Madeleine McCann: Paul Gordon Sees, Clarence Mitchell Knows And A Circus
MADDYWATCH – Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
SUNDAY PEOPLE: “New witness was worried by the creeps lurking near apartment.. just 5 days later Maddie had vanished”
“Paul Gordon said he was worried the dodgy-looking people had no business to be at the Portuguese complex”
Which means: “His shock evidence could mean child-snatchers had been staking out the complex before four-year-old Maddie’s family even arrived there”
Or not…
DAILY STAR: “PARENTS HAVE ‘NOTHING TO HIDE’”
So says…the McCanns’ spokesman Clarence Mitchell: “At the end of the day the police won’t have enough evidence to prosecute Gerry and Kate because they were not involved in Madeleine’s disappearance in any shape or form”
THE TIMES: “My smashing idea for the circus,” by Ron Liddle
“Staggering somewhat bleary-eyed into the living room on the morning of January 1, 2008, I switched on the television to see what was new with the world. And lo, there were Kate and Gerry McCann staring out at me from BBC News 24. I watched for a few minutes trying to work out if there had been some crucial development in the case that I had missed, but it seemed not. Nothing whatsoever had happened, in fact. Like everyone else, I pray that Madeleine McCann will be found safe and well and that, in the meantime, the whole ghastly soap opera ceases to be the media’s preeminent obsession”
Thus producing more McCann coverage in the Times
THE STAR (South Africa): “Missing kids crisis”
“One child disappears every six hours in South Africa – 110 a month last year until the end of November… Statistics point to 80 percent of missing children being runaways, with 15 percent getting lost. The balance are allegedly abducted… In 2007, murdered South African children included Sheldean Human (7) of Pretoria, Mikayla Rossouw (6) of Swellendam, Annestacia Wiese (11) of Mitchells Plain and Sonja Brown (2) of Rawsonville. Internationally, the world was gripped by the disappearance of British toddler Madeleine McCann (3) from a Portuguese flat”
Madeleine McCann – the story so far
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December 6th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
don’t forget madeleine mcann to them is la petite lets hope the strangers in madeleines life have heart attacks and daddy cant fix it they die kinda like in the la petite circus retired elephant in france was accused of. i can imagine wanting to see my dad bad enough to wish the strangers to have heart prob;ems so they have to see daddy
December 6th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
anybody went to france or amsterdam and said they were looking for la petite and the other 2 kids i dont remember their names and the man and womans i dont remember theirs either but heres apicture of the two and put that sketch in color whip out a photo from the wallet and ask about the station wagon tell em they talked to you about the circus?
January 7th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Bye All
January 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
[quote="scarf1"]Lirpaloof
Kindly explain how Joe Public and “justice seekers” have jeopardised the chances of this case ever coming to court (if that is what you meant by your previous post)?
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Read my posts elsewhere but the feeling throughout Portugal now is that the government should stop spending money on this case , I wanted to see justice and I am disgusted that people in the UK did not get behind the PJ.
A case that no longer matters to Portugal as the outcome whatever as far as Portoguese people are concerned (mostly) is that The McCanns were guilty anyway of child neglect , The PJ are respected for thier stance on the McCanns neglecting thier children .
As far as the majority of Portugal is concerned (at least what Ive heard and seen in The Algarve) there is no point in persuing this for a country that has shown themselves to be both racist and xenophobic towards them.
So to answer your question a lot of “justice Seekers” here and UK Joe Public chose to believe the UK tabloids and condemn the PJ as useless and wasting time / missing evidence / fat alchoholics who flick ill gotten cuban cigar ash on crime scenes etc etc etc.
This did not go unnoticed by Portugal , did you really expect it to be ! and why should they help bring justice about at internal cost / man hours when even the UK people that said they wanted justice / charges were discussing openly how bad PJ were instead of supporting the only people that were actually doing something.
Once the PJ said that evidence proved Maddie to be dead but they would abide by thier countries law and not release details instead of people in the UK respecting this and awaiting the final outcome they were once again called stupid and sloaths.
Portugal investigaters could not win and if this xenophobia and racism carried on it would just have damaged them more .
For Portugal it is now really just an external matter , the McCanns left and a new holiday season will start in 2008 , the McCanns will remain under suspician .
The justice seekers will still want to see justice when the only people able to bring about justice will have wiped thier hands of this sorry saga due to the hatred towards them
The paradox is that those that wanted charges should have got behind the PJ instead they didnt they ridiculed them effectively alienating the only people that were concerned in bringing about a trial.
The real stinger in the tail is that without charges or a trial the UK may never know the true details of “any evidence” for 15 years .
Most people in The Algarve that have been following have seen the xenophobia from these pages and elsewhere from supposedly even the people who WANT to see justice and now feel they cannot win.
No point in throwing any more Portugal taxes at a UK problem when Portugal is seen as low life by the UK its winding down and without the PJ there really is no case .
Should have got behind PJ and also discussed the real issues here rather than stupid conspiracy ideas but I feel its too late now , most Portuguese feel betrayed by the UK people.
Like jon benet ramsey without the PJ the UK will still be saying did they didnt they in 15 years time
January 7th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
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Sledgehammer Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
There are no fake photo’s, there are no pending charges, there is no conclusive evidence, but someone or some people know what transpired that night, the question is whom. I remember an old saying if three people no something it is not a secret, if this is a conspiracy of silence it is the greatest ever, even better than Omerta. So for me no conspiracy, it might help if the Police would make up their mind, what sort of crime has been committed, personally I don’t think they have a clue.
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Poor Sledge, you should try Adult Literacy classes instead of straining your poor brain wondering what evidence the Police might have to surprise you!
January 7th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
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Sledgehammer Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 11:17 pm
http://www.mccannfiles.com
Slegehammer’s latest tactic appears to be an attempt to bore bloggers into submission. Wasted effort, Sledge, we merely scroll past your inconsistent ramblings.
January 7th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
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Ian Says
January 6th 2008 at 11.02 pm
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As I didn’t see your post until the next day, I don’t know whether you will see this reply on an old forum. (At this point my post disappeared, but reappeared printed as an incomplete post, with the information that it was in moderation!).
I would be amused, but for the fact that earlier today I tried to post my views on a question asked by Anorak: Is it wrong to view child pornography? I thought I had made by views very clear in an unambiguous and, to me, inoffensive way, by find these comments also ‘Await Moderation’. If I should find my opinions on the subject are deemed unacceptable, I should then become seriously worried about the powers of the Mods. Until then I have found them to be reasonable, and hope that will continue to be the case.
I agree the number of pro-McCanners has dramatically increased, and their tactics are to make crass attemtps at being subtle by diverting discussion off topic, being ridiculously sentimental or rude, aggresive and even martyr like! As you say, altogether more insidious.
It’s easy to ignore the rude or aggressive infiltrators as how can one take issue with those for whom one has no respect? As for the others, it give the antis an opportunity to reiterate some of the more startling truths, which the pros hope will be buried and forgotten over the course of time, if they can provide sufficient diversions. It seems they now want to extend their mischief onto forums in France and Portugal! I don’t think bloggers in general are as disingenuous as they would hope.
I have read most postings since I joined the Anorak forum, and I hadn’t perceived any pattern of hostility between you and Will. He always struck me as a very laid back poster and in no way vindictive. We all have our own perceptions but I do think it’s unwise to puruse pointless disputes indefinitely as that’s what drives away the more astute posters. I hope you will remain on the forum and the more interesting posters will continue to contribute.
I may make the attemtp to copy this over to the most recent forum, if it allows me to do so and I don’t need to go into moderation again!
January 7th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
So sorry, was checking this thread because of my reply to Cheryl in the other thread, and posted the “Lulu come back” post, just by accident in the wrong thread…
January 7th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
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Ian Says
January 6th 2008 at 11.02 pm
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As I didn’t see your post until the next day, I don’t know whether you will see this reply on an old foru
January 7th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
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rockhopper said : “Where’s Lulu, I want Lulu”
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Me too, me too! I’ve asked before to her: please return darling. And give me a clue!
January 7th, 2008 at 11:38 am
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Remigius Says:
January 6th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
915 chenier
You wrote: “Doctors are particularly vulnerable on the negligent abuse of children.”
But they are WAY more vulnerable on the INTENTIONAL abuse of children.
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Well, that’s pretty obvious.
I was, however, citing the judgement of Bingham about the right of a professional body to suspend or strike off the register someone who has failed to meet professional standards.
I do suggest that you try reading the judgement…
January 7th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Pam
No one knows what happened – obviously.
But if there’s a mystery, everyone is a suspect.
If the McCanns killed Madeleine accidentally then there would be 2 motivations for a cover-up, to save their careers or to save themselves from looking like bad parents (and we know they can’t stand to be perceived as bad parents).
Murat might have done it.
Some other person might have done it.
January 7th, 2008 at 7:14 am
Kris
I never sleep.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:26 am
I dont come on here often and yes I am a Mccann supporter, what I would like is some answers from anti-Mccanns. I will say I cannot understand or imagine how they could have left their children alone in an unlocked room that night.
BUT 1. Why, if either of them accidentally killed her would they need to do such a major cover up? I could understand this if it was a straight out murder.
2. Do you think the reported sightings of a child being carried from the vacinity of Mccanns apartment are made up?
3. Theres many reported sightings of Murat in the area, are these sightings made up to? Now theres a friend who admitted he lied in Murats defence!
4. Why have the police not made an arrest after 8 mths? They obviously dont have proof!
5. Why after 8 mths would the Mccanns bother to spend more of the fund money, (that they are supposedly scamming), to start new campaigns, when they could have got away with letting things die down by now?
These are just a few of the many questions that as a pro Mccann, I would like to hear straight out answers to. It seems the Mccanns are just doing everything they can to find out what happened to their daughter or where she might be, and please no abusive replies.
Administrator:: All relevant and cogent questions Pam but I will issue a warning here. Full replies to these questions may lay the respondent open to criminal libel charges. If you are to reply choose your phrasing very carefully.-agw
January 7th, 2008 at 5:26 am
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coco Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 3:29 am
McCs not moving out of their house just yet but as things are hotting up there is mucho to-ing and fro-ing, Not many telephone calls going in and out the house but sh*t-loads of paperwork being taken to the house and being read, re-read, re-read and ‘changed’ and ‘changed’ back and ultimately certain lawyers will not be putting their reputations on the line.
Devon is a place that we will hear more about in the near future.
Does anybody know how many burials, cremationas took place around the time of the alleged abduction. I cannot personally find this out without leaving fingerprints. Thanks.
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Coco, they certainly can’t be planning on fleeing the country that is for certain. I’m quite certain with the ‘decision day’ nearing the lawyers are drawing up papers to cover all bases in all aspects just in case of this or that (if you know what I mean) and sending them for review and comments, back to the lawyers with comments, lawyers resending revised ones back to them. I shudder to think of the midnight oil being burnt the next days or weeks by lawyers and their staff. I can only imagine the legal fees being racked up right now!
Do you think I’d trust using any telephone right now – guilty or innocent? I wouldn’t even trust a carrier pidgeon to fly messages back and forth safely!
As the old saying goes ‘it isn’t over until the fat woman sings’ and I’m not real sure she is standing behind the curtains waiting to go on stage just yet.
January 7th, 2008 at 4:55 am
1209 et al:
News just in via Correio da Manhã
Final analysis of blood in both the hire car and the McScamm’s apartment now confirmed as Madeleine’s, with nil scope for confusion between the genetic profiles of Madeleine and her twin siblings….
January 7th, 2008 at 4:49 am
Wow, reading through real quick, looks like 1200 posts of nothing but bickering. Yet, may I compliment the Establishment on the banishment of the Hidekis. What a relief! By comparison, I’m downright fond of Stevo.
So is there any indication the PJ is any closer to arresting the McCs??? I think I’ll go away for another whole week and hope something happens.
January 7th, 2008 at 4:43 am
Big advertisements in teh Wall Street Journal over the holiday season from a group of Muslims wishing peace and prosperity to their Christian brothers in the USA… Really touching, I thought. Just like most Christians aren’t wacked-out evangelical extremists who bomb abortion clinics in their spare time, most Muslims aren’t on jihad against the West. But unfortunately, there are quite a few extremists on both sides. Still, the ads in the WSJ were touching, I thought.
Good evening, Karen, but shouldn’t you go get some SLEEP??
January 7th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Goodness, 1200 posts today– was there some kind of NEWS in the McCann department?
January 7th, 2008 at 4:32 am
On the Islamic issue – there are some followers of Islam that do and say violent, bigoted things, Sharia law is awful and the Middle-East is a human rights disaster zone – but insulting, scaring and excluding every Muslim in the country is not only a horrible thing to do, it’s hypocritical and counter-productive.
January 7th, 2008 at 4:13 am
Sledgehammer and Soothsayer are the one person.
And Eric really didn’t contribute anything to the forum
January 7th, 2008 at 4:10 am
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RedRooster Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 1:28 am
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Cheryl Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 1:23 am
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well said cheryl but you do realise the mc’s are guilty dont you
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Listen my fine feathered friend – I absolutely know beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind they are guilty of Neglect by my standards on how one protects and takes care of wee ones. One reads in the paper all the time around here of Neglect cases – children left home alone and burn to death in a fire at the home or apt.; babies found dead in the slum areas from starvation as their parents are spaced out on drugs; every so often you read of a case a y0ung sibling finds the parent’s gun (people have hand guns here (I think should be outlawed but…ones right under the law)) plays with it and shots the other young sibling when left alone; oh, the cases are endless my fff! Do you know they actually offer free parenting courses in the county I live in for those who care to attend? Not just for the young kids too young to have a baby but do; but classes also for mature parents who may be having problems with handling their children. The police station near me actually has posted the law for all to read at what age a child can be left alone and for how long broken down for each age.
But hells bells, it doesn’t take parenting courses nor even laws posted for a person to know you can’t leave wee ones alone by themselves while you go out to dinner.
January 7th, 2008 at 3:41 am
Does anybody know how many burials, cremationas took place around the time of the alleged abduction.
Coco, I should. Regrettably however, I don’t.
Can you please expand on your last few posts?
Many thanks.
EQG
January 7th, 2008 at 3:29 am
McCs not moving out of their house just yet but as things are hotting up there is mucho to-ing and fro-ing, Not many telephone calls going in and out the house but sh*t-loads of paperwork being taken to the house and being read, re-read, re-read and ‘changed’ and ‘changed’ back and ultimately certain lawyers will not be putting their reputations on the line.
Devon is a place that we will hear more about in the near future.
Does anybody know how many burials, cremationas took place around the time of the alleged abduction. I cannot personally find this out without leaving fingerprints. Thanks.
January 7th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Hi Sledgehammer!
Bin it but remember it. I advised on the last page of the last thread last night that this particular story would hit out but I never dreamed it would have been today.
The Daily Star wants to be one of the first of the back-trackers – and for very good reasons. I would print more but due to my job I have to be very careful at the moment. It’s just that last night I felt a moral need within myself to say something. I very rarely comment on this site, which you will know as a regular reader but CM is off his box with ‘anxiety’ at the moment
lol and I thought you should all know this.
January 7th, 2008 at 3:06 am
Daily Star, well that is one story we can safely bin.
January 7th, 2008 at 2:55 am
Jolie:
Jolly well said. As the dawn breaks after this shadowy netherworldly state of affairs there is gonna be mucho eggo on face. Watch the press back-track in a couple of weeks lol
January 7th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Totje
Thanks. Caught some close-to-source snippets over the weekend and commented in the last thread and thought I would comment because I know it’s all giving CM proper headaches this week. No police are taking back-handers for leaks at the moment – so be sure that I am not printing rubbish. I just hope that certain people are put on suicide watch lol!
I genuinely did not expect the Daily Star to go to print on this one coz they are really sticking their necks out. I believethat they will not be ’sued’ by CM coz he knows what they know and any editorial agencies have not got a leg to stand on at the moment coz people who are at the top of the food chain are sharpening their knives and rinsing their fingers lol
Shipman, Fred West – in fact anybody with such narcissitic tendencies cannot be seen to have made behavioural mistakes in public – and if I ever noticed a more sociopathic-acting couple I cannot remember lol
January 7th, 2008 at 2:32 am
Another day of bickering like this on the site and I may be cured of my Anorak addiction and stop having to read all the posts. Ow, my head hurts from reading all the nonsense.
Let’s hope greater good sense and self-control return tomorrow. Remember, if you don’t have anything worthwhile posting, it’s okay not to post! It would be a relief to have a few hundred well-written and thoughtful posts than 1,000+ mostly composed of crapola (IMHO, anyway).
And Dr. Watson (or whoever you are), I don’t think it is appropriate to threaten ‘outing’ any poster here on Anorak. You don’t have the right to do that. If you have a grievance, take it up with Mods and Admin if you can’t handle it in a mature fashion yourself.
January 7th, 2008 at 2:28 am
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Totje Says:
January 7th, 2008 at 2:20 am
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nite nite
January 7th, 2008 at 2:20 am
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coco, thanks. I feel like I can’t think straight anymore. GMT+1 and work tomorrow. So at lunchtime or in the evening [in case it's necessary] I’ll read it.
Bye all, be careful, close the doors and windows [which reminds me....] Sleep well.