep and you’re english is fine)
sorry, allmost nobody noticed your very sensible and positive post. I hope you’ll forgive us. Please return and discuss.
Bye.
December 7th, 2007 at 1:45 am
Only on for a min and have to go - Garth have eaten
December 7th, 2007 at 1:43 am
960
Garth Says:
Garth
December 6th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
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Ariel Says:
December 6th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Bye all gotta eat
LOL
Que? Have I missed something? I could go off you!!
December 7th, 2007 at 1:33 am
If I can’t be the 1st I’m going to be the last! - again?
December 7th, 2007 at 1:15 am
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brandon flours Says
1374
“or his mummy and daddy”
Oh, yes! The penny’s just dropped. Another reason why I can’t keep up with you lot! Good laugh before I go to bed. :biggrin:
December 7th, 2007 at 1:08 am
1374
or his mummy and daddy
December 7th, 2007 at 1:03 am
night brandon flours,
bed time for me too. I’ll take a drink to soothe the toothache.
See you tomorrow.
December 7th, 2007 at 1:02 am
night Peter O
December 7th, 2007 at 1:02 am
767 Garth
“611 Whassaname
“looks like old news regurgitated
show the pj ain’t as dim as McConnSpin make out though
smart move pj ”
Ah come on………..your jokes are getting desperate. A bit like the rest of the comments on here. lol lol lol I love it!
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Careful how you edit people’s stuff, Garth - don’t be so sloppy. You quoted me as saying something that I didn’t. Revisit 611 and 757. I’m my own person, even if I don’t say much. The reason I don’t say much is I’m too busy catching up on posts, trying not to repeat stuff, checking out sources, getting distracted by links, reflecting on all this and getting on with the rest of my life. However, Ade may have a point.
I’ve got splinters in my backside from sitting on the fence. At one time, apparently, Private Eye was saying sorry to the PJ one week and sorry to the McCs the next - I feel in good company! Except I’m not being sued to kingdom come - yet.
You’ll probably be bye-byes by the time this goes on line. Sleep tight, hope the bed bugs don’t bite!
December 7th, 2007 at 1:02 am
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Châtelaine, aha, “à la campagne” now I understand. Yes it’s also very hard to understand what they’re saying isn’t it. At least for me it is.
Night night
December 7th, 2007 at 1:01 am
totje
so do you think their escapade was to holland?
a secret visit to her and her paid abductors?
December 7th, 2007 at 1:00 am
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Fair, yes it’s weird isn’t it? Their kids too jump from dutch to english without any trouble at all.
December 7th, 2007 at 12:59 am
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Peter O Says:
December 7th, 2007 at 12:50 am
“My wife has a marketing and media background and they, especially the design folks, tend to be passionate in their defence of their Apple/Mac’s. ”
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Last one: any creative person will stick to his/her iMAC!