Madeleine McCann: Alipio Ribeiro’s Police Acted In Haste
MADDYWATCH - Anorak’s at-a-glance guide to press coverage of Madeleine McCann
Alipio Ribeiro, head of the Policia Judiciaria, is in interview with Portugal’s Radio Renascenca.
He says said there was a “certain hastiness” in making the McCanns suspects.
Says the McCanns’ spokesman, Clarence Mitchell: “Now the national director of the Policia Judiciaria apparently accepts they should not have been made arguido, it follows that there is no case for Kate and Gerry to answer”
Is that what he said? Or did Mr Ribeiro say they police might have acted with a “certain hastiness”? Is something being lost in translation?
Says Mr Mitchell: “”As I have consistently said, Kate and Gerry are entirely innocent of any involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine.”
He goes on:
“If the Portuguese police, under Mr Ribeiro, now do the only proper thing by eliminating Kate and Gerry from their inquiry, they and our own investigators can work together rapidly and effectively to find Madeleine and to bring those responsible for her abduction to justice.”
And the arguido status is intended as a kind of protection, giving those involved in investigations more rights than witnesses.
DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Police ‘haste’ in making McCanns suspects”
Says Alipio Ribeiro, “perhaps should have been another assessment” before Kate and Gerry McCann were declared “arguidos”
Says Clarence Mitchell: “What has been lacking so far is formal liaison with the police. If Kate and Gerry are no longer arguidos perhaps there will be better co-ordination, and the police and our investigators can act rapidly to find Madeleine”
But they are arguidos
HELIUM: “Thinking The Unthinkable: Did Madeleine McCann’s parents kill her?”
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February 3rd, 2008 at 11:06 am
Increasingly Incredulous,
Yes leaping through the same leap of faith you had in their innocence when DNA was found.
Why don’t you go and play with people that you can pray together with and worship together. People who actually want to play with you.
You are not engaging, or entertaining and although I have never responded before, this time the impulse got the best of me.
Really being a minority in such an issue cannot be good for your health.
I can call my interest in this case unhealthily intense. I could say that it was justifiable by wanting justice for Madeleine. This just does not make sense at the end of the day so in truth then my reason for being here is curiosity. What is yours?
February 3rd, 2008 at 10:59 am
LaMysty,
Thanks I got there but upon trying to enter a debate it went no further, but I will persist.
I have just got it Alipio Ribeiro is spinning Clarrie. And I think it is going to be recognized to be the most brilliant spin ever, but not just yet.
February 3rd, 2008 at 10:28 am
“They already had them !!! I think it may have been mainly that they could have persisted with the questioning and silence would not have been acceptable.”
Except, of course, for the questioning to be subsequently admissable in court, they’d have to be under the equivalent status to “under caution” - which is - guess what - Arguido….
To see the mental gymnastics on here, as the Anti-Mcann brigade jump through hoops to try to pretend that the PJ case is still on the rails is hilarious.
What, instead, you should be looking at is the way that Ribeiro is distancing himself from this decision - which rather suspects he knows that this is going tit-up, and is going to try to pin it on a subordinate.
February 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 am
106
hannasus
Yes i’m in there now. try this :
http://oxymoran.blogspot.com/
then click on want to debate on left.
February 3rd, 2008 at 8:39 am
shoperooo
For example this post by Roisin on Mirror forum. This is an example of what some people are thinking.
“Gerry’s position defending the government line (that there are no health risks to communities near nuclear reactors) is KEY to the government interference in the Madeleine McCann Fake Abduction.”
The McCanns have had help from the government and help from Bell Pottinger. BP’s client is Mark Warner Holidays, not the McCanns. The government would have even less reason to step in and defend the McCanns in a criminal case.
The government may be reacting due to the nuclear issue, or to the danger of classified information leaking. Bell Pottinger has ties to the government, but also has the interests of specific clients, such as Mark Warner, AstraZeneca, etc to think about.
Many have pointed out that Clarence Mitchell does not seem to be making the McCanns look innocent.
Draw your own conclusions.
I have drawn my own conclusions and applied a big heap of salt as opposed to the usual pinch. This is a conspiracy theory too far. Re Clarence Mitchell are you implying he is actually trying to help the PJ, SORRY I’m lost now. I do not deny the McCanns capitilised on their connections but lets keep things real.
February 3rd, 2008 at 7:49 am
LaMisty,
I have seen that link to oxymoran on Gazetta Digital as well but when I click on it it says page not found.
Have you managed to access it lately?
Chenier,
Welcome back. After all the treatment you are having I do hope you are taking a very simple herb called Horsetail or Equisetum Avense. Excellent for removing heavy metals and poisons from the body. Just felt the need to suggest it. Apologies for intruding.
February 3rd, 2008 at 7:39 am
The McCanns should sack that man….he’s doing them more harm than good…not that i care
http://oxymoran.forumco.com/
February 3rd, 2008 at 7:19 am
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Brit Abroad Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 12:20 am
HMMM! Big Brother or what?
I left a comment on Mirror.co.uk report of this item pointing out that the ‘arguido status’ gives a person the ‘right to remain silent’ and so this might be what Alipio Ribeiro was referring to when he said ‘hastily’…..
Now I can find neither the news article NOR my comment on Mirror.co.uk site!!!
Has the report been removed or is it just not showing up temporarily???
Can anyone find it?
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All discussion even remotely related to the McCann case has been banned on the Mirror Forum. Any thread or post mentioning the case is deleted almost immediately. The poster is given one notice and then banned if he/she posts about the case again. There’s a sticky about it at the top of the site.
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 am
98 - Saturn says
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Re Last paragraph of post
Perhaps I’m not fully awake -but I can’t make sense of what you are saying here!
You start by saying you don’t believe Kate killed her daughter -
‘Kate could conceivably be convicted of killing the girl …….. Personally, I don’t think she did it.‘
You end by saying -
’she may not be guilty of accidentally killing the girl, but rather guilty of even worse than that’
What crime is greater than killing her daughter????
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 am
Off for a bit of early morning fishing, some posters on this board may find out that having a loose mouth, is no “fun fun fun” at all. What goes around comes around, as I would think they will find out, ridiculous theories of conspiracies and all. Justice for Madeleine.
February 3rd, 2008 at 4:01 am
The two counsellors were Alan Pike and Martin Alderton. Their backgrounds are provided in the company webpage, Centre for Crisis Psychology:
http://www.ccpdirect.co.uk/about-ccp/our-people.htm
Some interesting points are that Mark Warner sent these two counsellors for the purpose of tending to its staff. I’ve yet to see a precise number of Ocean Club Staff at that time. I saw the number 60 as combined “total staff and guests”.
Though this was the purpose of sending them, the media portrayed their mission as helping the McCanns. No mention of what the counsellors did for Mark Warner employees; only mention of some advice they gave to the McCanns. And some of that advice was relevant: they advised them to keep a diary, for example. Was the result of this advice Gerry’s daily blog, and Kate’s fateful diary?
The ” Centre for Crisis Psychology” is set up to help companies, and it is easy to see how they would want ties to PR powers like Bell Pottinger. On their People page, they even mention one counsellor being in charge of “Product Development”.
Alan Pike’s background has “Before joining CCP Alan worked as a social worker in Manchester from 1990 to 2004 in child protection with children from 0-16 years old and their families. His experience in trauma aftercare includes cases of domestic violence, child abuse, child death, and loss and bereavement following adoption.”
Martin Alderton’s background has “Before joining CCP Martin managed a Community Mental Health Team and coordinated a Local Authority’s Crisis Response Service. As well as providing clinical services Martin is a member of CCP’s management team and is responsible for Product Development. ”
These were the right guys to talk to Kate, no? But Kate is not an employee of Mark Warner Holiday, is she? Why exactly is her mental health a concern for Mark Warner and Bell Pottinger?
February 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 am
The previous article I cited does not name the “counsellor” who flew to the resort. In this article, two counsellors are said to have flown to the resort. They are not named. Their purpose is said to be to help employees cope.
http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2007/05/15/40592/tour-operator-mark-warner-offers-counselling-to-staff-at-madeleine-mccann-kidnap-resort-in-portugal.html
Tour operator Mark Warner offers counselling to staff at Madeleine McCann kidnap resort in Portugal
Tour operator Mark Warner has offered its employees the use of trained counsellors following the abduction of toddler Madeleine McCann from its Portuguese holiday complex.
The three-year-old disappeared from an apartment at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on 3 May. She is believed to have been taken from her bed while her parents were eating at a nearby restaurant on site.
Nigel Ragg, Mark Warner’s head of marketing, told Personnel Today’s sister publication Travel Weekly that the situation had been devastating for employees working both at the resort and in the UK.
“Quite a few of our people have been affected. All of us have become so wrapped up in [the situation]. I have been watching the news all day, every day,” he said.
Two counsellors and company directors have flown out to support resort staff, and another counsellor has spoken with head office staff in London.
“Our staff are doing a fantastic job,” said Ragg. “With something like this, everyone pulls together.”
The tour operator, which employs about 500 employees in the UK, has also been working closely with the police investigation, and supporting the McCann family during their ordeal in Portugal, he added.
In addition to its UK workforce, the company recruits 1,500 people each year to work in its resorts abroad.
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Question: Exactly how many staff were employed at Ocean Club Resort around May 3rd, 2007?
February 3rd, 2008 at 3:00 am
Answer to my previous question.
Mark Warner’s UK Operations Director Craig Mayhew
Managing director David Hopkins
http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1118050.php
Long weekend for Mark Warner staff
Staff at Mark Warner’s London office gave up their bank holiday weekend to man the office amid growing concern over the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine McCann, who went missing from the operator’s Ocean Club resort in Portugal on Thursday night.
Staff, including head of marketing Nigel Ragg, have been working round-the-clock since Madeleine was reported missing, liaising with the resort and dealing with media queries and operational issues.
Mark Warner managing director David Hopkins and operations director Craig Mayhew flew out to the resort in Praia da Luz on Friday, along with a counsellor who is liaising with the family.
Ragg told TravelMole: “It’s very difficult circumstances. We’ve had a core team of people involved over the weekend.
“Progress is slow and we are all very frustrated that, as time goes on, we feel helpless. “It’s hard to know what to do. We are doing all we can and trying to liaise with police and parents.
“One of the difficulties is getting information from the police as, understandably, they are very reluctant to release any information.
“Yesterday, Mrs McCann made an emotional plea to the abductors, so we are waiting and hoping for good news.”
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February 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 am
98 Saturn
Why would Kate be framed ? Can”t understand your thinking on that theory, or really why
MI5 would have an interest in this case.
I watched that Film Ziegeistmovie on my computer a while ago and that deals with all kinds
of things, Religion, conspiracies, Capitalism……it really is very interesting. I mentioned it
to Man on a Hill and he said he would order it from Amazon. I said he could watch it on his computer but now I can”t find it. Maybe I”ve got the spelling wrong, but you are obviously very good at finding stuff so if you can find it and post the right info I would be grateful.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 am
93
chenier Says:
In my view you deliberately omitted the date of the article, secure in the knowledge that most people will not follow the link.
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Actually, I assume people will read the article linked. That is why I provide the link.
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Just as you did for the Independent article written in 2002.
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And just as I did for articles printed in 2007 and 2008.
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Had you genuinely wished to discuss these issues on the facts then you would not hsve deceived us by omission.
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Thanks for your thoughtful opinion, relevant remarks, and kind words. When you have time, let me know in what way the date of the article affected the points I was making.
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February 3rd, 2008 at 2:34 am
94
val Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 am
90 Saturn
I remember reading somewhere that Gerry” Uncle? has a Rehab clinic in Scotland and APPARENTLY Tony Blair”s daughter was treated there , and that it was actually Tony who first contacted the Portugese regarding the McCanns.
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Yes, and living right next door to thies Rehab clinic is Stephen Winyard, 1 of 3 big financial contributors to the McCann defense that did not back off when they became suspects. (Winyard, Kennedy, and Branson).
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Makes sense if true, but everything is still speculation and maybe we will never know the truth.
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If MI5 has decided that the case must be suppressed, we will never know the truth, except maybe 50 years from now. But if government interference meets its objectives without need for suppression of the case, we might possibly learn the truth. Bell Pottinger is somewhat less formidable than MI5. all IMO.
Actually, Kate could conceivably be convicted of killing the girl, but we still never learn the full truth. Personally, I don’t think she did it. She is right about being framed. But certainly it is not the PJ framing her! Anyway, she may not be guilty of accidentally killing the girl, but rather guilty of even worse than that. all JMO.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 am
val Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 am
87 Chenier
Glad to know you are O.K., we were all worried about you but Carmen said she had your
e-mail address and would keep us informed, are you at home now?
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Yes, I am at home now, and feeling much better.
I reurned home from hospitsl to find my computer with no webconnection,i ’s taken a week to get it back and even then I’ve losing my email.
I must get some sleep, so night al…..
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:26 am
92 Chenier
Thanks for that, hope you don”t have a hangover tomorrow!
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 am
Question: who are Mark Warner Holiday’s managing director and UK operations director mentioned in the excerpt below? Why are they not named? Names are not important? As usual, Alex Woolfall is mentioned, but not Michael Frohlich, who was at the resort a week before May 3rd.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2093570,00.html
In Praia da Luz, meanwhile, the couple rapidly found themselves the beneficiaries of high-level media advice. The holiday firm Mark Warner reacted with admirable speed to the kidnap. By Saturday morning its managing director and UK operations director were in the resort, along with two trauma counsellors and Alex Woolfall, a PR specialist contracted by the firm. Woolfall, head of crisis management at leading PR agency Bell Pottinger, who advised Monsanto during the storm over GM food, would become for a fortnight the family’s adviser and press go-between. He is probably one of the people in Britain best placed to manage such a situation, and it showed.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:21 am
90 Saturn
I remember reading somewhere that Gerry” Uncle? has a Rehab clinic in Scotland and
APPARENTLY Tony Blair”s daughter was treated there , and that it was actually Tony
who first contacted the Portugese regarding the McCanns.
Makes sense if true, but everything is still speculation and maybe we will never know
the truth.
Agree with your findings on the National Health……but why did the Labour Party get
re-elected for a third Term? Probably because there was no viable alternative Leader at
the time.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:17 am
84
Saturn Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 am
81
chenier Says:
What Saturn fails to mention is that the article in question, from the Mirror, was written in June 2000, and has the headline:
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I provided the link, didn’t I? I did not mention the date in my post, because the date is not relevant to the points I am making. These sorts of connections existed then, and they exist now.
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In my view you deliberately omitted the date of the article, secure in the knowledge that most people will not follow the link.
Just as you did for the Independent article written in 2002.
Had you genuinely wished to discuss these issues on the facts then you would not hsve deceived us by omission.
You would have instead pointed out the dates of the articles and presented your arguments as to why you believed that they are currently relevant.
You did not do that..
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:11 am
Val
as you know redwood is that idiot who was set up by thatcher…the one that was minister for wales…..could not speak welsh but for a piss take did not know the anthem….anyway was very hipocritacle of mccanns however all his blogs removed…sorry for spellying went to comprihensiv and to much wine
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 am
87 Chenier
Glad to know you are O.K., we were all worried about you but Carmen said she had your
e-mail address and would keep us informed, are you at home now?
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:09 am
80
shoperooo
For example this post by Roisin on Mirror forum. This is an example of what some people are thinking.
“Gerry’s position defending the government line (that there are no health risks to communities near nuclear reactors) is KEY to the government interference in the Madeleine McCann Fake Abduction.”
The McCanns have had help from the government and help from Bell Pottinger. BP’s client is Mark Warner Holidays, not the McCanns. The government would have even less reason to step in and defend the McCanns in a criminal case.
The government may be reacting due to the nuclear issue, or to the danger of classified information leaking. Bell Pottinger has ties to the government, but also has the interests of specific clients, such as Mark Warner, AstraZeneca, etc to think about.
Many have pointed out that Clarence Mitchell does not seem to be making the McCanns look innocent.
Draw your own conclusions.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 am
lol chenier
dont always agree with what you say but welcome back
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 am
83 Clouseau
Hi there how are you?
O>K>, don”t keep us in suspense, what”s the gossip about John Redwood? My abiding
memory of him is trying to sing the Welsh National Anthem!!!!!!!!!
By the way, I”m on a high because Wales won today.
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 am
83
clouseau Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 am
folks..lots of talk on internet about john Redwood …..woosh clunk there gone…no smoke without fire
chenier you have been missed
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Thank you; I have missed anorak very much.
And I will virtuously refrain from googling on John Redwood..
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 am
82
Saturn Says:
February 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 am
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I see Saturn has provided us with another gem from the archives; this one from the Independent, published on 8 August 2002.
And there was me completely freaked out because I couldn’t access the articles being written today…
February 3rd, 2008 at 2:00 am
78 Shoperoo
Just watched for the first time the McCann interview and thought the Interviewer asked all
the right questions. When asked if they felt guilt, Kate”s “the worst thing we could be found guilty of is being naive” beggars belief. Had they in the beginning accepted responsibilty
the public w ould have warmed to them more. Gerry” assertion that it felt like “having an
overdraft at the bank” was “ludicrous.”
One thing puzzled me, why would they admit to having their Legal Team in place only 3
weeks after Madeleine was missing? Perhaps at that early stage they thought they could be
charged with negligence if Madeleine was not found soon do you think?
February 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 am
81
chenier Says:
What Saturn fails to mention is that the article in question, from the Mirror, was written in June 2000, and has the headline:
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I provided the link, didn’t I? I did not mention the date in my post, because the date is not relevant to the points I am making. These sorts of connections existed then, and they exist now.
February 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 am
folks..lots of talk on internet about john Redwood …..woosh clunk there gone…no smoke without fire
chenier you have been missed